Okay must be missing something here.....so what is the point ??? LOL because the perception it gives is someone pissed off about changes caused by cultural diversity. ???
Pakistani Canadians
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Dude, I will graciously sing Happy Hanukkah when I get time off work and paid like everyone else does at Xmas Time. Don't try and take away Merry Christmas because you feel it isn't fair.
I could go on and on but somehow I think you just won't get it.
Now you speak for most Terb members, interesting. I could flip what you just said and say that perhaps you are the prejudice one, but I won't.
Gimme strength.
.......And now, back to our regualr scheduled programming lol.
Let my give you my two cents if I may. I am a non practicing Christian who fled now infamous Islamic Republic of Iran after the so called revoluion and thank God reached Canada and considered mysely blessed and lucky.
Where I was born is "the old countery" now. I am a Canadian now and sometime even more of a Canadian than the ones born here. I love this country, I love HER history, geography and politics (not the politicians).
The trouble with Canada is this blessed "political correctness" that is choking us all. We and I mean we as a society are so brainwashed with political correctness that is making us not respect and/or value what we are for the fear of possibly, God forbid, offending the "new Canadians".
I used to regularly go to this variety store across my apartmant building, for a a couple of weeks I didn't see the owner so I asked the son where his dad was. The answer was "Dad's gone home" and we all know what he meant by "home".
Another time I was talking to a co worker and he mentioned that his wife "had gone home" for vacation and we all know what he meant by "home".
As long as Canada is not HOME for us we will be in this situation. We all remember all those "Canadians" who had to be "rescued" from Lebanon and brought home don't we?
I grew up and was raised in a moslem society but I never made to feel anything but equal and my Armenian culture, language church and traditions were respected just like their own. But all changed when the dear Ayatollah was brought in and the Shah made to leave. That was the beginning of militant Islam which was totally alien to me and majority of us.
If the so called revolution was nat orchastrated and the regime changed, USSR wouldn't have invaded Afghanistan (so no need to support AL Quada), no first Gulf War, no 911, no invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq, no fear from nuclear Iran or Hezbollah or Hamas. And the list goes on.
Islam on its own is not the trouble, the militant Islam is. But as long as the majority of the moslems here in Canada or anywhere else in the world do not oppose hijacking of their religion we have a problem in here and all other western societies and guess what? Because of Political Correctness not much we can do or else we will be branded by the "R" word and called anti immigrant.
I wish anybody who came to Canada stayed here and became a citizen, did so because of the love of this country and HER generous people.
I wish anybody who came to Canada stayed here and became a citizen, did not do so just to milk the system as much as possible and return "home" if the going got tough.
The greatest disservice we are doing to all new or old Canadians is not teaching them our history, traditions and culture as if there are none to be taught or be ashamed of it.
One afternoon last year I was driving back to the office with my then boss (yes I just got laid off). It was around 4:30 PM and we were passing over a bridge on 401 where there were tens and tens of people gathered paying their last respects to a fallen soldier. His ignorant comment was "don't this people have anything better to do than blocking a lane during rush hour?" I couldn't help but tell him if it wasn't for the sacrifices made in 1951-1953 he would have been a rice farmer or worse in Kim Il Sung's country not a business owner in Toronto. (My Comment did not sit well with him at all)
Bottom Line is our fore fathers gave blood for this country to be what it is. We owe it to our fallen in Vimy, Ypres, Somme, Normandy, Holland , Korea and yes even Afghanistan. Lets teach our kids and make sure everybody who comes to our shores learns it too.
This was suppposed to be just two cents worth of my ramblings but went too far. Hope I didnt offend anybody with my political UNcorrectness.
Where I was born is "the old countery" now. I am a Canadian now and sometime even more of a Canadian than the ones born here. I love this country, I love HER history, geography and politics (not the politicians).
The trouble with Canada is this blessed "political correctness" that is choking us all. We and I mean we as a society are so brainwashed with political correctness that is making us not respect and/or value what we are for the fear of possibly, God forbid, offending the "new Canadians".
