By early 2022 the war was going to proceed. Whether
it was justified or not is a question that will have little
to no merit in history text books in the future.
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it was justified or not is a question that will have little
to no merit in history text books in the future.
Everybody knows that the war on Ukraine wasn't justified. Evgeny was just saying the quiet part out loud. It was a signal to other Russians that Ev doesn't feel the need to toe the party line any more and he's now a big boy and can tell The Poo to fuck off.
He's not going to stay in Belarus, if he even goes there. He's either coming back to Russia in a few weeks or he's going to be killed.
Then why did you ask the question?
Yes. He did those things because he's a psychopath and was paid to do it. History of full of mercenaries who went to wars without being invested in them or caring if they were just or not. Are you saying you think the career criminal who was willing to let murderers, rapists, and child abusers go free has a conscience and wouldn't go to war in Ukraine if it wasn't justified? And you're accusing other people of being gullible?
That's what troll&gas does, he "questions" everything.
On a side note, this- whatever it was- is the validation of the internet based media over the legacy media. Not only Russia couldn't close access to information, the whole thing unfolded live on Twitter, Telegram, TicToc, etc. With reports from the ground, interviews, etc. All in the real time. Amazing.
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The Righties backed Bush's invasion of Iraq. This was the worst decision started by a Republican President, and thankfully we had Chretien a Liberal PM that refused to participate in that war, unless he saw the proof of the weapons of mass destruction. But a Right Winger like Harper condemned Chretien's decision and threw his support behind Bush. So stop this whole Bullshit about the "traditional right wingers turning their backs on foreign wars". The real warmongers have been the right wing Governments over the years. This intervention in Iraq led to the birth of the worst terrorist organization called ISIS. Yet a right wing President called Trump threw The ones to defeat this ISIS Terrorist organization under the bus:
FOX NEWS IN DISARRAY AS HOSTS STRUGGLE TO DIGEST TRUMP’S BETRAYAL OF THE SYRIAN KURDS
Donald Trump’s betrayal of the Syrian Kurds prompted a rare outburst of dissent on the president’s favorite television network.
Even Fox News Can’t Spin Trump’s Betrayal of Syrian Kurds
Donald Trump’s betrayal of the Syrian Kurds prompted a rare outburst of dissent on the president’s favorite television network.
theintercept.com
Does this brutal invasion of Ukraine resulting in the destruction of the infrastructure and deaths plus displacement of millions of families justify this act?
Why are you supporting this invasion, as your logic of two wrongs then makes a right? This right in your POV is Putin, whereas NATO, plus Ukraine are the bad actors!!
So are we the "War Mongers" for condemning the invasion of Ukraine, and then it makes you the "Peace Lover"?? Trying to work out your logic as you seem very confused!!
It's worse. Canadian intelligence flat out called it a lie. Behind closed doors of course, but that's where intelligence operates. As much as people like Pierre Poillievre want to pretend National Security isn't a thing and doesn't matter, it really does.
How Canada’s intelligence agencies helped keep the country out of the 2003 Iraq war - Open Canada
Canadian analysts had access to the same information about Iraq’s supposed weapons of mass destruction program as their American counterparts but came to different conclusions.
opencanada.org
Democrats supported Bush's decision to invade Iraq. Biden and
Clinton were among them.
BTW I applauded Chretien and the leaders of France and others
who chose not to join Bush's coalition of the willing at the time of
the Iraq invasion.
It's worse. Canadian intelligence flat out called it a lie. Behind closed doors of course, but that's where intelligence operates. As much as people like Pierre Poillievre want to pretend National Security isn't a thing and doesn't matter, it really does.
How Canada’s intelligence agencies helped keep the country out of the 2003 Iraq war - Open Canada
Canadian analysts had access to the same information about Iraq’s supposed weapons of mass destruction program as their American counterparts but came to different conclusions.
Exactly!
So nice to have your voice of knowledge and experience here my friend! Many thanks! I learn a lot from your posts.
You are correct, might I add that CSIS, the Bureau of Intelligence Analysis and Security, the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (DFAIT), the Communications Security Establishment and the Division of Intelligence and Security in the Department of National Defence (DND) all issued statements before the Iraq war stating there was no evidence they could find of WMD in Iraq.It's worse. Canadian intelligence flat out called it a lie. Behind closed doors of course, but that's where intelligence operates. As much as people like Pierre Poillievre want to pretend National Security isn't a thing and doesn't matter, it really does.
How Canada’s intelligence agencies helped keep the country out of the 2003 Iraq war - Open Canada
Canadian analysts had access to the same information about Iraq’s supposed weapons of mass destruction program as their American counterparts but came to different conclusions.
This NATO brief titled " An Intelligence Success: Canada Got it Right on Iraq " explains this.
https://natoassociation.ca/an-intelligence-success-canada-got-it-right-on-iraq/
A review during the 4726th meeting od the UN security council , this statement was made.
" Despite the fact that Iraq had not crossed the Atlantic to attack the United States, had no link to the 11 September attacks and had no weapons of mass destruction, United States forces had crossed the Atlantic to control this region. The Council had been fooled when it was told by the United States and the United Kingdom that the Iraqi people would receive their forces with flowers and hugs. When the United States found itself before a fierce resistance by the Iraqi people, it had started to destroy them, therefore the Council should adopt a resolution to halt the war and restore peace."
https://press.un.org/en/2003/sc7707.doc.htm
Is Iraq better with or without Saddam?
Fast forward to 2023 and Russia to get back to the subject of this thread. Would Russia be better with or without Putin?
