New Carry-on Rules: Airlines
- Thread starter Papi Chulo
- Start date
Without our bottled water ...
In flight water definitely sucks ( maybe not in first class ) but in the name of safety, we just gotta do what we gotta do for now.
I sure hope they will offer some sort of arrangement with passengers with special needs or medical conditions though ( see Sasha Jones' post )
In flight water definitely sucks ( maybe not in first class ) but in the name of safety, we just gotta do what we gotta do for now.
I sure hope they will offer some sort of arrangement with passengers with special needs or medical conditions though ( see Sasha Jones' post )
Coming soon, TSA Approved water bottles with combo TSA approved locks. All water supplied by the US Government will have a secret chemical inside to manipulate the mind for the urge to have government FDA approved and TSA approved Viagra, Levitra and Cialis. Ths US National Guard will also ban swiming in all public areas. All water holes will be owned by Donald Trump with access fees or a forced showcase in a padded room of an Apprentice episode.
1. To make calls when you gotta wait for 2 to 3 hours prior to departuretboy said:
2. Apparently you haven't travel 24-hour flights (including stop-overs) too often.
3. They are too fragile to be checked in, have you seen the way any airports' baggage sorting systems? I have, it's scary.
4. I'm a photographer, see addendum 3. One of my lens cost me $8,000. When I travel, the bare minimum I carry is $10,000 worth of lenses and bodies. Maybe you are that rich so you're fine with risking $10,000 worth of equipment.
5. I must be very young compared to you, but for the past 31 years of travelling literally around the world, I've never encountered a situation where outside drinks and food are not allowed on board.
No way in hell would I ever check my electronics with the airline... as i've stated before there are WAY to many times that i've shown up at my final destination WITHOUT my luggage and i've had three different times where it never was found. Talk about a pain in the ass. So yea to check anything thats worth a large sum of money.. I think not.
1. To make calls when you gotta wait for 2 to 3 hours prior to departure
Ummm you're flying the wrong airlines if you are waiting 2 - 3 hrs IN THE PLANE prior to departure, the max you typically have to wait after checking your bags is about an hour....this is after taking hundreds of flights maybe twice I've waited more than a couple of hours prior to departure.....as for calls, every airport I've ever been in has this thing called a ...what is it? I think it is called a PAY PHONE.....and many even have a console phone that accepts calling cards....so your excuse is null and void my friend....
2. Apparently you haven't travel 24-hour flights (including stop-overs) too often.
And your point is...what exactly? that you can't live without your IPOD for more than 24 hrs? Man talk about being addicted to technology....the world revolved just fine before the mp3 was invented.....
3. They are too fragile to be checked in, have you seen the way any airports' baggage sorting systems? I have, it's scary.
Yes, and if I have valuable or fragile goods I send it through the airline's precious cargo/fragile special handling program....never ever ever have I had anything damaged and I've sent things that are a lot more fragile than a camera.......plus you had better buy a better case...if your case can't protect your equipment from "rough" handling.....if you're spent 10K on your equipment you should have spent 3K on the case.....For eg: I have/had 5 K worth of equipment and I spent 500 on the case...I did a test, I dead dropped it onto a hardwood floor with an egg inside and the egg didn't break and I've NEVER had anything damaged during transport and I've been pretty rough on the case....
Also, I am assuming that your equipment is of european or japanese make? There aren't too many companies that manufacture items in North America so your equipment was probably transported by ship, handled by forklifts, cranes, warehousemen, and maybe even a courier before it arrived safe and sound in your hands....so you trying to tell me that your case isn't as good as the styrofoam and cardboard box that it came in?
4. I'm a photographer, see addendum 3. One of my lens cost me $8,000. When I travel, the bare minimum I carry is $10,000 worth of lenses and bodies. Maybe you are that rich so you're fine with risking $10,000 worth of equipment.
Umm not rich, just have everything insured......and if you paid by credit card, you're probably insured already....When I was in the tradeshow biz I checked electronic items that were 10x more valuable and fragile than camera equipment packed in cheap case and I've never had anything lost or damaged...
