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destillat

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Now that he is finally gone off why not wait until he gets back and see what desicions he makes before automatically assuming the worst.
Because of his reasons for finally doing what he should have done months ago.
Do you think he had another 'come to Jesus' moment and realized that he has hit rock bottom and needs help?
Fuck no... a HUGE shit storm was heading towards him that he could not bullshit his way out of, so in typical douchebag fashion, he runs.
 

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This whole Rob Ford trainwreck seems so surreal.

Sometimes I have to pinch myself to make sure its really happening
 

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In a perfect world yes. But get your head out of the sand and realize that Ford, assuming he will still run, will get a lot of votes. It is reality.
So what are YOU going to do knowing this?
I know...you will vote for Tory and believe that he will win...then feel sad when Chow wins and spend the next 4 years emptying your pockets for the avalanche of taxes that will come.
It's your choice.
I am quite sure that Chow will make a good mayor. So would Tory or Stintz.

I have no problem at all with Ford coronating Olivia by staying on the ballot. We both know he can't win, he will get his 20 or 25 percent, cockblock Tory, and Chow will win.

Ford staying in the race is an absolute gift to the left. Chow vs Tory would be a battle of ideas, the voters would get to decide between two fairly different but valid views of the city. If Ford is on the ballot he will bleed the stupid right wing vote away and Tory can't win with only the intelligent right.
 

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In a perfect world yes. But get your head out of the sand and realize that Ford, assuming he will still run, will get a lot of votes. It is reality.
So what are YOU going to do knowing this?
I know...you will vote for Tory and believe that he will win...then feel sad when Chow wins and spend the next 4 years emptying your pockets for the avalanche of taxes that will come.
It's your choice.
I'm not so sure about Ford getting a lot of votes.

I think his polling numbers showed him in third prior to this latest and greatest fiasco. There was no way in hell he was ever going to GAIN votes. Those not voting for him were REALLY not voting for him. Ever. There is no way that Fordo would convince those opposed to him to ever vote for him.

And now the latest fiasco. It is sure to drive away people who were going to vote for him. They were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but not any more. He just showed that he's in deep.
 

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I'm not so sure about Ford getting a lot of votes.

I think his polling numbers showed him in third prior to this latest and greatest fiasco. There was no way in hell he was ever going to GAIN votes. Those not voting for him were REALLY not voting for him. Ever. There is no way that Fordo would convince those opposed to him to ever vote for him.

And now the latest fiasco. It is sure to drive away people who were going to vote for him. They were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but not any more. He just showed that he's in deep.
In a perfect world he continues to run and splits the right wing vote, taking about 10% of it and making it clear his political career is over and he can go back to sticking magnets on cars.
Then we never hear from him again.
In a perfect world.
 

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I'm not so sure about Ford getting a lot of votes.

I think his polling numbers showed him in third prior to this latest and greatest fiasco. There was no way in hell he was ever going to GAIN votes. Those not voting for him were REALLY not voting for him. Ever. There is no way that Fordo would convince those opposed to him to ever vote for him.

And now the latest fiasco. It is sure to drive away people who were going to vote for him. They were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but not any more. He just showed that he's in deep.
Exactly...we felt sorry for him and saw him like the barer of our flaws I think or something like that..lol

I lost final respect for him when I saw him throwing candy at children like at chickens...I liked that he personally fixed two problems I had and come to see me when he was councilor. One was paving an eroded path to ravine where a lot of kids used to trip and city ignored for years and the other was he brought a new garbage bin to my place to replace a damaged one. That was kind of cool...but can't give him any more support no way for me.

They only way I see him turning this around if he sticks with the program, looses the weight (yes I know in theory should not matter but is more symbolic) and starts doing charity event after charity event and just keeps at it till election time and actually starts making a difference to people. This is almost impossible and the crack has a large strangle on him and the pressure of his position and his screw ups keep pushing him back into a downward spiral.

What does this have to do with politics or his ability to do the job, not much, but people will always love a robin hood type of a fella.
 
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Butler1000

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Because of his reasons for finally doing what he should have done months ago.
Do you think he had another 'come to Jesus' moment and realized that he has hit rock bottom and needs help?
Fuck no... a HUGE shit storm was heading towards him that he could not bullshit his way out of, so in typical douchebag fashion, he runs.
Actually I think he was in denial up to this point. And may still be. Hell we don't even know if he is actually in a rehab at this point. I'm not naïve. I've dealt with an addict quite closely. I am at best skeptical as it usually takes a few drops to the bottom.

