A naval blockade is universally recognized as an act of war, you dunce. Moreover it was a specific violation of the Convention and of the armistice. Violating the armistice alone is legal grounds for an Israeli attack. Violating the convention was grounds for a British and French attack. Committing an act of war in the form of a naval blockade simply hammers home the nail--grounds for an attack.Outright acts of war?
Hardly.
Trade war, yes.
War, no.
You mean to say that Israel has declared war against Turkey?A naval blockade is universally recognized as an act of war, you dunce. Moreover it was a specific violation of the Convention and of the armistice. Violating the armistice alone is legal grounds for an Israeli attack. Violating the convention was grounds for a British and French attack. Committing an act of war in the form of a naval blockade simply hammers home the nail--grounds for an attack.
You may not like the facts but it is stupid to deny them.
Are you living in some alternate universe?You mean to say that Israel has declared war against Turkey?
Israel blockaded Gaza. Israel's blockade is clearly an act of war against Palestine. Egypt blockaded Israel. Egypt's blockade was clearly an act of war against Israel.You mean to say that Israel has declared war against Turkey?
Obviously anything that doesn't demonize Israel is hard for him....
How is this hard????
Wow, so then Israel is about to declare war on Turkey and Canada.Israel blockaded Gaza. Israel's blockade is clearly an act of war against Palestine. Egypt blockaded Israel. Egypt's blockade was clearly an act of war against Israel.
If Turkey, as a neutral third nation, attempts to run the Israeli blockade of Gaza, that would be an act of war against Israel, and would result in Turkey ceasing to be a neutral third nation, and becoming one of the belligerents.
How is this hard????
No, Israel's own archives also state that the so called Arab message to leave is a fiction, Ernst Zundel/Fuji. Are you not aware of these facts or are you still dragging Bernie's body around, trying to keep the myth alive.You can write that you dispute it all you like but you are a propaganda clown who has been wrong on the facts in pretty much every debate we've ever had.
Your odds are not looking good.
Here's what the Economist had to say at the time:
And here's the Secreatry of the Arab league speaking of it in 1955:
And here is what Mahmoud Abbas, current PLO leader, had to say on the subject:
About the only person in the world who thinks the Arabs themselves didn't order the exodus from Israel is you, groggy.
Gee I guess Mahmoud Abbas is bought into that fiction then, along with the Arab League's former secretary general, and everybody else.No, Israel's own archives also state that the so called Arab message to leave is a fiction, Ernst Zundel/Fuji. Are you not aware of these facts or are you still dragging Bernie's body around, trying to keep the myth alive.
You mean like when he says stuff like this:Gee I guess Mahmoud Abbas is bought into that fiction then, along with the Arab League's former secretary general, and everybody else.
Crazy.
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas asked the United Nations on Friday to recognize a state for his people, accusing Israel of engaging in ethnic cleansing in his United Nations speech.
Speaking at the UN General Assembly, Abbas accused Israel of employing an “ethnic cleansing policy” in Jerusalem.
“Israel issues building permits to settlers so they can build in occupied Jerusalem, while it keeps confiscating lands in eastern Jerusalem and driving away Palestinians from their ancestral lands,” he said in his address.
Have you completely lost the ability to connect facts or related events. Or have you simply stopped trying because the actual events referred to do in posts where they contradict your positions. You really are a pathetic clown.You mean like when he says stuff like this:
What is the point of historians keeping a record of facts and history when all you do is rewrite it or ignore it..So now its the Arab countries fault for not protecting the Palestinians from Jewish terrorism and war?
That's like blaming the UN for Libya.
The Arab countries did not force out Palestinians, the threat of Jewish terrorism and real violence did, all Abbas does is say that the Arab countries didn't help enough, which is true.
If I recall correctly, according to Benny Morris' book Righteous Victims, Israelis also expelled Arabs from villages during the 1948 war, so you can't blame the Arabs only.In any case Abbas and other serious people acknowledge that it was the Arabs who instructed Arab civilians to leave Israeli territory.
Israel has never denied that there was some number of Arabs who were expelled. They have said that there was a large number who were advised to leave. the difference is that grog and gyf and their friends say that all or a substantially all were expelled. This is not historically correct and that is beyond any debate. There is also disagreement as to the number. The number is somewhere between 300,000 and 900,000 depending on who you believe and that would include Arabs who left and/or were expelled and both during, before and after the 1948 war..If I recall correctly, according to Benny Morris' book Righteous Victims, Israelis also expelled Arabs from villages during the 1948 war, so you can't blame the Arabs only.
There's a whole chapter dedicated to that event.
The IDF also committed atrocities against Arabs in villages throughout the north.
Anyway, it was a terrible war where civilians suffered on both sides.
Your view is skewed. There was much terrorism by both extremist Arabs and extremist Jews in the Mandate of Palestine. In fact, far more Arab terrorism than Jewish terrorism, although none of it was justified. The Israeli state actually cracked down on that and brought the lawless elements to heel, and was part of the solution to that, and not the problem. Even before the formation of the Israeli state, the elements that went on to form IDF had a history of opposing the war crimes carried out not only by the Arab side, but also by the likes of Irgun and Lehi. I have previously pointed out to you that this ended with IDF disarming Irgun at gunpoint.So now its the Arab countries fault for not protecting the Palestinians from Jewish terrorism and war?
Specifically the policy was that villages would be cleared only if they actively resisted and fought with Israeli troops. Villages that did not resist, that were peaceful, were not cleared. It is the citizens of those latter villages who, having been peaceful, and having been left to live in peace by Jewish militias, form the modern Arab population of Israel.If I recall correctly, according to Benny Morris' book Righteous Victims, Israelis also expelled Arabs from villages during the 1948 war, so you can't blame the Arabs only
The IDF did not yet exist at that time, so that's not possible. The main Jewish militias did not commit atrocities. There were a couple of extremist groups that did notably Irgun and Lehi. It is worthwhile pointing out again, as I have a few times, that ultimately when IDF did come into existence, one of the first things it did was confront Irgun militarily and force Irgun to disarm, precisely over concerns that Irgun would continue with lawless behavior that the mainstream Jewish political establishment rejected.The IDF also committed atrocities against Arabs in villages throughout the north.
Certainly that's true of every war.Anyway, it was a terrible war where civilians suffered on both sides.
I thought they were formed during the war of independence in 1948...The IDF did not yet exist at that time, so that's not possible.
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That's an odd accusation considering when you realized you had lost your point to me when I revealed that Israeli state archives disprove your myth, you did not address it but tried to switch the argument.I note your worm-like dishonest way of debating: I mentioned Abbas in the context of a debate you knew you were losing, and rather than respond to the point and stay on topic, you tried to dodge the issue by using his name as a segue into a completely unrelated topic.