I used to regularly go to this variety store across my apartmant building, for a a couple of weeks I didn't see the owner so I asked the son where his dad was. The answer was "Dad's gone home" and we all know what he meant by "home".
Another time I was talking to a co worker and he mentioned that his wife "had gone home" for vacation and we all know what he meant by "home".
As long as Canada is not HOME for us we will be in this situation. We all remember all those "Canadians" who had to be "rescued" from Lebanon and brought home don't we?
I grew up and was raised in a moslem society but I never made to feel anything but equal and my Armenian culture, language church and traditions were respected just like their own. But all changed when the dear Ayatollah was brought in and the Shah made to leave. That was the beginning of militant Islam which was totally alien to me and majority of us.
If the so called revolution was nat orchastrated and the regime changed, USSR wouldn't have invaded Afghanistan (so no need to support AL Quada), no first Gulf War, no 911, no invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq, no fear from nuclear Iran or Hezbollah or Hamas. And the list goes on.
Islam on its own is not the trouble, the militant Islam is. But as long as the majority of the moslems here in Canada or anywhere else in the world do not oppose hijacking of their religion we have a problem in here and all other western societies and guess what? Because of Political Correctness not much we can do or else we will be branded by the "R" word and called anti immigrant.
I wish anybody who came to Canada stayed here and became a citizen, did so because of the love of this country and HER generous people.
I wish anybody who came to Canada stayed here and became a citizen, did not do so just to milk the system as much as possible and return "home" if the going got tough.
The greatest disservice we are doing to all new or old Canadians is not teaching them our history, traditions and culture as if there are none to be taught or be ashamed of it.
One afternoon last year I was driving back to the office with my then boss (yes I just got laid off). It was around 4:30 PM and we were passing over a bridge on 401 where there were tens and tens of people gathered paying their last respects to a fallen soldier. His ignorant comment was "don't this people have anything better to do than blocking a lane during rush hour?" I couldn't help but tell him if it wasn't for the sacrifices made in 1951-1953 he would have been a rice farmer or worse in Kim Il Sung's country not a business owner in Toronto. (My Comment did not sit well with him at all)
Bottom Line is our fore fathers gave blood for this country to be what it is. We owe it to our fallen in Vimy, Ypres, Somme, Normandy, Holland , Korea and yes even Afghanistan. Lets teach our kids and make sure everybody who comes to our shores learns it too.
This was suppposed to be just two cents worth of my ramblings but went too far. Hope I didnt offend anybody with my political UNcorrectness.
Christmas is about turning bratlings into greedy materialists, and really who doesn't love stuff
Easter if about chocolate and who doesn't love chocolate
Thanksgiving is about stuffing yourself with turkey and maybe football, and you done have to be a conehead to love the consumption of mass quantities
St Valentines day is a celebration of prostitution through barter, and we can all get behind that.
So really, every supposed christian holiday is pretty inclusive.
I might not believe in fairy tales, but I have no problems with any of these traditions.
Now gimmie my chocolate and turkey and nobody gets hurt.
Easter if about chocolate and who doesn't love chocolate
Thanksgiving is about stuffing yourself with turkey and maybe football, and you done have to be a conehead to love the consumption of mass quantities
St Valentines day is a celebration of prostitution through barter, and we can all get behind that.
So really, every supposed christian holiday is pretty inclusive.
I might not believe in fairy tales, but I have no problems with any of these traditions.
Now gimmie my chocolate and turkey and nobody gets hurt.
I second this sentiment. The best all around people I've met are actually Punjabi and Pakistani people. In fact, I much prefer them to your 'standard' Hindu south asians, who I find way too cliquey ie. they basically don't really care for non-indians. I had a huge crush on a pakistani girl some years ago, but I could only have gone further with her if I'd converted to Islam (damn!!).
What's up with all these recent 'are immigrants with us or against us' thread on terb recently? Immigrants have more balls than most native born canadians for uprooting themselves to re-establish themselves in a completely foreign country where, among other huge challenges, they have to deal with cold unwelcoming local people. Most canucks don't even have the pluck to move to another province, let alone another country.
