ONCE C-36 is Law ..... Where will you Guys prefer INCALL?? HOTEL OR CONDO ?

[Titalian]

Not small town cops...opp..and it was a joint project between them and an Asian crime unit out of Toronto.. had it been a two-bit small town deal, a judge would never have issued a warrant

The OPPs Asians crime unit in Toronto, isn't spending their time monitoring the importation of illegal fortune cookies. If your doing anything involving Asians and sex, in Toronto, there's a good chance you could be under surveillance, so I've been told, by a fella who kinda likes me, and at the time wished me not to lose my career nor family.

So once this new Bill passes, I suspect Asian lovers could be at increased risk of Big Brother interventions

I might add, the OPP have been adding a significant number of experienced female detectives to their Asian crime unit...deduce what you wish from that, but it sorta plays right into the new Bill in my view.

Where did you come accoss this type, of info ???

 

[whitewaterguy]

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Where did you come accoss this type, of info ???

Re-read my post. Maybe a little bit more slowly, like word for word...#63:Eek:

 

[whitewaterguy]

That's Trenton. Small town. Low crime. Police have nothing better to do. Toronto is a different story.

That's a pretty uninformed non evidence based comment on your part. If you check out Statscan crime rate value rankings, the incidences of violent crimes in Trenton (Quinte West ) far outrank Toronto. I guess you simply haven't much of a clue what goes on beyond the borders of Scarborough Don't feel bad, it's not an uncommon geo-centric handicap you have there

 

[lovelatinas]

Not small town cops...opp..and it was a joint project between them and an Asian crime unit out of Toronto.. had it been a two-bit small town deal, a judge would never have issued a warrant

The OPPs Asians crime unit in Toronto, isn't spending their time monitoring the importation of illegal fortune cookies. If your doing anything involving Asians and sex, in Toronto, there's a good chance you could be under surveillance, so I've been told, by a fella who kinda likes me, and at the time wished me not to lose my career nor family.

So once this new Bill passes, I suspect Asian lovers could be at increased risk of Big Brother interventions

I might add, the OPP have been adding a significant number of experienced female detectives to their Asian crime unit...deduce what you wish from that, but it sorta plays right into the new Bill in my view.

Good thing I stay away from those Asian agencies.

 

[whitewaterguy]

Good thing I stay away from those Asian agencies.

Yup....from a policing perspective, since they already have an established unit, the Bill might be just the green light they need to bring it on......note...that's merely my opinion, hobby at your own risk based on your own personal comfort level

 

[Titalian]

Re-read my post. Maybe a little bit more slowly, like word for word...#63:Eek:

I opoligise, I missed that. But is it not a fact that the Asian cominity are somewhat quilty for crimes that involved exploiting young women, and importing them??
In this case, I agree, with the increase of LE !!!

 

[wilbur]

I opoligise, I missed that. But is it not a fact that the Asian cominity are somewhat quilty for crimes that involved exploiting young women, and importing them??
In this case, I agree, with the increase of LE !!!

I can't understand a young woman from China being forced to come to Canada against her own free will. It has to be a choice decision because it's so much lucrative (and exciting) to come to Canada than working in a MP or brothel in China. There are lots of them. There is an estimated 4 million prostitutes in China, and it's actually illegal. Police do occasionally do large-scale crackdowns, and sex-workers are stigmatized and return home in shame when they're caught... after they get out of jail. A lot of them don't get paid very much also, and in the large brothels in the South, they get fined for all kinds of things. But coming to Canada must be like hitting the jackpot, especially since a lot of them like Canadians much better than locals, and there's also the chance of being able to stay here; just about all told me they were here to make a stash of money so they can start a business back home, or buy a house in their home town.

It there are so many trafficked women out there, are they actually working for agencies that advertise here on TERB, or are most Asian MP's in Toronto and Vancouver staffed with people working against their will?

One thing I found about Chinese culture is: they can bargain hard but once closed, but a deal is a deal. I think they know exactly what they get into when they go into the trade.

