Tell me...who is going to "subsidize" this stupid plan?
Assuming the answer is taxpayers.
NDP...always spending other people's money.
Poll: Who gets your vote
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Assuming the answer is taxpayers.
NDP...always spending other people's money.
Its cheaper than DoFo's highway 413.
Right wingers just aren't good with economics, money or numbers in general.
The controversial Highway 413 discussion has nothing to do with Downtown Toronto. It is a waste of taxpayers money with a very poor intention to develop the Greenbelt Environment, especially when existing infrastructure such as The 407ETR exists!!
The 407ETR is under utilized. Outside the rush hours there are just a handful of cars using this highway, whereas the 401 is congested most of the daytime and evenings outside rush hours.
Do you think that the average Canadian can afford paying around $500 - $1000+ per month to regularly use this Highway? The highest toll highways in the world. Why did even someone like Doug Ford criticize the sweetheart deal in the manner that it was leased?
The fact is that Amsterdam has preserved its unique infrastructure. Thankfully, it did not go with the planned Highway Construction planned by The Americans that would have ruined the uniqueness of this wonderful City. Contrary to your assumption it has bike lanes that were resurrected due to the protests from the citizens of that City that prevented the decimation of this beautiful city. I loved walking in that City and taking in the landscape. There are no plans to develop the sea. Yes, the land is practically at sea level and there is a constant flooding danger although they have a flooding prevention barrier, due to the rising sea levels and impacts from the Climate Change!! After all dutch..... you have to try for once to go with the actual facts:
Also, dutch you are wrong as to the number one export from The Netherlands. it is:
Netherlands Exports
Exports in Netherlands increased to 68195 EUR Million in February from 66048 EUR Million in January of 2024. This page provides the latest reported value for - Netherlands Exports - plus previous releases, historical high and low, short-term forecast and long-term prediction, economic calendar...
tradingeconomics.com
The Netherlands are really going Green at quite a pace:
Nearly half the electricity produced in the Netherlands is now renewable
In 2023, 48 percent of electricity was generated from renewable sources such as solar, wind and water.
www.cbs.nl
So, do you believe that Amsterdam and The Netherlands are going in the wrong direction?
That was a response to your biased comment about right wingers who you claim are not good with economics.
I don't recall any right wingers saying the "budget will balance itself" or "the economy is not numbers, it's people"...do you?
You're 'distracting'.
Why do you keep pushing for the more expensive and stupider choice, the 413 against a smarter and cheaper option?
Its like your arguments against bike lanes, also stupid and without any evidence.
Ever wonder how much GO train expenses are? How much do you think someone coming from outside Toronto into the city and back spends on fares in a month?
Here, I'll give you an estimate: $20 per day x 20 weekdays = $400.
So comparing costs is not a good argument considering other factors such as reliability, convenience, time, etc.
413 is needed. More roads and highways are also needed. Vehicles are not going away.
About 65% of the households in Toronto have a car. And because of the lack of reliability of our transit system they will continue to keep their car, even if it costs them so much more.
The $400 is inclusive of taxes etc. Now the 407ETR will be close to $1000 just to use the 407ETR. On top of that you have gasoline, and the more you use the car, then Service the car etc
Travel for that month will be closer to $1500 plus additional costs on the cars for the high mileage, not to mention depreciation of the car value for high mileage cars. Hence much more expensive if you are a daily commuter vs those having to travel on the Go Train. Not to mention Parking Expenses if your company does not offer you Parking spaces That Highway 413 is just a waste of taxpayers cash and a threat to the Greenland!!
The only thing I proved that is stupid is you. No big challenge there mind you so I won't brag.
No.
You can't include gas, depreciation, etc because that applies to people who use the 401 as well.
Try and keep to the topic rather than expand it to come up with some kind of narrative that is apples-to-oranges and goes all over the place.
You were just destroyed by bvr filling out your argument to show how much cheaper transit is and now you're trying to argue you can't include all auto costs when you calculate auto costs?
You did prove the existence of skoobitity.
Hold on, we are now discussing about the Go Train costs. Did you forget that? You claimed that:
Hence, the need of a proper Public Transport Infrastructure like they have in Amsterdam and London, as a sizeable number of Toronto residents do not either own cars or can afford the costs of that daily commute by cars especially when using the 407ETR!!
Amsterdam is the poster child city for going in the wrong direction. If it weren't for North Sea natural gas, the place would be an undersea memory, like Atlantis. They are currently undergoing the same process of killing the goose that laid the golden egg, just as we are in Canada.The fact is that Amsterdam has preserved its unique infrastructure. Thankfully, it did not go with the planned Highway Construction planned by The Americans that would have ruined the uniqueness of this wonderful City. Contrary to your assumption it has bike lanes that were resurrected due to the protests from the citizens of that City that prevented the decimation of this beautiful city. I loved walking in that City and taking in the landscape. There are no plans to develop the sea. Yes, the land is practically at sea level and there is a constant flooding danger although they have a flooding prevention barrier, due to the rising sea levels and impacts from the Climate Change!! After all dutch..... you have to try for once to go with the actual facts:
Also, dutch you are wrong as to the number one export from The Netherlands. it is:
.Netherlands Exports
Exports in Netherlands increased to 68195 EUR Million in February from 66048 EUR Million in January of 2024. This page provides the latest reported value for - Netherlands Exports - plus previous releases, historical high and low, short-term forecast and long-term prediction, economic calendar...
The Netherlands are really going Green at quite a pace:
.Nearly half the electricity produced in the Netherlands is now renewable
In 2023, 48 percent of electricity was generated from renewable sources such as solar, wind and water.
So, do you believe that Amsterdam and The Netherlands are going in the wrong direction?
BTW, here is a summary of leading exports, per your own website: https://tradingeconomics.com/netherlands/exports-by-category
Petrochemicals are number 1, at about 18%.
As to climate change, over 1/3 of the country is 1-2 meters below sea level. Do you really think that the ocean rising another inch or 2 makes any difference?
The Netherlands are 100% correct to go in the right direction as they are paying attention to the real Scientists and not the Climate Change Deniers.
All the parties in Canada except the Extreme Right believe that Climate Change is real!!
Once again Machinery and Transport at 28% is the number one export. What you indicated was breaking up the Machinery and Transport into sub-sections.
Climate Change did make a difference to Noordwaard that is now under water. They have sacrificed that precious part of the Nation so as to protect the rest of The Netherlands!!
A rise of 30-60 centimetres is predicted by 2100. The existing flood barriers etc can cope with just 40 more centimetres. We cannot continue wth the indefinite use of fossil fuels forever!!
Really, this was the key study.