5. I must be very young compared to you, but for the past 31 years of travelling literally around the world, I've never encountered a situation where outside drinks and food are not allowed on board.
Well, you have a short memory because I distinctly recall going to Dom Rep in 1994 and they made the guy in front of me get rid of his cocktail before boarding....and I think you are forgetting the annoucements stating that consumption of duty free and alcohol not purchased from the airline is prohibited....I also recall flying air canada in the 80's and them making me get rid of my coke before boarding.....
ANyway, bottom line is the airlines will have to adjust to adapt these new policies. IMHO I would rather everyone be inconvenienced slightly instead of having x number of planes blown out of the sky....if you can't justify a little inconvenience to prevent this I think you should take a good long look at yourself because I think you are a little too self involved....
Ever heard of the saying: The good of the many outweight the good of the few or the one?
The way everyone is talking you'd think they are making cavity searches mandatory....FOR FUCKS SAKE, PUT YOUR IPOD IN YOUR GODDAM LUGGAGE AND STOP FRIGGIN WHINING ABOUT IT
Ummm you're flying the wrong airlines if you are waiting 2 - 3 hrs IN THE PLANE prior to departure, the max you typically have to wait after checking your bags is about an hour....this is after taking hundreds of flights maybe twice I've waited more than a couple of hours prior to departure.....as for calls, every airport I've ever been in has this thing called a ...what is it? I think it is called a PAY PHONE.....and many even have a console phone that accepts calling cards....so your excuse is null and void my friend....
2. Apparently you haven't travel 24-hour flights (including stop-overs) too often.
And your point is...what exactly? that you can't live without your IPOD for more than 24 hrs? Man talk about being addicted to technology....the world revolved just fine before the mp3 was invented.....
3. They are too fragile to be checked in, have you seen the way any airports' baggage sorting systems? I have, it's scary.
Yes, and if I have valuable or fragile goods I send it through the airline's precious cargo/fragile special handling program....never ever ever have I had anything damaged and I've sent things that are a lot more fragile than a camera.......plus you had better buy a better case...if your case can't protect your equipment from "rough" handling.....if you're spent 10K on your equipment you should have spent 3K on the case.....For eg: I have/had 5 K worth of equipment and I spent 500 on the case...I did a test, I dead dropped it onto a hardwood floor with an egg inside and the egg didn't break and I've NEVER had anything damaged during transport and I've been pretty rough on the case....
Also, I am assuming that your equipment is of european or japanese make? There aren't too many companies that manufacture items in North America so your equipment was probably transported by ship, handled by forklifts, cranes, warehousemen, and maybe even a courier before it arrived safe and sound in your hands....so you trying to tell me that your case isn't as good as the styrofoam and cardboard box that it came in?
4. I'm a photographer, see addendum 3. One of my lens cost me $8,000. When I travel, the bare minimum I carry is $10,000 worth of lenses and bodies. Maybe you are that rich so you're fine with risking $10,000 worth of equipment.
Umm not rich, just have everything insured......and if you paid by credit card, you're probably insured already....When I was in the tradeshow biz I checked electronic items that were 10x more valuable and fragile than camera equipment packed in cheap case and I've never had anything lost or damaged...
5. I must be very young compared to you, but for the past 31 years of travelling literally around the world, I've never encountered a situation where outside drinks and food are not allowed on board.
Well, you have a short memory because I distinctly recall going to Dom Rep in 1994 and they made the guy in front of me get rid of his cocktail before boarding....and I think you are forgetting the annoucements stating that consumption of duty free and alcohol not purchased from the airline is prohibited....I also recall flying air canada in the 80's and them making me get rid of my coke before boarding.....
ANyway, bottom line is the airlines will have to adjust to adapt these new policies. IMHO I would rather everyone be inconvenienced slightly instead of having x number of planes blown out of the sky....if you can't justify a little inconvenience to prevent this I think you should take a good long look at yourself because I think you are a little too self involved....
Ever heard of the saying: The good of the many outweight the good of the few or the one?
