4 or 6..Doesn't matter...She testified that they were not stilettos when they clearly were. Even the CBC coverage said that. They're hard to walk in when you're intoxicated but she's having no problem here.
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''You are so paranoid. Holy. I enjoyed it. It was fine. It was all consensual. I am so sober-That's why I can't do this right now''
If she was sober as she says then that would explain how she walked past that camera in those stilettos with ease.
The evidence in this case doesn't clearly indicate anything horrendous..
Hart testified that the players all knew that having girls in the room was strictly forbidden. hockey Canada was adamant about that. So the ones who stayed knew they were up to no good. So to pretend like they were lambs here doesn't add up.
Yes McLeod most definitely lied early on in the investigation. That impeaches his credibility. Did he not think that they would find his texts? He's a schemer.
Forementon ''volunteers'' to have sex with her in the washroom...He's 18 and all but dumb move.
Does all this add up to sexual assault though? I just don't think so. If the judge doesn't think the consent videos are applicable then thats not good for the defense.
The other thing that bothers me is that E.M. according to the first LPS investigation just wanted the boys talked to. She felt they shouldn't have taken advantage of her the way they did. In her words I believe. So she clearly is saying that what happened wasn't her idea. But she doesn't at that time want to lay charges...I believe that supports her credibility.
Just some thoughts...
These five gentleman will not be found guilty as charged by the Crown, with no conditional sentence or conditional discharge neither.
The Crown’s case is very weak, porous and unstable.
The complainant and the defendants all behaved foolish, dangerously and recklessly but there was no CCC crime committed.
Some could profer that these guys were opportunistic ”assholes”or that the complainant was a ”dumb slut” or many variations thereof. depending on your views, but criminal convictions should not result .
There are actual victims of sexual assault and actual criminals who have perpetrated sexual assault but the former and latter are not included this trial. This trial does a major disservice to bonifide victims of sexual assault.
Should bars be closed down because they render people susceptible to ”dissocitive”behaviours…?
And if these five defendants are found guilty as charged, many new precedents will be set and the rules of the game will change.
The Crown’s case is very weak, porous and unstable.
The complainant and the defendants all behaved foolish, dangerously and recklessly but there was no CCC crime committed.
Some could profer that these guys were opportunistic ”assholes”or that the complainant was a ”dumb slut” or many variations thereof. depending on your views, but criminal convictions should not result .
There are actual victims of sexual assault and actual criminals who have perpetrated sexual assault but the former and latter are not included this trial. This trial does a major disservice to bonifide victims of sexual assault.
Should bars be closed down because they render people susceptible to ”dissocitive”behaviours…?
And if these five defendants are found guilty as charged, many new precedents will be set and the rules of the game will change.
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I don’t. I have met enough to say it’s a problem
within the sport both locally and nationally and internationally.
i will add that my cousin is currently in the rounds to being drafted for a team in the states and he has grown up to be a super disrespectful jerk in the last five years he’s been away at his hockey school and camps
his arrogance and manner of speaking and degrading is shocking and saddening
the insults are ones I thought died twenty years ago but apparently run wild without taming amongst his peers. Both Canadian and American if that matters
I think bars should close down for various reasons and they don’t rent to result in better human beings
The shoes are covered at the front which aids in the ability to be held on the foot without much thought compared to an open front heel which you could easily walk out of even sober. The later is more a part of the foot so as to make it easier to walk and not lose footing.
Yes I think her testimony is the most believable. She even takes some of the responsibility for how the night happens.
Maybe she even was interested in a threesome , but what happened was not a 3 way, wasn't even a gang bang not to me at least. What gang bang has random guys walking in, getting off and walking out. And shouldn't they know who and how many guys are involved ?
Without being in that room , we'll never know what actually happened and how it played out.
First you say this this:
Or are you saying that YOU know how it played out and the rest of us don't.
And then you say this:
Which one is it?
Or are you saying that YOU know how it played out and the rest of us don't.
This is a pervasive behavioural culture but not a criminal culture among some males and some females are attracted to it which may result in unpredictable and unpleasant consequences.
No not at all.
I'm just saying that for me, out of all the evidence presented hers seems the most believable.
The only way to know for sure would be to be in the room, from the time her and McLeod were alone to when other guys started showing up
If only the walls could talk
I have been seeing SW's since 2007 I don't need a lecture thanks.
There is seriously something wrong with you, literally.
It's obvious that, if you are a man, you've never had a sexual experience in your life.
Ironically, if you try any of this shit, that chick will never go out with you again.
This is a Criminal trial. The verdict will not be based on whether the complainant or the defendants' testimony is more believable. It's based on evidence, period. There is evidence that the complainant consented, and insufficient evidence that the complainant was incapable of offering that consent. That's all that matters. The credibility of testimony would have been very relevant in a Civil court case, but that matter was settled years ago.
This trial was never about 'justice for the victim'. It was always about appeasing the vocal element who objected after they read about the out of court financial settlement.
This trial was never about 'justice for the victim'. It was always about appeasing the vocal element who objected after they read about the out of court financial settlement.
I’ve never heard of a woman complaining about a man being polite and concerned for her well being.
I can assure you I am quite well liked in the bedroom and beyond
