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No Deal Got Done--Vladdy Going to Free Agency

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I think that this front office is a clown show.

From Gregor Chisolm in today's Star:

DUNEDIN, Fla.—Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is destined to become a free agent in the fall after the Blue Jays failed to reach an agreement on a long-term extension with the 25-year-old prior to his self-imposed deadline of Tuesday morning.

Guerrero had given the Jays until their first full-squad workout of the spring to reach a deal. Negotiations continued in the weeks leading up to the start of camp but the four-time all-star said the two sides never got close during their talks.

That means Guerrero is set to become a free agent alongside shortstop Bo Bichette in the fall. They will be two of the top players available and they could leave town for little more than compensatory draft picks in return. Their departures would set the franchise back years and almost assuredly mark the beginning of yet another rebuild.

Guerrero’s announcement casts a dark cloud over the Jays upcoming season. He will likely be asked about becoming a free agent everywhere he goes and the Jays will risk of losing their best player for almost nothing in return.

The Dominican has yet to hit his prime and he already ranks eighth in franchise history with 160 homers. Guerrero also sits sixth among all-time Jays with a .288 average and his .863 on-base plus slugging percentage trails only Carlos Delgado, Jose Bautista, Edwin Encarnacion and John Olerud.

“Definitely,” Guerrero said when asked if intended to stick with his deadline for a new deal. “They knew about that since the end of the last season, about the deadline. And one important thing here, I don’t want my teammates to go through any distractions. I’m here today, I’m ready, and want to win a lot of games, and I want to make it to the playoffs. That’s all that’s in my head right now.”

The Jays’ decision to not give Guerrero what he wanted didn’t have anything to do with a lack of resources. Over the last two off-seasons, the Jays made offers to free agents Shohei Ohtani and Juan Soto that were believed to exceed $700 million (U.S.). The club is also operating with one of Major League Baseball’s top five payrolls.

The lack of an agreement wasn’t about affordability. Instead, the Jays by their actions have clearly indicated that they don’t view their own star as being worth anything close to those top free agents.

“Every deal, every situation is different,” Jays general manager Ross Atkins said when asked about the offers to Ohtani and Soto. “We always have had incredible support (from ownership). How you come up with a value and are willing to reach a certain threshold. You have to stay disciplined, too, and you have to stay disciplined to the fact that we are running a business.”

That business might not be running smoothly for much longer. In addition to Guerrero and Bichette, starter Chris Bassitt and Max Scherzer are among those eligible for free agency at the end of the season and with the Jays possessing one of the weakest minor league systems in MLB there is a noticeable lack of viable replacements.
 
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"Oh no, Space Invaders fuck my ass again". His English wasn't very good.
 
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The Jays front office is a joke. They keep teasing us that they're in the running for big names like Soto or Ohtani, but cannot seal the deal (and are probably being used as stocking horses by the agents). They can't seem to draft anyone for the most part, and the farm system is in disarray. But, they renovated the dome....

Man, I wonder what the board at Rogers is thinking right now, see all the success that Anthopoulos is having with the Braves...

Now, mind you, the rumor is that Vlad was asking for $400M...which seems relatively high for what he's done. But....c'est la vie...
 

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The Jays front office is a joke. They keep teasing us that they're in the running for big names like Soto or Ohtani, but cannot seal the deal (and are probably being used as stocking horses by the agents). They can't seem to draft anyone for the most part, and the farm system is in disarray. But, they renovated the dome....

Man, I wonder what the board at Rogers is thinking right now, see all the success that Anthopoulos is having with the Braves...

Now, mind you, the rumor is that Vlad was asking for $400M...which seems relatively high for what he's done. But....c'est la vie...
$400 million doesn't get it done. It would take $500+ over 12 years.... At least.
 

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The Jays front office is a joke. They keep teasing us that they're in the running for big names like Soto or Ohtani, but cannot seal the deal (and are probably being used as stocking horses by the agents). They can't seem to draft anyone for the most part, and the farm system is in disarray. But, they renovated the dome....

Man, I wonder what the board at Rogers is thinking right now, see all the success that Anthopoulos is having with the Braves...

Now, mind you, the rumor is that Vlad was asking for $400M...which seems relatively high for what he's done. But....c'est la vie...
Gotta disagree with the last part.

That's barely half of what Soto got.
Ohtani got $70M/yr. Vladdy was asking $40

I don't think that that is at all out of line with today's market. 26-30 are his absolute prime years coming up and playing for a new contract. It's not just what he's done, one has to consider his potential. It's not like he's a big name veteran but on the downside of his career.

Jays could have got him a couple of years for probably a bit over $30M/yr. But because Shatkins had to get a home team discount to show how smart they are, the market shifted while they grifted (at least tried to). They fucked themselves and the organization by playing games and delaying.

The Jays have the money, as they displayed with the offers to Soto and Ohtani. They have cash all right, but they also have huge egos. And it's not their money anyway. And if they don't perform, their contracts are up and they're out the door. And they have no farm system. What they did is irrational.

If the Jays get off to a bad start and are 8-10 games out by the end of May (1/3 of the season), the the loss in revenues (attendance, concession, merchandise, TV ratings, advertising) will make the the extra they needed to pay Vlad pale in comparison.

Just wait if a couple of starters (Berios) go down, and/or Santander and/or Bichette. All they need is two significant injuries to the wrong players.
 
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IIRC Vladdy and Bo were brought into the organization by AA. I wonder if this is clouding current management's judgement. Some managers who are new to an organization don't care much for players from the previous regime. If the players do well the current manager doesn't get the credit for it.
 
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Vladdy's not nearly the player that Soto and Ohtani are!! The Jays will still have good attendance no matter what!!
Soto may be a bit better offensive player, but Vladdy is a much better defender; which is saying something about how bad Soto's defense is.
 

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Vladdy's not nearly the player that Soto and Ohtani are!!
That's why I said in my previous post that he's looking for only slightly more than half of what the others got.

The Jays will still have good attendance no matter what!!
You must be very young. Even the Leafs stopped selling out in the 80's. I think the same happened in the year they tanked and got the #1 pick. Jays fans will not be as forgiving. Even just about 10 years after they won the World Series, they were getting attendance of 16 or 17,000.

Again, as I said in my previous post, early season enthusiasm advance ticket sales will get them to at least the end of May. After that, ticket sales will be more dependent on where they are in the standings. But ratings are somewhat different. Ratings affect what they can charge for advertising. That effect could happen sooner. I also wouldn't be surprised if season ticket sales are down this year as a result of a shitty 2024.
 
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Given that we have a poor farm system I think it is incumbent upon us to sign Vlad. Given what Soto signed for I think we can justify giving Vlad a 12 year deal @ $40 million per season.
I'm not sure I would sign Bo to a long term deal however. His range at SS is mediocre at best. Plus I question his commitment. Hopefully he has a good start and we can trade him mid season for some prospects.
 

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$400 million doesn't get it done. It would take $500+ over 12 years.... At least.
And if he has a good year, even more. There will be no shortage of suitors, several of whom are not as rich as Rogers.
 

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I still think playing in Toronto is a hard sell, ohtani, the Japanese pitcher, and Soto were never coming here regardless of front office imo. Vladdy had a great 2021 and 2nd half of 2024, the rest were ok. He's really gotta come out on fire and stay hot mostly, give them no choice then. My guess the numbers were somewhere from 33 -35 per to vladdys 40m per.
 
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