I'm inclined to feel sorry for him but once that sentiment quickly wears off I don't. As a criminal trying to support yourself you have to know there is simply no greater human violation than entering a strangers home in the middle of the night armed and potentially hovering over them in their bed. You wake up to that, any way you react in that moment is primal and what ever happens, happens.
Ontario man faces charges after allegedly assaulting home intruder: police
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The charged was AGGRAVATED assault and assault with a weapon. They only use that when it's beyond the norm. Add in the aforementioned airlift and life threatening injuries and it looks indeed like the home owner went too far.
These B+E guys are usually cowards. The owner could have cowed him, chased him off, or even taken out a knee with a bat and not got charged. Life threatening injuries probably means multiple head shots or a body beating so bad internal organs are damaged.
The burglar is paying a price. But normal responsible people have a duty to try to stay that way.
This.
You have the right to defend yourself with equal force and as soon as the force is minimal, the defence needs to be. And as soon as he tries to flee, you need to stop.
So if yelling would have worked to get the burglar out, and you beat the shit out of him instead - you are wrong.
I get the emotions involved. You are pissed off someone had the nerve to do this. You feel no empathy for them because they are a low life but this is not about emotion.
You're making a lot of assumptions about the confrontation that took place and asking a citizen to wake up out of a dead sleep to find their life threatened with a weapon and then expecting them to administer a 'measured and reasonable physical response' is beyond unrealistic. For all we know the home owner hit him with a stick at the top of a staircase and his injuries were endured by rolling down the staircase. Regardless the laws in this country are written at the detriment of the victim. I applaud the homeowner and the more this happens the closer we get to the change required to allow you to protect yourself on your own terms. This wasn't a street fight, it was an armed attack in the sanctity of ones home in the middle of the night.
Honestly I'm not sure how I would react either. Especially if I had family in the house or if the perp came at me. I tend to be cool headed in a crisis but have popped off on occasion when I felt threatened or was in a situation where someone's negligence could have harmed me.
Never with overt violence(a few shoves, I have put a few up against the wall to make a point) but pretty close a few times. Point being I did stop.
I agree with you, but when the adrenaline starts pumping it becomes harder for people to control themselves, especially when they're defending their home.
Add to that, we don't know how hard the burglar was fighting back.
Maybe he didn't go down with just one or two punches
We shall see how it plays out in court. I will trust the justice system and a jury to sort it out
So you find an armed intruder hovering over your newborns crib with a knife in his hand and your approach is to 'give him a few shoves'? Like 'get out of here you pesky armed intruder'?
That's our last line of defense. No jury on the planet would convict. Even if the guys dies.
If someone is on meth punches are equivalent to mosquito bites.
Um, no, he is dead. And the cops wouldn't charge then either as its defending a kids life. I was speaking about a few times when someone tried to get fresh with my SO. An incident with a car driver when I was on my bike, and he was in the wrong. A few bar incidents with drunks.So you find an armed intruder hovering over your newborns crib with a knife in his hand and your approach is to 'give him a few shoves'? Like 'get out of here you pesky armed intruder'?
In this case we don't know all the details. And probably won't until if/when trial comes up. Thats why I said I will trust a jury.
Case in point. In 2020 a professional UFC fighter named Anthony Smith (who went 5 rounds with Jon Jones once) had his home burglarized.
Smith is one of the toughest fighters on the planet and weighs 205 lbs. The home invader weighed only 170 lbs, but was strung out on drugs.
Smith couldnt believe how strong the burglar was, and how it took every single punch he had to put him down.
He called it "one the toughest fight he ever had".
Fun read: https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id...s-home-intruder-man-charged-criminal-trespass
I believe the perpetrator was a D1 wrestler as well.
An excellent case in point. How is an average citizen supposed to be able to gauge their physical response when there are so many factors at play in the midst of absolute chaos. There is literally no better quote to sum up a situation like this than 'shoot first, ask questions later...'
You can laugh all you want. I was just stating the law. Some criminals you can scare out if the house just by yelling and if that is all it takes, that is all you are allowed to do. Period."HEY YOU! GET THE HELL OUT OF MY HOUSE!
I hear you. I have been in that situation and sadly as a woman against a man, I lost. It is not a good place to be. If I was a man going against a man with some equal power, how far would I go? I don't know. Adrenaline gets in you and thinking goes out the window most times. At least I would think.
The key is stopping yourself as soon as you see you have gained the upper hand. So when the adrenaline switches to anger is the point you stop.
Well I hope you never have to find out if yelling works but if you do please report back with your results.
We have all seen video clips things like this. So yes. It can happen. I’m not saying it works all the time or half the time or a quarter of the time; I’m saying if you start yelling, which is the first thing most do as they are getting into fight mode, and the guy turns arounds and runs - you can’t chase him down and get a few shots in. You can chase him down and hold him there but you can’t hit him.
And if he hits you while you are holding him and then you hit him, you will still legally be found in the wrong. Because you went after him and at that point, he is considered defending himself.
I am not saying I agree with it. I’m just telling you guys what the law is. You need to take it up with the powers that be if you want that changed. You won’t, you will just bitch and moan on a review board but that is the way the law works in these situations. So you can get mad at the facts but not at me for pointing them out.
Oh and it my case, yelling didn’t work. The cowards partner hit me in the back of the head and continued to hit me once I went down. So I’m not activating yelling. Again, I’m just stating the law.