The way everyone is talking you'd think they are making cavity searches mandatory....FOR FUCKS SAKE, PUT YOUR IPOD IN YOUR GODDAM LUGGAGE AND STOP FRIGGIN WHINING ABOUT IT
You are that thick aren't you?tboy said:
1. My clients need to call me. I sleep with my cellphone on for Christ sake. What should I do? Keep checking my voicemail every 15 minutes for 3 hours? You're not in my line of business so don't tell me how I should run my business. The total minute count on my phone every month is counted by the hours, not minutes anymore. Last month, my "slow" phone-month I racked aound 26 hours of cell phone minutes, that's not including landline and Skype.
2. Listening to my iPOD is part of my job. I have to learn and memorize the music cues for my clients concerts (that's what I do most of the time, overseas). I read the music manuscript, with lighting and pyro cues, while memorizing the song. And before you being a smartass and telling me how to do my job, no, the version tend to be VERY different than the original recording and usually I only get the files hours before my flight.
3. Usually all the manuscripts are e-mailed to me. 1 concert can have about 300 pages of manuscripts and cues etc. Also for confidentiality purpose, they don't disseminate the info until hours, sometimes minutes before I leave my house to get to the airport. No time to print those 300 pages.
4. No insurance can recover my equipment that quickly! I WILL lose clients if my equipment is broken or got lost. When a client fly me in for their fashion shots, the models already there, the sets are set, lighting are set, make up artists etc are already there. Then I showed up with no equipment I WILL LOSE MY JOB, FUTURE JOBS FROM THAT COMPANY AND (may) GET SUED.
5. You're talking about alcoholic beverage. I'm talking freakin' bottled water. Never had any problem with JAL, KAL, Qantas, GIA, CX, AA, SQ, BA with bringing food and/or drink since about 31 or 32 years ago. Maybe because I only fly 8 times a year on average?
6. Not being able to do 1-4 is not inconvenience "slightly" for me. That's losing 90% of my income. I guess for you losing 90% of your income does not matter at all. Again, going back to my hypothesis that you're filthy rich.
I hope it gets through your head.
The one thing I don't get is that they said on the news last night that even if you purchase a beverage AFTER passing through security at one of the stores by the gates you will be asked to finish it before you board the plane.
This is AFTER you pass through security and have already been asked to throw half of your stuff away.
If everyone who goes through security has to empty their baggage of all of the banned items, how is buying a drink at the store BEYOND security checkpoints a problem?
This is AFTER you pass through security and have already been asked to throw half of your stuff away.
If everyone who goes through security has to empty their baggage of all of the banned items, how is buying a drink at the store BEYOND security checkpoints a problem?
what they're scared of is that terrorist can use electronic device to ignite the bomb. The funny thing is even the electrical outlet they have at the washrooms, even deliberately creating static electricity will give the same result... which is kablamo!
So the no-electronics thing is just an overreaction. Just like when we weren't allowed to bring tweezers on board (now we can). What? we're hijacking the plane with a pair of tweezers? Give me a break.
So the no-electronics thing is just an overreaction. Just like when we weren't allowed to bring tweezers on board (now we can). What? we're hijacking the plane with a pair of tweezers? Give me a break.
Yup! Now the terrorist have won the battle! We are terrorized, that's the whole point of terrorizm. We succumb to the fear, the terrorist won!Gyaos said:
MC:
1) Most planes come with cellphones in the seat backs, so you can still check your messages and return calls. Just like now.....and again, YOU CAN STILL USE YOUR PHONE IN THE TERMINAL BUT LIKE ALWAYS, NOT ON THE PLANE. So what has changed? NOTHING except maybe you don't have access to it for 1 hour and the time it takes to retrieve it from checked baggage.
2) In no way shape or form did you EVER say you used your IPOD for business....so cut out the attitude. That I understand, that you need it for business not pleasure, but again, you didn't say that.....
3) The printouts, almost every airport now has a business centre, at 5 pages per minute it will take you about an hour to get a printout, you can get that done while talking on your cellphone in the terminal, or stop at Kinkos or Staples on your way to the airport....
