No Deal Got Done--Vladdy Going to Free Agency

[Toronto Passions]

This franchise evaluates players and the amount they should be paid, like it’s 2006. I can’t wait for Mark Shapiro‘s term to expire at the end of this year. Hopefully they replace him day one after the season is over and the new guy saves the day. Shapiro is one stingy fuck when it comes to how much money to allocate towards one individual. Certainly feels like Shapiro does not like Guerrero. He made a few unnecessary comments as well regarding the negotiations.

Philip

 

[Sonic Temple]

I'm probably against the norm here - but the Jays may have saved a tonne of money. VGJ is a great player no doubt but is he the one to build a team around for the amount of cash you are willing to pay for what he wants. Agree with @cumstainz - our market is a tough sell.

 

[Insidious Von]

The Shatkins are dummkofts, it is all about resources. After all the money he spent renovating a pig trough, Ed Rogers wasn't willing to fork out the multi-millions for one player.

 

[Toronto Passions]

And if he hits over .300 this year with over 35 home runs and 100 RBIs…. He’s gone. I understand the risk because of his stats, but it’s really about his age and potential. I feel like all he has needed is protection in the lineup so he can be very choosy for his pitch.

Philip

 

[Jubee]

Cool. Didn't know this was happening. Bye Vladdy.

 

[Toronto Passions]

Look at what Steve Cohen says regarding Vladimir Guerrero at 17:06.

Such a cool, calm, confidence and what the possibilities might be with a slight chuckle in the background with reporters because they all heard the rumors and there’s a general excitement regarding the possibility of obtaining Vlady.

I wish we had this type of administrative face of the franchise. A team owner that we all know who is also a CEO. Essentially acting as a president in many ways. Someone that sits down with the media and has a real conversation instead of this executive mumbo-jumbo.

Philip

 

[shack]

And if he hits over .300 this year with over 35 home runs and 100 RBIs…. He’s gone. I understand the risk because of his stats, but it’s really about his age and potential. I feel like all he has needed is protection in the lineup so he can be very choosy for his pitch.

Philip

Most of the reporting has been very negative towards the Jays. The first place I checked out was MLB Network and it was the lead story. They said that the Jays blew it. A young home grown star....gone.
Another said that the Jays shot themselves in the foot--------again. Another said that Shapeero embarrassed himself at the press conference when he said that he got "emotional" over it.

It's too bad that Buck works for Rogers. When the time comes I'd love to hear what he really thinks.

 

[Toronto Passions]

Most of the reporting has been very negative towards the Jays. The first place I checked out was MLB Network and it was the lead story. They said that the Jays blew it. A young home grown star....gone.
Another said that the Jays shot themselves in the foot--------again. Another said that Shapeero embarrassed himself at the press conference when he said that he got "emotional" over it.

It's too bad that Buck works for Rogers. When the time comes I'd love to hear what he really thinks.

I predict the Mets will sign Vlady, and Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins will get their houses toilet papered, like they did to Mitch Williams.

Philip

 

[cumstainz]

I don't know much about protection but if Santander is hitting behind vladdy then it's time he hits in the 45 plus home run area and 120 plus rbis. Or in the 50 doubles area. A 30/100 line is in the 33-35 mil area imo.

Do fans want him at .300/30/100 or .265/45/120 ? He needs to crush home runs at a 1 every three or four games pace which would put him mid 40s for home runs. I liked watching Bautista and Edwin for the chance they're gonna hit a bomb .

 

[shack]

The difference is the Mets are a good team, the Jays are not!!

Because, unlike the Mets, they Jays are not willing to pay what it takes even though Rogers is one of the richest owners and/or Shatkins doesn't know how to spend the money wisely and/or they've developed the 5th worst farm system in MLB and/or they are so disliked and/or untrusted that they can't attract free agents.

Aside from that small detail they could have a good team.

 

[shack]

Don't forget, Rogers has to play players in US dollars, while they earn their revenue in cdn dollars!! Like I said upthread, the Jays will a 500 team this yr, at best, and signing vladdy to a long term contract, will be a waste of money for the Jays!!

Thanks for the breaking news. When did this happen? This cut the rug out from under them.

In that case, Rogers is still one the very wealthiest owners. Maybe you're going to tell us another reason they couldn't sign him is because the Jays have one of the largest markets and fan bases all to themselves.

Maybe Shatkins is pissed at all the criticism he's received and is giving a fuck you back to the fans. He's taking a scorched earth policy to the team on his way out. It will take years to recover.

 

[shack]

No, because it's not worth signing Vladdy to a 12 fawken yr $480 million plus contract......LMAO

It was a terrible move that they will regret.

Rogers has more than enough money, if for no other reason than to pay the fans back for their loyalty. This is not a popular move and will cost them.

I'd bet that some team will give him a more lucrative contract next off-season. They could have got him after the 2023 season for under $350M. They fucked up.

 

[Toronto Passions]

I Vladdy doesn't have the type of body that can last in MLB for 12 more yrs. Vladdy has too much propensity to put on a lot of weight!!

David, Ortiz, Tony Gwynn, etc. etc. etc. Guerrero is going to be just fine. IMHO this franchise has made a humongous mistake. Giving Guerrero some solid protection in the lineup. Now he can actually look for his pitch and not take stupid chances. This season will tell us the story.

