No Deal Got Done--Vladdy Going to Free Agency

[Toronto Passions]

…. I shouldn’t say the lack of off-season signings. ASSkins has some roster assembling ability. This past off-season wasn’t a bust. In my opinion he got some stuff done. Striking out on opportunity signings is more like it. I listen to podcasts of other teams. The word around the league,on the Blue Jays is that they suck in getting the deal done. Constant failures and misses.

Philip

 

[shack]

My biggest hope, is that Rogers is using this administration as the fall guys for not getting the deal done.

Philip

I think that the biggest motivator would be lots of empty seats. It's just so visible and in your face. Lowered ratings would just pile it on.

 

[Toronto Passions]

IMHO, Rogers center won't have a lot of empty seats. Also, Jays TV ratings are excellent!!

Just too repeat, it's not worth it to sign Vladdy to a 12 yr contract!!

Jays fans are expecting the Jays to have a 500 year at best. The Jays fans know that Baltimore, the Yankees, and the red Sox are way better teams than the Jays, and that's just in their own division!!

My take on what people are saying is they don’t really know what to expect right now in terms of what the season is going to look like. After Santander and Scherzer were signed, I have sensed a little optimism. Many podcasts were saying if they extend Guerrero, it has been a winning off-season.

But now, unfortunately, all that Guerrero extension talk is down the toilet. Vladimir Guerrero Junior is one of the few faces of the MLB. Losing him would be catastrophic to this franchise.

Philip

 

[shack]

I also think Juan Soto's 15yr $765 million contract is ridiculous!! Soto will be 41 yrs by the time this contract plays out.....LMAO Soto will be making 51 million/yr!!

Blue Jays, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. fail to reach agreement before deadline

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is bound for free agency after the 2025 season as negotiations on a long-term extension with the Toronto Blue Jays hit a wall ahead of a deadline set by the all-star first baseman.

www.sportsnet.ca

Agreed ridiculous. But that is the reality of the market. If you don't want to pay it, somebody else will. If you are serious about competing then you're going to have to overpay somewhere. Especially when a team like the Jays don't have anything significant on the farm.

 

[shack]

So let some other team overpay Vladdy, as long as it's not the Jays!!

So no Soto, no Ohtani, no Sasaki, no Bregman, no Alonso and now no Vladdy. The Jays are so smart that they will remain eternally mediocre.

And very few mediocre teams remain profitable. So, what are they accomplishing?

 

[Toronto Passions]

He'll be flopping out of the dugout like Prince 10 years from now if signed for a long term contract. I can see him steadily porking out again year after year just like a hot chick after she gets married. I highly suspect Rogers was thinking this also.

This post is pretty funny. Prince Fielder is a good comparison as well. I’m on the Big Pappi side, but there is a player like Prince Fielder to also think about. Another thing to think about as well is this salary situation is getting so out of hand, teams cannot compete with each other and it’s getting really bad. I think in the next two years there’s going to be a major lockout.

Hopefully, there’s a salary cap coming in the near future.

Philip

 

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I think in the next two years there’s going to be a major lockout.

Philip

Major as in loooong one.

The owners need to break this cycle of uber-inflation. This whole concept that if one player gets $X then it changes everybody's market value is kinda dumb. Some teams will never ever be able to compete.

 

[Toronto Passions]

Major as in loooong one.

The owners need to break this cycle of uber-inflation. This whole concept that if one player gets $X then it changes everybody's market value is kinda dumb. Some teams will never ever be able to compete.

if Guerrero has an amazing year, then maybe the Blue Jays are OK with paying premium dollar and they feel confident in being able to outbid anyone for him. But if he has a below expectations season, then good if they’re not over paying him or whatever the expectation is. The thing I can’t understand is if they are taking the guy to arbitration over $1 million, and if they had no intention on extending him as clearly they saw where the market was going… Especially after Shohei Ohtani… then why wouldn’t they just trade Guerrero? Because now they are in a really bad situation.

Anthony Santander is the guy I feel sorry for. Apparently he was promised that the Blue Jays are keeping Guerrero no matter what.

Philip

 

[Toke]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25160862-mlb-rumors-vladimir-guerrero-jr-going-expect-500m-contract-free-agency

 

[maurice93]

I sort of feel Vlad wants to stay with the Jays but he wants to ensure they are contenders as well. If they are not contending he will look to leave.