This may have been the one that takes. No one knows. And I certainly won't be an enabler or voting for him.

But I won't kick him while he is down either. He is still first a human being with a family. That's what matters immediately. Maybe it took the "shitstorm" to finally break him. Lots of time left until oct 27 for him to drop out.

Hate isn't going to solve the problem. I don't "hate" politicians no matter how much I disagree with them. And having the city verbally throwing rotten fruit at him won't help either.

Ignoring him and concentrating on the candidates is a far better use of time and energy. I so wish a debate would occur while he is out so we could see them without Ford and get a better sense of them all.
 

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Even with regards to Doug.. You have to wonder about a guy who claims to be all about "smart business" and then donates his salary. What's his angle?

Even if it's out of the goodness of his heart, it begs the question, is he really that irrelevant at his own business that they can afford to not have him around at all and still pay him enough money so that he can do shit like buy his brother a car? I run a small business (perhaps 5% of the size of Deco Labels and Tags) and it's largely a full-time job..

Maybe Doug really has very little to do with the ongoing success of Deco Labels and Tags..

Alternatively, maybe Doug Ford isn't putting in a full days work as a councilor..
Doug gets a nice tax break for donating that salary. Definitely not doing it out of the goodness of his heart.
 

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He skipped work for it and then embarrassed everyone by being banned from the school for belligerent and threatening behavior.
Ahhh yes. That's right. I thought kirk was referring to his love of the sport.
 

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While I understand a lot of crowing at this point let's remember he is still a human being who has finally taken the first step. It a long road and certainly doesn't mean he is fit for office at this point. But I won't wish him ill.

Remember his opponent in the last election went through the exact same thing, had a husband who presumably died due to substance abuse issues, and is now trying to open a medical pot facility.

A bit more common than many would think.

Now that he is finally gone off why not wait until he gets back and see what desicions he makes before automatically assuming the worst.
Let's not forget his problems aren't just the drinking and the drugs, but that as the Sun headline says, Ford is racist sexist homophobic and a month's vacation won't change this.

I've known a few addicts and 4 weeks without partying won't mean he's cured 30 years of alcohol and drug abuse. He will return and there will be another binge long before the election rolls around.

Since it's taken Ford a year to even admit to having a problem Olivia Chow's next campaign slogan should be, "In another year, Ford will realize he was wrong about transit too".
 

Butler1000

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Let's not forget his problems aren't just the drinking and the drugs, but that as the Sun headline says, Ford is racist sexist homophobic and a month's vacation won't change this.

I've known a few addicts and 4 weeks without partying won't mean he's cured 30 years of alcohol and drug abuse. He will return and there will be another binge long before the election rolls around.

Since it's taken Ford a year to even admit to having a problem Olivia Chow's next campaign slogan should be, "In another year, Ford will realize he was wrong about transit too".
Like a stated I'm skeptical. But let's not wish him ill.

And people can change. Especially attitudes like Ford's. Hell I was Homophopic until I started working in restaurants downtown in the late 80's. Now I can say I was at Pride in the early 90's when it was a protest march and not a street party.

All I'm saying is at this point give him the 30 days (or however long he is gone) and then see what comes. If he is still an ass(good possibility) then fine. But if this is the beginning of his changing then no matter his politics to you he deserves(like any human being) the chance to make himself a better person.

Just not as Mayor.

Remember Smitherman? Did you state anywhere he wasn't qualified due do his usage? His anger issues(his staff called him Furious George)?

Don't get me wrong. If he continues to run then have at him. But at least the media should lay off until his return. No hunting for him. Let him at least try. And instead consentrate on the real candidates and their policies, giving them the airing they deserve.
 

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Like a stated I'm skeptical. But let's not wish him ill.

And people can change. Especially attitudes like Ford's. Hell I was Homophopic until I started working in restaurants downtown in the late 80's. Now I can say I was at Pride in the early 90's when it was a protest march and not a street party.

All I'm saying is at this point give him the 30 days (or however long he is gone) and then see what comes. If he is still an ass(good possibility) then fine. But if this is the beginning of his changing then no matter his politics to you he deserves(like any human being) the chance to make himself a better person.

Just not as Mayor.

Remember Smitherman? Did you state anywhere he wasn't qualified due do his usage? His anger issues(his staff called him Furious George)?

Don't get me wrong. If he continues to run then have at him. But at least the media should lay off until his return. No hunting for him. Let him at least try. And instead consentrate on the real candidates and their policies, giving them the airing they deserve.
No quarter for this sad, disgraceful excuse of a man.