 

[Toronto`s Finest]

They don't need a proof to arrest someone, just a suspicion ( leaving the premises of a known prostitute) is enough for the cops . It's the job of the judge later to prove it.
Also they don't need a search warrant for that because they aren't entering her private house they are just parked outside and watching clients coming in and leaving.

" SUSPICION " is not good enough. Need PROBABLE CAUSE . Sooo this cannot just be applied to ALL MALES. These males could be friends / handy men etc. So it is to broad an application & predjudice to arrest all males. IN FACT both in CANADA & the United States SEARCH WARRENTS & ARRESTS based on Association with, time spent with known criminals HAS BEEN DENIED !!! Judges & Courts have required more specific evidence the 2 parties were engaged in a crime. MORE EVIDENCE REQUIRED!!! AND WHAT PROOF??? Purely based on association is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. For example cops cannot arrest everyone that associates with a known drug dealer. EVEN IN United States this NEVER HAPPENS. They cannot apply the law in this manner. THEY CAN stop and ask ..... BUT you are NOT required to say anything except proof of your identity if asked.

 

[Toronto`s Finest]

They do that in Sweden ( as in the video) and Bill c-36 was borrowed from Sweden, so there is also good chance to enforce it the same way they do in Sweden: Just park outside an incall place and arrest clients leaving.
If that was doable in Sweden, it would be doable in Canada.

I had NOT finished updating my posting. Please read .... In CANADA & America arrests & Search warrents have been DENIED Based on pure association. This is CASE LAW !!! Judges & Courts have required FURTHER PROOF as to a crime being committed ..... NOT just based on association / time spent together. SORRY I don't know the standards required in other Countries but I do know the CASE LAW in North America. In both Countries Police can stop & ask BUT cannot make arrest or search warrents based on 2 people associating or spending time together ..... MORE PROOF NEEDED. Don't believe me??? Ask a Lawyer
P.S. You will Not find any case in the news in America were cops just sat outside a known prostitutes place & arrested guys. They set up undercover cop in a Hotel room to get guys to come in & they record video & audio to get REQUIRED PROOF that guy was there engaging in Prostitution

 

[Toronto`s Finest]

They don't need a search warrant for that as long as they don't get in to their house, they are just parked outside. Also you don't need a warrant from a judge to arrest someone in North America.

I was referring to warrant ....search warrent ... not arrest. I am not going to argue with you. This is clear cut .... based on past case law ..... NO one is ever arrested based only on association / time spent with another individual. MORE PROOF of some activity of a crime being committed. Again I say I do not know & do not care what other Countries do. Makes NO sense . Their standards of requirements for evidence to arrest could be different. I do know North America Law is based on British Common Law
You can easily ask Lawyer if your association with known prostitute is basis for you being arrested IF you are that worried & soooo much think it is.

 

[Toronto`s Finest]

I might be wrong but I think that Swedish legal system is very similar to British. Are you assuming that their Nordic model which bill c-36 borrowed isn't enforceable in Canada because canadian police has less power than swedish cops ?

I am making clear ALL LAWS , Not just for C-36 In North America REQUIRE specific EVIDENCE of a crime being committed before any arrest. This has been so pushed & tested in United States with TRYING to arrest associates of known Organized Crime Figures. Even the F.B.I. pushed this. In Canada & America any attempt was thrown out. Cops cannot arrest based on time spent or association with another individual. Specific evidence of criminal activity is required. ...... THERFORE the cops in America set up a female cop in a Hotel room. Guys come in the room responding to an ad. Guys talk ... video & audio recording showing PROOF guys agrees to pay for sex
Cops can stop & ask question. You have right to remain silent But must identify yourself.

 

[Hailey♥4U]

perhaps the lady (sp) can keep a personal ad online for casual sex.
very rarely would the girl in this situation use her real name.
prove otherwise?

it's early...I'm just beginning to start my day. At this moment it makes sense.

Usually I don't agree with TF....but what may be tolerated in Sweden will in no way happen here.

Where's a lawyer or a very knowledgeable person (on terb) who can confirm or deny this particular issue?