4) Your equipment: You never addressed the packing/damage issue which ISN'T AN ISSUE IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT CASE. As for lost or missing items, if you're shooting in a major city (which you will be in since you are FLYING, you can rent whatever you lose for the shoot)
5) So now you have to buy your bottled water from them on the plane, BIG FRICKIN DEAL tough it out.....
6) No one said you can't do 1 - 5, now you just have to do it differently. EOS
Just one more point: The world is changing, you can adapt or you can bitch and moan and expect the world to revolve around you. Well let me give it to you straight: IT DOESN'T.
Personally I don't understand why the airlines EVER allowed electronic devices on board. I mean, every time you seen any type of detonator in movies they are always disguised as some innocent (like a calculator) and if they really want to ban liquid explosives, they have to ban liquids from checked baggage as well because if they let a modified IPOD on board, and the liquid explosive has a receiver in the hold, they haven't stopped a thing unless they ban both. Especially now with WIFI so prevalent, it would be relatively easy to wire up a laptop in a suitcase in the hold, and link it to the laptop in the cabin.
As for purchasing liquids etc from airport vendors, they don't check the ones going on the planes either so I think they will have to change that....
ANyhow, I think the changes and the reaction now are all just knee jerk reactions and everyone should take a deep breath and see what the FINAL outcome will be. They've discovered a further lack of security and are reacting to it. Bottom line is there has always been a security lapse and the terrorist discovered it. Every industry has things like this going on (ie: the building industry and fire codes etc) where 20 yrs ago they didn't think there was a problem but they since have discovered one.
Bottom line is this: The world is changing, if you want to survive you have to change with it because if you don't, as Monkeychan says, he will be out of business......
As for terrorists winning the battle, shake your head GOOD. When a terrorist wins, thousands of people die....winning ISN'T making life a little inconvenient by not allowing you to bring your bottle of water on board....
Monkeychan, here is a direct question for you: How would you feel if they lift the ban on bottled water and ipods etc then someone blows up a plane with them and hundreds die as a result?
1) Most planes come with cellphones in the seat backs, so you can still check your messages and return calls. Just like now.....and again, YOU CAN STILL USE YOUR PHONE IN THE TERMINAL BUT LIKE ALWAYS, NOT ON THE PLANE. So what has changed? NOTHING except maybe you don't have access to it for 1 hour and the time it takes to retrieve it from checked baggage.
2) In no way shape or form did you EVER say you used your IPOD for business....so cut out the attitude. That I understand, that you need it for business not pleasure, but again, you didn't say that.....
3) The printouts, almost every airport now has a business centre, at 5 pages per minute it will take you about an hour to get a printout, you can get that done while talking on your cellphone in the terminal, or stop at Kinkos or Staples on your way to the airport....
4) Your equipment: You never addressed the packing/damage issue which ISN'T AN ISSUE IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT CASE. As for lost or missing items, if you're shooting in a major city (which you will be in since you are FLYING, you can rent whatever you lose for the shoot)
5) So now you have to buy your bottled water from them on the plane, BIG FRICKIN DEAL tough it out.....
6) No one said you can't do 1 - 5, now you just have to do it differently. EOS
Just one more point: The world is changing, you can adapt or you can bitch and moan and expect the world to revolve around you. Well let me give it to you straight: IT DOESN'T.
Personally I don't understand why the airlines EVER allowed electronic devices on board. I mean, every time you seen any type of detonator in movies they are always disguised as some innocent (like a calculator) and if they really want to ban liquid explosives, they have to ban liquids from checked baggage as well because if they let a modified IPOD on board, and the liquid explosive has a receiver in the hold, they haven't stopped a thing unless they ban both. Especially now with WIFI so prevalent, it would be relatively easy to wire up a laptop in a suitcase in the hold, and link it to the laptop in the cabin.
As for purchasing liquids etc from airport vendors, they don't check the ones going on the planes either so I think they will have to change that....
