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ONCE C-36 is Law ..... Where will you Guys prefer INCALL?? HOTEL OR CONDO ?

What will be preferred type of INCALL Location?

  • CONDO

    Votes: 55 37.9%
  • HOTEL

    Votes: 46 31.7%
  • MAKES NO DIFFERENCE

    Votes: 44 30.3%

  • Total voters
    145

squeezer

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Source for this assertion?

If the charge was a summary offense (non-indictable) it would quite literally change everything. Generally, if you can afford to hobby then you're in a position to be unconcerned about any reasonably sane monetary fine. Kind of like if you can afford a car, you can generally afford to risk ~$300 fine for speeding 120 on the 401.

What nobody can afford is an indictable conviction and the associated criminal record. It is a financial death sentence for the vast majority of working people. Even if you are completely independently wealthy, it still fucks up your life in regards to travel and etc.

To go back to the speeding analogy, take a look at 50km/hr over - potential fine of $10,000 and vehicle impound costs. Yet people regularly risk it and do get caught doing it. If they were to make it indictable (criminal record result) I would bet nobody with anything to lose would ever do it again, period.

So where did you see anything concrete stating that charges on buyers would be summary offenses? Please post link.
This is exactly why bill 36 must be stopped and it drives me crazy when people make it sounds like meh, it's not a big deal.
 

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If the charge was a summary offense (non-indictable) it would quite literally change everything. Generally, if you can afford to hobby then you're in a position to be unconcerned about any reasonably sane monetary fine.
While a summary conviction for prostitution is certainly better than an indictable offense, it would still make you permanently inadmissible to the United States and a number of other countries.
 

squeezer

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What is C Law 36 first of all?
This is exactly it, most have no idea of what's coming. The daytime talk shows are silent on it because most are right wing supporters except for Humble and Fred who occasionally speak up but most are silent.
 

wilbur

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What nobody can afford is an indictable conviction and the associated criminal record.
A summary conviction (as opposed to be indicted), still lands you with a criminal record. Any conviction for Criminal Code of Canada offenses gets you a criminal record.

That $500 fine then turns out to be a $10,000 monster, as that's the amount of money you have to dish out to a lawyer to get you out of trouble. When your lawyer gets the charges thrown out, you don't get reimbursed for your legal fees. But that's what it's worth for not being stuck with a criminal record, and all the problems associated with it: loss of passport, can't travel outside Canada, may lose your job, loss of firearms.
 

tegR

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A summary conviction (as opposed to be indicted), still lands you with a criminal record. Any conviction for Criminal Code of Canada offenses gets you a criminal record.

That $500 fine then turns out to be a $10,000 monster, as that's the amount of money you have to dish out to a lawyer to get you out of trouble. When your lawyer gets the charges thrown out, you don't get reimbursed for your legal fees. But that's what it's worth for not being stuck with a criminal record, and all the problems associated with it: loss of passport, can't travel outside Canada, may lose your job, loss of firearms.
Yes, this is of course true if its CCC then its record inducing and life destroying regardless of summary vs indictable. I thought perhaps OP was referring to some sort of non-record summary thing (provincial offense etc) since he was referring to it being a sufficiently irrelevant charge that courts would simply throw it out on first sign of contest like a parking ticket.

What in hell is a conservative government thinking when they create laws that if enforced even very poor will over time knock hundreds or thousands of working guys with decent jobs (who can afford a $300/hr hobby) out of the work force and onto the welfare rolls? Not to mention the costly detour through the justice system on the way down. All to deter and punish a no-harm consensual act.

Disgraceful. Spend my taxes elsewhere or risk my me and my money going elsewhere I say.
 
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Personally I would continue to offer in calls through a beautiful, private condo. I would probably stop providing outcalls to first-time clients, and only offer them to repeat clients whom I can trust. In face of the proposed bill #36, that suggests the criminalization of clients (of which I highly oppose), I would feel more uncomfortable attending to outcalls to private residences.

I would probably provide in calls to a hotel if I am touring other cities- again so that I can control the space and can ensure a quality and safe experience for the both of us.