How about this:
http://www.newstatesman.com/television/2010/08/cousins-marry-children-rare
Somehow we need to bring them forward thru several hundred years of social development in one generation. And not let them kill too many of their women. A challenging task.
http://www.newstatesman.com/television/2010/08/cousins-marry-children-rare
Somehow we need to bring them forward thru several hundred years of social development in one generation. And not let them kill too many of their women. A challenging task.
Wow the flame wars started right up....
The fact of the matter is MOST immigrants are hard working law abiding citzens, there is a small number of criminals in all societies and unfortunatly the do tend to emmigrate a lot , one step ahead of the law so to speak....
Tarring all immigrants with the sins of a few is a racist attitude that really deserves all the scorn that we can apply..
The fact of the matter is MOST immigrants are hard working law abiding citzens, there is a small number of criminals in all societies and unfortunatly the do tend to emmigrate a lot , one step ahead of the law so to speak....
Tarring all immigrants with the sins of a few is a racist attitude that really deserves all the scorn that we can apply..
Thanksgiving and Valentines day aren't Christian holidays. Valentines Day isn't even a holiday. Not to say they aren't inclusive.
I don't think there are any groups of people in Canada that for the most part aren't just regular folks trying to get along like everyone else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Valentine
As for thankgiving, it is secular now, but much like everything back then, it would be religious. "Thanksgiving was historically a religious observation to give thanks to God." Really to be thankful in general modern sense and not to attribute everything to god back then would be considered nutty back then.
Of course if one wanted to be pendantic, one could trace just about every observance to pagan roots it seems.
I don't believe that in the modern sense Thanksgiving is a Christian holiday. It's been a secular holiday since before I was born. Valentines Day as a celebration of love and chocolate isn't a holiday either despite taking a saints name. In Malta they may get a day off but I never have.
My bad if you were alluding to the historical origins of these days. I'll give you some Christian roots (or at least being named after one in the case of V-day).
every pakistani i know hates the west and despises non muslims...out of thousands i know...ppl are naive for beleiving what they see
even pedophiles or murderers are very nice and productive ppl.....having hate and an agenda doesnt necessarily come in the open
but then agian...i only have 1000+ friends/family and community members
even pedophiles or murderers are very nice and productive ppl.....having hate and an agenda doesnt necessarily come in the open
but then agian...i only have 1000+ friends/family and community members
Actually, you didn't go far enough.
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves with our little history lesson. We should start at the beginning.
Before we went off to fight evil back in Europe our kids should know that the forefathers did a pretty good job in both North and South America of killing a pretty large percentage of the natives who were here before us. Of course, the remaining inhabitants had to be converted to our Christian ways ,then given reserves to live on, and their children placed in special schools away from their parents, where they were subjected to ritualistic emotional, physical and sexual abuse.
During the time of the first contact between the European forefathers and the north american natives, there were an estimated between 20 and 30 milllion natives who considered this place home. By the 16th. Century, thanks to the forefathers, there were only about 1 million left. Then starting in 1610 the forefathers undertook a concerted genocide campaign lasting until 1890, (Massacre at Wounded Knee), to attempt to entirely decimate the native population. So i just want to thank the forefathers for cleaning this continent up and making it safe from all those Injuns. Not only did these dudes give blood,they took it any way they could.
When our Italian immigrants were considered the enemy,they were not allowed to speak Italian in Canada, and when the Japanese were our enemy we of course had interment camps for these Canadians. Yea it's a great country but lets be a little more humble about our past and lets stop pretending we are holier than though, self righteous and judgemental of other cultures. We have a lot of nasty lil secrets that are shameful beyond anything else ever perpetrated by mankind.
The forefather were a pretty nasty bunch of shameless louts, so i suggest we not bloat our chests and strut our feathers with too much false pride when orienting the newcomers to our "culture and values and traditions."
You've got issues. Canada has one of the most peaceful and benign histories of any nation on earth. If you see badness throughout Canada's past, you must see badness everywhere. I feel horribly sorry for you if you look at an amazing country like Canada and see only the bad bits. You should get to know cutebald - he has a similar negative outlook on life.