On the flipside, the Blue Jays front office could be waiting and seeing if the Guerrero ends up putting up numbers and might give them fair market value into a full-fledged bidding war if he deserves it. Maybe these idiots are banking on the fact that he wants to play in Toronto. Maybe this was Mark Shapiro‘s last order of business to save Rogers some unnecessary spending that they just don’t know the answer to yet and then if Guerrero has a good year, they can pin all the blame on Mark Shapiro as he leaves and is replaced. It’s scary to get into a bidding war with the Mets regardless if he ends up having a good year.

Philip

 

[shack]

I don't think Rogers cares. Vladdy doesn't have the type of body that can last in MLB for 12 more yrs. Vladdy has too much propensity to put on a lot of weight!! OK for Rogers to sign Vladdy to a 2 or 3 yr contract extension, but to sign Vladdy to a 12 yr contract extension is ridiculous!!

He's improved his body a lot since he first showed up here and has worked hard this off season. He's lost weight every year and has a team of handlers making sure he looks after himself.

Talking about a 2 or 3 year contract means you don't want to have a serious or realistic discussion.

Serious question, seeing as it's "ridiculous" do you think that no teams are going to offer him 10-12 year offers next off-season? The billionaire owners are the ones you seem to praise in other threads as being so smart. Obviously, they wouldn't be so stupid as to make such a ridiculous offer. Why are so many analysts and media saying that the Jays screwed up.

Or maybe it's you who doesn't know what they're talking about.

 

[shack]

David, Ortiz, Tony Gwynn, etc. etc. etc. Guerrero is going to be just fine. IMHO this franchise has made a humongous mistake. Giving Guerrero some solid protection in the lineup. Now he can actually look for his pitch and not take stupid chances. This season will tell us the story.

On the flipside, the Blue Jays front office could be waiting and seeing if the Guerrero ends up putting up numbers and might give them fair market value into a full-fledged bidding war if he deserves it. Maybe these idiots are banking on the fact that he wants to play in Toronto. Maybe this was Mark Shapiro‘s last order of business to save Rogers some unnecessary spending that they just don’t know the answer to yet and then if Guerrero has a good year, they can pin all the blame on Mark Shapiro as he leaves and is replaced. It’s scary to get into a bidding war with the Mets regardless if he ends up having a good year.

Philip

It seems like a bad and unnecessary gamble to me. They could have signed him for a lot less last year and the price will probably go up a lot more next year. The Jays will end up being the master of their own demise.

 

[Toronto Passions]

It seems like a bad and unnecessary gamble to me. They could have signed him for a lot less last year and the price will probably go up a lot more next year. The Jays will end up being the master of their own demise.

The Steve Cohen video clip interview I posted says so many things. He referred to Guerrero as a good player, as the reporters in the background had a giggle of excitement. All he has to do is check in with Soto and see what a good organization that the Mets are and he is gone, and he will get his money

Philip

 

[shack]

I know what I'm talking about. I've been an avid sports fan my whole life!!

I guess Rogers is afraid of getting burned on another George Springer type contract. 6yrs $150 million. Springer has been useless, for the last 2 yrs!!

Not a valid comparison at all.

Springer was already 30 when he signed with the Blue Jays and still got some good years out of him.

He had reached his peak was just starting the downside of his career. Vladdy is only 25 and still improving.

I've been an avid sports fan my whole life!!

Which does not mean that you're going to be right every time.

And if that's your main criterion for sports knowledge, you must admit that I know more than you because I can almost guarantee that I've been an avid sports fan for a significant period of time more than you.

 

[shack]

I don't think the Jays blew it. Vladdy has been a Jay for 6 yrs already. It's not like Vladdy is some hot shot rookie!!

It's too early to say, but most likely the number of teams chasing after him after the WS will prove that your opinion of him will not align with reality.

As I type this, it makes me want to ask, what kind of contract do you think he'll get next year? How long and how much will these money smart billionaires want to pay him?

 

[Nad Smith]

I am not so sure it was a bad baseball decision to not overpay Geurrero. In addition to his numbers being very good, but not out of this world and some of the long term worries - he has not proven himself to be a winner. Take a look at the video "Vlad playoff heroics" ...oh wait there isn't one....he disappeared in the playoffs - except to be picked off second base (an unforgivable baseball sin).

Yes it will be interesting to watch how this year unfolds....and to see whether the seats are full. Fans sanctioned the last place finish every time they bought a ticket. We should be talking about the lack of pitching depth. If the starters stay healthy, the team should be all right (although lack of a good lefty is alarming)....but the team has been lucky with the durability of Gausman, Berrios, et al.

 

[Toronto Passions]

It seems like a bad and unnecessary gamble to me. They could have signed him for a lot less last year and the price will probably go up a lot more next year. The Jays will end up being the master of their own demise.

My biggest hope, is that Rogers is using this administration as the fall guys for not getting the deal done. And if Vlady is having a good year let’s hope Rogers finally fires these two morons and hopefully then they can bring in someone to save the day and get the deal done. SHITiero and ASSkins are horrible negotiators. Clearly the lack of off-season signings tells us this.

Philip