 

[Hailey♥4U]

I might be wrong but I think that Swedish legal system is very similar to British. Are you assuming that their Nordic model which bill c-36 borrowed isn't enforceable in Canada because canadian police has less power than swedish cops ?

In the UK, isn't prostitution legal with stipulations of course?

 

[SexyFriendsTO]

Hello!

Just want to say a few things. Back in the 90s it was even more stricter then the bill c-36 from what I remember and escort agency's still existed. You can call it companionship and it becomes fully legal. I agree that it will hurt independent ladies which sucks. Clients will only go to the ones which are well reviewed. So all of the backpage ladies except the well known ones will be having a hard time booking appointments because guys will think that its under cover cops . Agencies can advertise escorts as strippers in the sections under stripping or simply as female companions without mentioning full service,bbbj etc. Why do you think there was more money in this business back in the 90s? Because there was more risk involved and the prices were much higher due to the risk so the girls and agency's made more money and it was less competition because of the risk. Once it becomes fully legal as it is right now it creates more competition. It will be pretty much same thing as before just no fine or jail time for the girls. Just call it companionship and re register your business

Thanks. SFToronto

 

[SexyFriendsTO]

I had internet Sure there was in the late 90s. And laws are laws. You dont have to advertise as prostitution. You can advertise as simple companionship.That's what they do all over the world.

 

[Toronto`s Finest]

But in this case: A stranger visiting a reputable sex worker place, I don't know if this can called association. To associate with someone means to have some kind of relationship : Friend or relative. A client visiting a sex worker doesn't have any relationship with her, she's just providing a service to a stranger.
So arresting a stranger visiting a sex worker condo and who has no association with her is a probable cause.

They do Not know you, have no specific info as to what association you have. Have no info as to your reason for being there. NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE FOR AN ARREST. They can STOP & ASK QUESTIONS. They could try to intimidate & hope you incriminate yourself .... give cops truth to what & why you were there..... then YOU just cause YOURSELF to be arrested ...YOU gave them the evidence!!!!

 

[katsrin]

This is exactly how they do in Sweden, if you don't believe me this a video from swedish TV filming swedish cops arresting clients just for being seen leaving the house of a known prostitute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OofRzb5gDBE
The guy arrested in this video tried to play that game ( pretending visiting a friend), it didn't work out with swedish cops.

I think there was a little more to the story in this case than simply that cops were targeting a condo.

The cops were there because another potential sex buyer had suspicions that the girl operating out of the condo was a victim of an organized trafficking ring, and contacted the police.

I don't think any of us (hopefully) would complain if that was how cops operated here.

 

[Hailey♥4U]

I had internet Sure there was in the late 90s. And laws are laws. You dont have to advertise as prostitution. You can advertise as simple companionship.That's what they do all over the world.

and the girl is allowed to say what the client will get for his money but if she is an under cover cop and he says to her what he wants (sex) for his money he will get arrested.

Guys don't be baited. Just be smart.

I can't imagine cops going to set up an agency but stranger things have happened.

[h=2]Poll[/h]

[h=2]Sex workers are...[/h]
Saturday, September 13, 2014

10% 18 votes	Victims who need help.
8% 15 votes	Criminals who deserve punishment.
69% 127 votes	Professionals in the service industry.
13% 23 votes	None of the above.

from....http://www.theobserver.ca/2014/09/0...ckay-calls-prostitution-bill-a-paradigm-shift

 

[Hailey♥4U]

I read in another forum that there is a workaround it in the US. It isn't illegal in the US to pay for a strip dance, therefore guys ask her to start with a strip dance to make sure she isn't an undercover cop who is less likely to get undressed just to arrest a client.

that's basically how they do it in Vegas.
But if you ever watch COPS...it usually doesn't turn out well.

Heidi Fleiss got arrested because a Samoan cop pretended to be Japanese and got the girls to talk about services while he pretended not to understand, getting the girls to speak more explicitly.

 

[titscrazy]

Condo and I'll stay with a regular SP. The hunting days are finished.:frown: