Raptors thoughts

[benn]

Embarassing myself? You truly are an idiot cuz you simply keep making an ass out of yourself

There is no way that Garnett weighs less than Bosh.

First let's get the weight issue out of the way
Garnett
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3007
Bosh
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3707

how about that, that makes you wrong about Bosh weighing less than Garnett.

Hey Benn... when they drafted Bosh, he was also a 3 or 4. But he ended up playing 5 for a long time. Why do you think that happened?

Bosh barely played 3 spot in the NBA he was expected to play 4-5 in the NBA, he played 4 in Georgia tech since they had a 7foot center. His first year with the raptors he played 4 when Davis was around when they traded Davis, Marshall wa playing 5 on defense and bosh was 5 on offense so he was down low. Do you want me to continue proving you wrong by posting articles and links

Garnett had a high of 116 3-pt taken one year. Garnett's shoots alot of mid range jumpers, that allow him to draw the big slow defender out. Then he uses his speed to take it to the hoop.

Here is another contradiction in your logic or lack thereof. The year Garnett shot 116 3s his FG percentage was 47%, did it make him a better outside shooter no of course not. Infact that was his lowest shooting percentage in a full season. Slow Defender? this ain't hockey son, majority of the western conference power fowards are athlethic, one point there was Sheed Wallace, a healthy Webber, Tim Duncan, Amare, Dirk Nowitzki, Jamison, and by the way the mid range jumpers you were referring that is what Bosh is doing now.

Don't get the point here... free throws or FG % or both have nothing to do with outside shooting?? The fact that Shaq is a 53% (career) FT shooter makes him a bad outside shot. The fact that CB has a 76% free throw, and a 47% FG % makes him a decent shooter. But as I mentioned most of his shots come from inside 10'. He does not have a mid-range jumper..

Free Throw shooting is about form, repetition and concentration has nothing to do with range or outshot shooting. By the way you were the one that were correlating Bosh FG and Ft percentage him makes him a bad shooter.

Most of Bosh's shots are in the paint on the right or left blocks. Today he shot an airball from 6'. Until he proves that he is consisten from 12 - 15', opponents will give him that shot and wait for him in the paint. So no he does not have a proven outside shot.. Again, the point is not that CB needs to take more 3's it's that he needs to show that he can extend his comfort zone further from the basket.

Extend his comfort zone
The reason Bosh was left open with outside shots and pretty much most of the raptors were because the wizards were playing zone and anyone that were posting up were getting doubled and most of Bosh misses he forced his shots and inside the key. Your saying he is not consistent with his shot because he had one bad game? Seriously you need to stick your Leafs bandwagon club

 

[benn]

Since you seem somewhat dense... let me explain:
1. Last year we had a 6' 10" guy who could nail 3-pointers.
2. We sucked last year with our 6' 10" guy fucking around on the 3 point line
3. We still do not have a low post player as Arujo has not developed
4. Bosh is still getting hammered inside

I'm dense? but you truly are the dumbest person here. Your logic is you want Bosh to shoot outside cuz we lost Donyell but you want Charlie to play more inside cuz you think he is always outside because when we had a 6'10" he was always outside shooting 3s. Raptors sucked last year has nothing to do with Donyell shooting 3s, it was because raptors didn't play Defense at all and blowing leads in the 4th quarter. Araujo is not really a post player although he does have some post moves but he is more of a face up player.

So tell me why the hell we would draft a 6' 11" player and put him on the 3 point line?? In case you missed Sam Mitchell comments from last year I will paraphrase for you "I need a body that can fucking rebound and play some low post defence, if you know someone like that have them call me".

Who said anything about on the 3 point line? were in my previous post did I once mention that Charlie Villanueva was drafted to be a 3pt shooter, by the way if your basis was tonite's game you are clearly mistaken and he was drafter cuz of his athlethic ability.

In case you are unable to understand simple basketball.... you cannot win at any level without some sort of low post presence... So as per my original post, if CV does not show a commitment to work the low post area, he will become another Donyell Marshall, and we already had one of those.

First of all there is really no simililarity with Donyell and Charlie aside for both going to Uconn. 1) Charlie has handles 2) Charlie can pass the ball 3) he is more athelethic and has more explosive hops.

I don't understand simple basketball? Chicago Bulls won 6 Championship without any low post presence, Detroit Pistons won 2 championship back in the late 80s with no low post presence, don't say James Edwards since he wasn't really a post player, Bill Laimbeer was a spot shooter.