And they haven't proven that, so he made an outrageous ask (and yes 13/585 is totally ridiculous for a 1B with 2022/23 in recent years). That was the only way he could justify staying without knowing what they were.

if the Jays compete this year and Vlad is happy where they are heading, I think he signs a far more reasonable contract than 13/585... maybe 10/400. But if they are not a playoff team he is probably gone.

 

[shack]

I sort of feel Vlad wants to stay with the Jays but he wants to ensure they are contenders as well. If they are not contending he will look to leave.

And they haven't proven that, so he made an outrageous ask (and yes 13/585 is totally ridiculous for a 1B with 2022/23 in recent years). That was the only way he could justify staying without knowing what they were.

if the Jays compete this year and Vlad is happy where they are heading, I think he signs a far more reasonable contract than 13/585... maybe 10/400. But if they are not a playoff team he is probably gone.

I can't disagree with your premise but coming down from 580 to 400 is enormously enormous.

 

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[Toke]

Awesome, let Vladdy enter free agency next season. The Jays don't need him!!

You obviously haven't been paying attention to contracts lately. The price has/is going up and $500mil over 14 isn't much for a player like Vladdy. He'll easily get more on the open market.

 

[shack]

Awesome, let Vladdy enter free agency next season. The Jays don't need him!!

That's an ignorant statement seeing as everyone of the other 29 teams would love to have him but it's just the Jays that don't need him.

With their paltry offense they probably need his 30-40 HRs and 100+ RBIs more than most teams. Who's going to replace that without also costing an arm and a leg? Loperfido? Barger?

 

[shack]

You obviously haven't been paying attention to contracts lately. The price has/is going up and $500mil over 14 isn't much for a player like Vladdy. He'll easily get more on the open market.

He has no idea what he's talking about. He admitted that his whole reasoning for saying the Jays would be dumb to sign him is based on solid baseball metrics:

I guess I'm just not a Vladdy fan!!

I mean, who can argue with that logic?

 

[Toke]

He has no idea what he's talking about. He admitted that his whole reasoning for saying the Jays would be dumb to sign him is based on solid baseball metrics:



I mean, who can argue with that logic?

I guess he's more a Spence Horwitz kinda guy. With that thinking, this team will be basement dwellers for eternity.

 

[shack]

I've been a Jays fan my whole life, and I don't think it's fiscally prudent for the Jays to sign vladdy to a 14 yr contract.....LMAO

So you were born after 1977. So by the time you turned 20 and could analyze things as an adult, that's less than 30 years. I've been doing it much longer than you, so your comment about being a Jays fan "your whole life" is trumped by me following them as an adult their entire existence. I've got you by a good 20 years.

We will see next off season how many baseball executives, who have been in this business longer than you've been alive and get paid millions to make decisions like this, disagree with you. Any teams that are mentioned as talking to his agent already know how much he's asking for and are prepared to pursue him.

Right now there are way more experts criticizing the Jays' approach than praising them. Just today I heard John Heyman, Shi Davidi and Jeff Blair saying they are wrong seeing as we are talking about only $3 or 4 million/year. They just pissed away $11M getting that Jack Straw in a failed attempt at getting Sasaki. The only one I saw agreeing with you was that 15 year old blogger with no credentials that you posted about.

I'll guess there will be at least a half dozen pursuers. The other ones would like him but don't have the money. Rogers has the money.

 

[shack]

So let him get it, in the open market, then!!

And it will be the Jays' loss.

 

[Ref]

I was born before 1977----LMAO Like I said in the other Jays thread, I was even at the Jays franchise opening day game on April 7/1977, at the old exhibition stadium. The game was against the chicago white sox, and the hero of the game was Doug Ault, who hit 2 home runs. It was also snowing heavily that day. Fun times, indeed!!

That is pretty cool.

I was too young at that time however the clips of that game are fun to watch - See below:

 

[Ref]

I think that Vlady is at his highest value the Blue Jays will ever see. Which is why I would trade him now.

* He has made it clear that he wants to try free agency. Jays return = 2025 season. One season and he is gone (That one season could be a good one though...)
* The distraction around him and the team will be a pain in the ass for all the players, especially if they know he wants to leave.
* In reality do the Jays have much of a chance this year, even to make the play-offs?
* So many big time contracts come with such a short term return. Is it worth it to be saddled with years of salary costs when a player is well past their prime?
* May be worth getting some young proven, or very promising talent/prospects in exchange for Vlady.

As much as Vlady is a nice, fun and productive ball player now - I really do not see him being an effective top/elite player after 2 - 3 years.

I hope I am wrong as I do like him as an athlete.

Just looking at the situation from a business perspective.