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Poll: Who gets your vote

If a federal election were held tomorrow who would get your vote

  • Pierre Pollievre's Conservative Party

    Votes: 41 67.2%
  • Justin Trudeau's Liberal Party

    Votes: 13 21.3%
  • Jagmeet Singh's New Democratic Party

    Votes: 5 8.2%
  • Elizabeth May's Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Maxime Bernier's People's Party

    Votes: 2 3.3%

  • Total voters
    61
  • Poll closed .

Frankfooter

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No.
You can't include gas, depreciation, etc because that applies to people who use the 401 as well.
Try and keep to the topic rather than expand it to come up with some kind of narrative that is apples-to-oranges and goes all over the place.
You were just destroyed by bvr filling out your argument to show how much cheaper transit is and now you're trying to argue you can't include all auto costs when you calculate auto costs?

The only thing I proved that is stupid is you. No big challenge there mind you so I won't brag.
You did prove the existence of skoobitity.
 

bver_hunter

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No.
You can't include gas, depreciation, etc because that applies to people who use the 401 as well.
Try and keep to the topic rather than expand it to come up with some kind of narrative that is apples-to-oranges and goes all over the place.
Hold on, we are now discussing about the Go Train costs. Did you forget that? You claimed that:

Ever wonder how much GO train expenses are? How much do you think someone coming from outside Toronto into the city and back spends on fares in a month?
Here, I'll give you an estimate: $20 per day x 20 weekdays = $400.

So comparing costs is not a good argument considering other factors such as reliability, convenience, time, etc.

413 is needed. More roads and highways are also needed. Vehicles are not going away.
Hence, the need of a proper Public Transport Infrastructure like they have in Amsterdam and London, as a sizeable number of Toronto residents do not either own cars or can afford the costs of that daily commute by cars especially when using the 407ETR!!
 
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Dutch Oven

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The fact is that Amsterdam has preserved its unique infrastructure. Thankfully, it did not go with the planned Highway Construction planned by The Americans that would have ruined the uniqueness of this wonderful City. Contrary to your assumption it has bike lanes that were resurrected due to the protests from the citizens of that City that prevented the decimation of this beautiful city. I loved walking in that City and taking in the landscape. There are no plans to develop the sea. Yes, the land is practically at sea level and there is a constant flooding danger although they have a flooding prevention barrier, due to the rising sea levels and impacts from the Climate Change!! After all dutch..... you have to try for once to go with the actual facts:


Also, dutch you are wrong as to the number one export from The Netherlands. it is:



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The Netherlands are really going Green at quite a pace:

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So, do you believe that Amsterdam and The Netherlands are going in the wrong direction?
Amsterdam is the poster child city for going in the wrong direction. If it weren't for North Sea natural gas, the place would be an undersea memory, like Atlantis. They are currently undergoing the same process of killing the goose that laid the golden egg, just as we are in Canada.

BTW, here is a summary of leading exports, per your own website: https://tradingeconomics.com/netherlands/exports-by-category

Petrochemicals are number 1, at about 18%.

As to climate change, over 1/3 of the country is 1-2 meters below sea level. Do you really think that the ocean rising another inch or 2 makes any difference?
 

bver_hunter

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Amsterdam is the poster child city for going in the wrong direction. If it weren't for North Sea natural gas, the place would be an undersea memory, like Atlantis. They are currently undergoing the same process of killing the goose that laid the golden egg, just as we are in Canada.

BTW, here is a summary of leading exports, per your own website: https://tradingeconomics.com/netherlands/exports-by-category

Petrochemicals are number 1, at about 18%.

As to climate change, over 1/3 of the country is 1-2 meters below sea level. Do you really think that the ocean rising another inch or 2 makes any difference?
The Netherlands are 100% correct to go in the right direction as they are paying attention to the real Scientists and not the Climate Change Deniers.
All the parties in Canada except the Extreme Right believe that Climate Change is real!!
Once again Machinery and Transport at 28% is the number one export. What you indicated was breaking up the Machinery and Transport into sub-sections.