In the games that I watched CV play, he was at his best in the transition game. I did not see games where he dominated in the blocks. Here is a guy that played on an amazing team, yet still managed to disappear for long periods of time. How the hell does a 6' 11" guy disappear on a basketball court?

Well the reason you weren't able to see Charlie Villanueva on the court cuz he wasn't on the court, they had Okafur, Ben Gordon, Denham Brown, Anderson and I can't remember the other I believe it was Williams and this past year when they lost in the Tourney against NC state he was one of the leading scorers and rebounder for Uconn

Your logic mesmerizes me: CV was often a non-factor in college (where teams like UConn are stacked and play a lot of crappy teams in a 35 game schedule). He averaged a whopping 13.6ppg, 8.3 rpg on a team that went 23 - 8, and you expect him to come in to the NBA and make an impact??
In terms of seeing the guy play...he played two seasons at UConn, how many games could you have seen him play???

Uconn played alot of crappy teams? Do you even know which conference they are in, in case you don't know it's the Big East one of the tougher conference and this year it's the toughest conference. They weren't expect to do much this past year specially after losing Ben Gordon and Okafur then their suppose to be point guard had a brain hemorrhage and they did win the big east. now your using college stats? then Christina Laettner should have been an NBA hall fame based on his college stats and just to let you know Grant Hill only average around 15 pts and 6 rebs in his career at DUKE and he did came to the NBA and made an impact. I've seen Uconn quite a bit whenever they are on tv since I like to see how Denham Brown is doing


I got one advice for you stick to hockey or curling beyatch

 

[slowandeasy]

As usual, the original though has gotten sidetracked and I have followed along with it.

Let's get back on track...
1. The Raptors need a presence in the blocks... besides Chris Bosh
2. Arujo, Loren Woods, and Aron Williams are not going to fool anybody
3. They need a to play better defence... an low post intimidator would really
help everyone out...

So the issue is not what the Raps can do for CV, it's what CV can do for the Raps. Yes CV has alot of talent, and can be used in a variety of ways. But unless you have Jordan (Mike not Buford) on your team, you are not going to win with out a tough low post player....

CB is not going to last very long playing the way that he does. CV fits that bill much better than Bosh. Bosh has proven that he can work down low, CV need to show that he can do that in the NBA.

Last night the two 5's on the roster played a total of 17minutes 10 seconds. Who played 5 for the rest of the 31 minutes of the game??

Again, for this team to win, CV needs to show that he can score and defend on the low post because the Raps do not have anyone else that can do it.

 

[slowandeasy]

Benn... i will not bother to read your last response. your first response to my post first post was unfriendly, and you proceeded to become more aggressive.

At some point, when the debate turns into an argument, it becomes boring to me.

You do not seem to understand the nuances of playing sports.. you have Vince Carter syndrome.. you think that winning games is about putting up 3 point shots and posing for the cameras... Basketball games are won in the paint... both offence and defence...

 

[Kwazy]

Does anyone have a list of ...

big men that could become available?...I understand Babcock was waiting to see what team would discard a decent big man before the season started.

Any names floating around?...send the list to Babcock.

Where's Dale Davis playing these days?

...I get this feeling the raps will pick up a veteran in his last days just for this year until they can either pick one up in the draft next year or trade for one. Even Oliver Miller would suffice for a season - He had long arms and great hands....too bad he never realized his potential.


By the way, I'm surprised the Raps are actually "team rebounding". The guards are even rebounding effectively...I don't know the numbers but for all the minutes Vince played each game, I don't think he ever pitched in much on the boards.

 

[frankcastle]

Don't know of any lists but usually at the end of the season nba.com posts a list of all the free agents restricted and unrestricted.... you'd have to sift through those. You'd think a guy who could reboud is not that hard to find but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case.

It's not like we need a scorer/rebounder. Just rebounding and the odd block shot will do.

I think Dale Davis and O. Miller are probably too old.

 

[benn]

Benn... i will not bother to read your last response. your first response to my post first post was unfriendly, and you proceeded to become more aggressive.

At some point, when the debate turns into an argument, it becomes boring to me.

You do not seem to understand the nuances of playing sports.. you have Vince Carter syndrome.. you think that winning games is about putting up 3 point shots and posing for the cameras... Basketball games are won in the paint... both offence and defence...

I don't understand basketball? are you fucking retarded, you think basketball is about 3pts shots and posing for cameras. where in my statement that winning is about that I favoured those style of game. Have you even played basketball can you even run up and down the court without without dying of a heart attack.