There cannot be any doubt remaining for what many of us have known for a long time. And that is that Rob Ford has always been and still is a hateful, spiteful man. Misogynistic, homophobic, racist, bigoted man without a shred of integrity, dignity and honesty.

After his disgusting and self-revealing comments caught on audio at Sullie's , how many will still want to take selfie's with this man now?
 

Insidious Von

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Miller attempted to stand up to the unions and we were in a very messy ordeal, Ford caved. John Tory isn't fit to be Mayor. He is, quoting Marlon Brando "just a clerk here to collect the bill".

And I have no sympathy for drug addicts. They are too deranged to help themselves and they'll cut you off at knees for their next fix. Ford is merely going on vacation, when he returns he'll pick up right where he left off.
 

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In a perfect world he continues to run and splits the right wing vote, taking about 10% of it and making it clear his political career is over and he can go back to sticking magnets on cars.
Then we never hear from him again.
In a perfect world.
In a perfect world all we'd ever have heard is a few of the usual missteps by the clownish, but well-liked Etobicoke Councillor.
 

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According to your friends at the Star, his attendance was pretty good compared to others.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...dance_better_than_lateterm_david_millers.html

Question is, what were the others doing when they weren't there?

Is it really coaching kids football on taxpayer time that's your issue...or is it just another stone?

The guy returns hundreds of calls well after business hours...is that not considered work?

Bash him all you want, but let's keep things in context here. He is a very fiscally responsible mayor regardless of his bad habits in his personal life.
Your cited link puts Ford's attendance squarely in the middle. It's only "……pretty good" if that's how you score dead average.

We may not know what other Councillors were doing when they weren't there, but they haven't been recorded as meeting and exchanging packages and envelopes with drug dealers, pissing in parks, smoking crack, lying about and then admitting to drunken stupors, abusing members of the public, his so-called friends, and fellow Council members …. The list goes on. If others were up to similar discreditable and disgusting behaviour, I'm sure there'd be plenty of interest.

Doing the Mayor's job properly wouldn't leave much time for any personal activities, including coaching football, especially not in the hours when he's being paid to be on the job. He can't claim privacy for his personal life if he can't keep personal and private life separate.

It may or may not be true that he returns all his calls, a couple of my acquaintances are still waiting. But the ones he boast about taking care of have all been minor matters like potholes, that an efficient and properly funded Works Department would take care of without the CEO telling them to. And we'll politely ignore the calls seeking special treatment for him and his. In any case, taxpayer complaints are more properly the local Councillor's responsibility. Still, I guess it's kinda sweet Rob's still trying to do the only real job he's ever had or done at all well. Sweet but hardly good enough to make him a real Mayor. What any City or corporation needs is a CEO who manages an efficient, quality operation and gets the departments the operating funds necessary to do their work without such micro-bandaiding.

No fiscal responsibility has been demonstrated, but a lot of unkept promises about such stuff are still out there. Taxes are going up, service fees and charges are going up, departments are doing less, planning is a hopeless mess, and the elected leader is a lying drug-using drunkard whose worst failing is believing he can do it all himself. Whether it's coaching, leading Council, keeping promises, or being responsible for himself and his family his record is incompetence and one sad failure after another.
 

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Anyone willing to give odds there will be a Ford on the ballot for Mayor, just not the one currently listed?
 

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I hope he can talk himself out of it and gain sympathy votes. Bill Clinton was in deeper water.
 

james t kirk

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The one thing that I read that actually gave me pause about Ford was when he himself stated (while drunk), "my wife and kids hate me"

That's a tough one.

Mind you, I understand why they would hate him, but still, you can't help but feel a bit for the guy.
 

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I know you and Jack Burton are passionate about the LRT, so I can take the heat over subway talk he he. BTW, I was in Dallas last November and that's all they have (apart from buses) and they work fine (I've ridden them in a previous trip to a few places). Dallas is perhaps the most redneck cosmopolitan city in the USA, so it's got nothing to do with whether one is pro-car or pro-transit. They even have dedicated some roads solely for LRTs (like the one that runs behind the Sixth Floor Museum aka The Texas School Book Depository). I suppose it has everything to do with sound economics and engineering.
I'll concede one thing about the LRT. A proper (and successful) LRT requires a lot of good planning, and commitment. So, with that in mind, perhaps Toronto ISN'T the best place for an LRT ;).
 
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