ANyhow, I think the changes and the reaction now are all just knee jerk reactions and everyone should take a deep breath and see what the FINAL outcome will be. They've discovered a further lack of security and are reacting to it. Bottom line is there has always been a security lapse and the terrorist discovered it. Every industry has things like this going on (ie: the building industry and fire codes etc) where 20 yrs ago they didn't think there was a problem but they since have discovered one.
Bottom line is this: The world is changing, if you want to survive you have to change with it because if you don't, as Monkeychan says, he will be out of business......
As for terrorists winning the battle, shake your head GOOD. When a terrorist wins, thousands of people die....winning ISN'T making life a little inconvenient by not allowing you to bring your bottle of water on board....
Monkeychan, here is a direct question for you: How would you feel if they lift the ban on bottled water and ipods etc then someone blows up a plane with them and hundreds die as a result?
WH Smith (in U.K.) & Duty free will hurt brings in $4 B+ a year. Over 30% of Duty free income is from brooze & perfume.Alexa Taylor said:
I fly with few like Sasha, non stop coughing if without liquid every 10 mins. You cannot get water or FAA rules leave uncollected plastic cups at time of take-off & landing, can be as long as 30 mins, if long taxi out or busy runway.
If they come to their senses, a tamper proof cap would minimize the hassle.
The world today is all fuckd up. So we all have to make our sacrifices becoz some bearded scoundrels decided it was fun to blow up planes & buildings with people. Nuke those rascals and the world will be a better place.
Sorry for being belligerent, but could not hold back my frustration.
Sorry for being belligerent, but could not hold back my frustration.
1. International counters open 2-3 hrs prior to flight. True, you can't board flight till 45 mins before departure. Cellphone already checked in at this point. If flight delayed or rescheduled, airline experts recommend get on cellphone to rebook with their 800 number. Not with their local desk as they're swamped with eager passengers & don't have all the info & get the run-arounds. Even better if you can do it as you wait in line-ups.tboy said:
2. In-flight entertainment doesn't always work. My recent trip, 3 in-flight entertainment problems. One with bad static. another ear-phone jacks for my row didn't work, it was a full flight. Third, only the first 2 hrs had sound. People gets annoy very easily in those long haul flights.
3. Biz Laptop may contain very sensitive valuable info. In last few years, big uproar about banks & U.S. agencies losing client person info. Encrp would help but you still risk losing company info. And connecting flights that may be up to 5hrs at airport.
4. Photos in those cam are what most tourist want to bring home to treasure. Often more prized than their belonging.
5. Often, it's the airport that ban outside food as they've agreement with departure area vendor for exclusive.
I'm lucky enough like tboy, to forgo many of above, in most trips but not always, for a relaxing flying experience.
U.S. Homeland are idiots! They like to play the odds.
If safety is true concern, would've improve measures years ago. Remember Air India & few others.
Baggage handlers & caterers are not screened, as closely as one may think. So easy to plant stuff in-flight. This hasn't shown up in terrorist training manual yet so it's not address.
I think so too. After all, if my equipment got lost, I can right away rent an $8000 lens, $8000 camera bodies (yes, plural), tripods, etc in an instant.PHNINE said:I think from now on I will just bring Tboy with me where ever I go. LOL
Dude, you can't even buy one without pre-ordering these shit for at least a week! (the lens, I mean). You must have far better connections and resources and knowhow than I do. Because if rental is that easy, for the past 6 years (48 trips) I've been fucking stupid carrying more than 30 lb of camera equipment with me.
You must also be more resourceful than companies such as Panavision, Arriflex and those other filmmakers. Why don't they just rent all their equipment in Toronto when they want to shoot instead of shipping them from California... hmmm I wonder? I guess they are all that stupid and don't realize that they can just rent their equipment.
I'm done with this thread.
He should be on that reality show with Southwest airline. Good thing he doesn't work as an airport screener.PHNINE said:
Give me an idea of what lens you're talking about and I bet I could find an outlet anywhere in the world in about 30 minutes....I've always gone to vistek and they have just about anything one would ever need including hasselblad digital and those bodies are 15 grand.....monkeychan said:
by the way, you never answered my question: if they DO allow you to keep your ipod, and some radical blows up a plane with one, how will you feel?