Vince Carter syndrome? you really don't know much about basketball do you? let me guess you started watching when raptors started playing? Carter wasn't driving the ball or posing up cuz of 2 things one thing he was hurt second thing raptors rarely run a post up play for vince they were either running a Iso or a high Pick and roll( you do know what a pick and roll is) whereas in New Jersey they run quite number of plays and have vince post up and they don't have a situation like the raptors PG aka Rafer freezing vince out

I'm telling you should really stop talking about basketball cuz you really don't know nothing about go bowling or something

 

[benn]

big men that could become available?...I understand Babcock was waiting to see what team would discard a decent big man before the season started.

Any names floating around?...send the list to Babcock.

Where's Dale Davis playing these days?

...I get this feeling the raps will pick up a veteran in his last days just for this year until they can either pick one up in the draft next year or trade for one. Even Oliver Miller would suffice for a season - He had long arms and great hands....too bad he never realized his potential.


By the way, I'm surprised the Raps are actually "team rebounding". The guards are even rebounding effectively...I don't know the numbers but for all the minutes Vince played each game, I don't think he ever pitched in much on the boards.

Dale Davis is in detroit, there really is no quality big men available or even a journey big men available, they need Pape Sow to play so he can develop since they compare his game to Ben Wallace

 

[Kwazy]

Pape Sow does look like the type...

Dale Davis is in detroit, there really is no quality big men available or even a journey big men available, they need Pape Sow to play so he can develop since they compare his game to Ben Wallace

Its really too bad he missed all the preseason....I know I've heard the Wallace comparisons, but I think we'd settle for a Horace Grant comparison...Popye Jones...or even JYD.

 

[strange1]

Rumour has it that Pape might end up in the NBDL. No idea about the validity.

 

[frankcastle]

Wow what an awful game versus the Nets. Not even going to bother looking for good things to say. Other than the rooks are showing promise.

 

[Meister]

Calderone was a bright spot today. He's a smart player.

How much do we pay Jalen again?

 

[benn]

Calderone was a bright spot today. He's a smart player.

How much do we pay Jalen again?

calderone has a bring future, reminds me of a young steve nash

I believe Jalen makes 14-16 mil, he got caught up in 1 on 1 match up instead of getting his team involve

 

[Dynamite_Kid]

yeah i think they gotta do something with jalen rose, trade him or something...... all the young guys are showing some promise..... i think all they need now is a good SG and someone other then loren woods or arujo to play the center...that arujo guy is just not doing it, u can hear the fans hating on him.....he is not gonna get better, so might as well trade him, but who the hell is gonna want him? well if we completely stink this year, at least next year we should get a good draft pick, maybe 4th, 3rd, 2nd or even 1st, thats if we really do suck this year.....

 

[frankcastle]

Problem with Jalen is that his salary of 15 mill makes him unattractive to other teams. I've always felt that he was a scorer who didn't make the team better on the court. I like his attitude but the way he plays stinks.

No need to say much about Arujo and Woods, they are bench warmers at best.

 

[rub & tug]

this team is so far from being able to beat anyone other then...actually, they are the bottom of the barrel this year. get ready to see what bad really means. i would bet this team as is will win less then 20 games this year.

 

[frankcastle]

I think there are some teams in the east the raps can beat. Perhaps the hawks, the bobcats. The good news is that its a question of picking 1,2, or 3 in the draft.

 

[Kwazy]

Didn't catch any of the Pistons game...

but its is really getting ugly isn't it????

looks like the raps got thrashed on the boards and their shooting percentage is dismal....

i'm starting to think they will have to get lucky to beat even the other so-called weak teams of the East.

 

[DAMON789]

well

Man i like the talent they have but what i would like to see is mabey a change in coaches??? The guy and the name escapes me who coached clevland lebrons first year silas? i would like to see him here to work with the youngsters. any thoughts or i am I in left field on this one ?

 

[DAMON789]

Defence

Everyone needs to start playing SOLID defence and scoop up those damn boards..Hoffa needs to stop shooting and use his Big frame to position himself better so he can gobble up more rebounds ( he is such a big solid guy with a mean streak) Use that damn size and grab some rebounds. I think JG is going to be an important piece of this teams future and hell he even DEFENDS. When should Calderone get a start? I like this kids ENERGY and he is aa pass first point guard... I like CV too but needs to tighten up his D...And hey cb4 can usally get it done and will only get better i sure hope we can keep him or better yet i hope he WANTS to stay.. I am still not a big SAM m supporter...And jalen is always going to be jalen hes a shooter who does not defend and with the new cba it will be tough to trade him. He needs to be a little more selective with his shots and start to defend lol like that will happen.