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If you offer incalls make sure that there is no cops car parked outside of your place to arrest clients leaving your house.
How do you come up with this idea that the cops can just arrest some guy for being at the house of a known prostitute??? So cops are going to arrest FRIENDS / FAMILY MEMBERS / HANDY MEN & the like for showing up to some Ladies house who works as S.P. ???? NOT A CHANCE!!!
 

whitewaterguy

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Out call to my place. Very safe. I only deal with ladies that I know.
Yes. Seems like the way to go. Are there any ladies in particular who you have, since becoming a Terb member, recommended to fellow Terbites in previous threads, or alternately if you've never actually posted an escort review, would you consider doing so????, kinda to help us all out. So,either way, link us up,:)
 

Titalian

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I don't know what the issue is here is, unless you are married, which makes it, a little more complicated, My suggestion to you is to
find providers that cater from their homes. Mind you, that does require a very esablished trust factor between you and her. But that
will eliminate the possibility of ever getting caught unless the condo or house is under survielence which I doubt very much.
And even if they did walk in which they couldn't do,without a search warrant. The answer to the question thet ask are "This is my old boyfriend.
Make sure both of you have your real names in syc. They won't have a choice other than to walk out.
 

Titalian

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Cops aren't dumb, they know who is her boyfriend if she has one and who is her client, and having 10 different clients visiting her every day they cannot all pretend to be former boyfriends.
Have you watched the video about swedish cops arresting that guy, he also tried to play that game.
Do you know what your talking about here ?? Surveillance !!!!! Do you realise how expensive that is, especially, for this sort of crime.
 

whitewaterguy

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Do you know what your talking about here ?? Surveillance !!!!! Do you realise how expensive that is, especially, for this sort of crime.
The OPP had a massage parlour in Trenton (the Silver Star) under surveillance for about 6 weeks, prior to bursting in and shutting her down. Found out as, one of the surveillance dudes who I know professionally, saw me go in a few times, then was kind enough to contact me off the record to let me know I shouldn't be seen there

The police in fact do engage in surveillance..stop kidding yourself
 

lovelatinas

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Well they do it in Sweden sometimes as in this video above, they just select one sex worker as a bait ( put under surveillance as you said ) and then they just park outside her house and arrest dozens of her clients. They need to show the public that they are enforcing this law ( Bill c-36).
That's because in Sweden they have low crime rates, so they have nothing better to do than catch Johns.
 

lovelatinas

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The OPP had a massage parlour in Trenton (the Silver Star) under surveillance for about 6 weeks, prior to bursting in and shutting her down. Found out as, one of the surveillance dudes who I know professionally, saw me go in a few times, then was kind enough to contact me off the record to let me know I shouldn't be seen there

The police in fact do engage in surveillance..stop kidding yourself
That's Trenton. Small town. Low crime. Police have nothing better to do. Toronto is a different story.
 

Titalian

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Well they do it in Sweden sometimes as in this video above, they just select one sex worker as a bait ( put under surveillance as you said ) and then they just park outside her house and arrest dozens of her clients. They need to show the public that they are enforcing this law ( Bill c-36).
So now, Who to choose for the crime. You realise you need a court order to get approval for this, with adequate proof, right???
 

whitewaterguy

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That's Trenton. Small town. Low crime. Police have nothing better to do. Toronto is a different story.
Not small town cops...opp..and it was a joint project between them and an Asian crime unit out of Toronto.. had it been a two-bit small town deal, a judge would never have issued a warrant

The OPPs Asians crime unit in Toronto, isn't spending their time monitoring the importation of illegal fortune cookies. If your doing anything involving Asians and sex, in Toronto, there's a good chance you could be under surveillance, so I've been told, by a fella who kinda likes me, and at the time wished me not to lose my career nor family. ;)

So once this new Bill passes, I suspect Asian lovers could be at increased risk of Big Brother interventions

I might add, the OPP have been adding a significant number of experienced female detectives to their Asian crime unit...deduce what you wish from that, but it sorta plays right into the new Bill in my view.
 
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