Climate Change did make a difference to Noordwaard that is now under water. They have sacrificed that precious part of the Nation so as to protect the rest of The Netherlands!!
A rise of 30-60 centimetres is predicted by 2100. The existing flood barriers etc can cope with just 40 more centimetres. We cannot continue wth the indefinite use of fossil fuels forever!!
 

Frankfooter

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The Netherlands are 100% correct to go in the right direction as they are paying attention to the real Scientists and not the Climate Change Deniers.
All the parties in Canada except the Extreme Right believe that Climate Change is real!!
Once again Machinery and Transport at 28% is the number one export. What you indicated was breaking up the Machinery and Transport into sub-sections.

Climate Change did make a difference to Noordwaard that is now under water. They have sacrificed that precious part of the Nation so as to protect the rest of The Netherlands!!
A rise of 30-60 centimetres is predicted by 2100. The existing flood barriers etc can cope with just 40 more centimetres. We cannot continue wth the indefinite use of fossil fuels forever!!
Really, this was the key study.
 

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I have a question about the Dental Plan. If elected as PM what will Pierre Poilievre's Conservative Party do with it?
 

Dutch Oven

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We cannot continue with the indefinite use of fossil fuels forever!!
Here's where we agree. I don't think fossil fuel is the power source of the future. For one thing, it's not efficient enough to get us to other planets and solar systems, and that is a necessary next step in our transportation needs. But neither is electricity (especially when inefficiently generated by wind or solar). However, fossil fuels are the best energy source we have at the moment for land or air transportation (and most water transportation).

A sensible person works with what they have until something better comes along, and it always does, unless you bankrupt yourself in the meantime on stupid developments (like wind and solar).
 

Frankfooter

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A sensible person works with what they have until something better comes along, and it always does, unless you bankrupt yourself in the meantime on stupid developments (like wind and solar).
Wind and solar are already cheaper.
 

omegaphallic

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How did this thread become about the Ontario provincial issue?

For the recorded I'd simply confiscate the 407 without compensation, 99 year contract was pure corruption and they've abused the fuck out of it. Ban them from sueing over it too and if they try and fight it, pull their business licience as well.

Those pieces of shit spent years trying to collect from my dad mother and they repeatedly scammed my father.

Anyways electorally the NDP may not do well federally, but Jagmeet has achieved more then any NDP leader since Ed Broadbent, maybe even Tommy Douglas.

1. National Free School Lunches
2. Dentalcare
3. The first beginning stage of Pharmacare
4. Funding For Affordible Housing (folks did not realize this was part of the agreement).
5. Reforms to antitrust legislation to prevent future monopolies.
6. And more I'd have to go look up the rest

Meanwhile Pierre has gotten *checks notes* nothing beyond some none binding motions passed with Jagmeet's help, then voted IN FAVOUR OF MORE TAXES on home heating (its true, Jagmeet backed Pierre on a motion calling for removing the carbon tax on home heating, but then voted in favour of keeping the HST on home heating when Jagmeet wanted to push to have it removed from home heating).

JT does almost nothing unless forced to by public anger and the NDP. If he doesn't want Pierre to win he should retire, he's the lightening rod for all the anger. Hopefully we can push the Liberals to elect someone who will support REAL electoral reform before the next election.

Jagmeet for all his flaws deserved to be the Prime Minister, he's worked hard and unlike Pierre he's actually earned it.

Which I suspect if the media did its job and actually reported on all his achievements most folks would agree with. Sadly its like with Merit Styles, the credit never seems to go where its deserved and earned, instead it gets handed over to a NEPO baby who doesn't deserve it.
 
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Anyways electorally the NDP may not do well federally, but Jagmeet has achieved more then any NDP leader since Ed Broadbent, maybe even Tommy Douglas.

1. National Free School Lunches
2. Dentalcare
3. The first beginning stage of Pharmacare
4. Funding For Affordible Housing (folks did not realize this was part of the agreement).
5. Reforms to antitrust legislation to prevent future monopolies.
6. And more I'd have to go look up the rest
Whoa whoa, wait a minute here. Most of these policies are hollow and were only implemented to stop the NDP from forcing an election.

1. This most likely will be axed in 2 years.
2. A hollow plan that most dentists haven't and will not signed up for.
3. This fell way short from what they promised.
4. It was actually Poilievre that got this going. Justin had to address this or he would have been done.
5. More hollow policies that don't do or change anything.
6. The only thing missing is being Justin's tool. That he accomplished 100%

You can't say Poilievre isn't working hard. Pressing Trudeau is what got him off his ass.

Look how long the Liberal-NDP coalition has been going on and nothing got done.
 
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bver_hunter

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Here's where we agree. I don't think fossil fuel is the power source of the future. For one thing, it's not efficient enough to get us to other planets and solar systems, and that is a necessary next step in our transportation needs. But neither is electricity (especially when inefficiently generated by wind or solar). However, fossil fuels are the best energy source we have at the moment for land or air transportation (and most water transportation).

A sensible person works with what they have until something better comes along, and it always does, unless you bankrupt yourself in the meantime on stupid developments (like wind and solar).
If Wind and Solar are useless better inform The Ford Government ASAP about it:

 
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Frankfooter

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Whoa whoa, wait a minute here. Most of these are hollow and where only implement to stop the NDP to force an election.

1. This is most likely be axed in 2 years.
2. A hollow plan that most dentist haven't and will not signed up for.
3. This fell way short from what they promised.
4. It was actually Poilievre that got this going. Justin had address this or he would have been done.
5. More hollow policies that don't do or change anything.
6. The only thing missing is being Justin's tool. That he accomplished 100%

You can't say Poilievre isn't working hard. Pressing Trudeau is what has gotten him off his ass.

Look how long the Liberal-NDP coalition has been going on and nothing got done.
Maybe, but campaigning on cutting cheap daycare, dental, drug coverage and taxes on the rich will be a hard sell.
 

JohnLarue

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How did this thread become about the Ontario provincial issue?

For the recorded I'd simply confiscate the 407 without compensation, .
for the record you would also kiss good bye any future private investment in the province

Jagmeet for all his flaws deserved to be the Prime Minister, he's worked hard and unlike Pierre he's actually earned it.
he has placed locking in his MPs pension ahead of the interests of Canadians by supporting the corrupt liberals
Jagmeet has not earned diddy squat, but he will get paid

Which I suspect if the media did its job and actually reported on all his achievements most folks would agree with. Sadly its like with Merit Styles, the credit never seems to go where its deserved and earned, instead it gets handed over to a NEPO baby who doesn't deserve it.

too funny
if your hero Jagmeet had any guts , we would have had the election to remove the corrupt trust fund moron from the PMs office
that might have earned him some respect.

instead he thinks he is extorting the corrupt trust fund moron into spending more taxpayers money , which he already does

the question now is which party is going to lose offical party status the NDP or the liberals
House of Commons: minimum 12 seats:

why your lot punted Tom Mulcair for deadmeat is a bewilderment
 

DesRicardo

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So what are Poilievre's Policies?
Off the top of my head.
1. Tougher on crime and harder sentences.
2. Shrinking the size of government to lower the budget.
3. Aggressively target inflation.
4. Axing the Carbon tax. Invest in green technology.
5. Working with all levels of government to build homes.
6. Probably will lower immigration back to controllable levels.
 

Frankfooter

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Off the top of my head.
1. Tougher on crime and harder sentences.
2. Shrinking the size of government to lower the budget.
3. Aggressively target inflation.
4. Axing the Carbon tax. Invest in green technology.
5. Working with all levels of government to build homes.
6. Probably will lower immigration back to controllable levels.
You're making that up, he hasn't announced any of that.
 
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