Ruined for Toronto MPs by going to a German FKK Saunaclub
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I have been to a German FKK club called Artemis in Berlin many years ago and it was great. Had two girls over about five hours since I needed the refractory period. In between I skinny dipped in the indoor basement pool, did a sauna, had some free beer, napped, ate a buffet meal and just enjoyed hanging out. Yeah it wasn't cheap but it was a great concept and I agree that I totally wished these were here in Canada. I will go over there to visit more of them when I finally fly over there one winter for a ski trip.
Kissing is one where it depends on the girl. If you do your research you can get it for free.
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There are open areas for public sex and there are secluded area in the club for more privacy
At the Globe I observed couples going into private areas for sex and having sex in lounge areas open to any one walking by. I didn’t notice anyone going on stage
The public sex days are performed on stage and attracts the clients that might like to watch and wank
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what di the girls in this place really look like? Is it like one 1 or 2 beauties and the rest so so?
I was not disappointed. Many young girls to choose from with great looking bodies. What I would rate as 7-9 There lots selection if you like tan/pale short/ tall, slim/curvy. The place was dimly light like if you were in a night club. Only complaint was could not see their faces clearly until you start chatting them up.
The bigger clubs hire-many girls from poor east European countries. Expect many Romanian girl but can see black girls and other countries represented. I had sex with girls from Romanian, Hungary and Germany.
I would visit the larger well known FKK clubs where there are 40+girls walking around to choose from.
I heard the smaller FKKs where there are only few girls it’s hit or miss
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I have not been to Globe personally but the top clubs in Switzerland, Austria and Germany will have plenty of 8s and 9s. The big 3 are Globe, Wellcum and Sharks.
Funny thing when I originally went to the Berlin FKK is that I wanted to pull a German girl since I was in that country. But as others have reported, most of the girls working there were from Eastern European countries. I did manage to bag a German girl but it was no in the FKK club but in a brothel also in Berlin.
is there an opportunity to meet them in person and see the goods to some extent in these berlin brothels?
What’s the difference between this & Hong Kong in Tijuana ? It has enterance and you have to pay per girl. I thought it was unlimited for the day
Terb members booking their flights to Berlin after reading this thread...
HUGE differences - if you look at the websites of major FKK clubs in Germany you will see the differences. Tijuana has just strip clubs where girls are also hookers you can take to rooms. FKKs are more than that. The entrance fees get you inside where you can enjoy free buffet meals, health spa facilities like pool, sauna, jacuzzi, bar etc. They are not cheap though.
Just to put some balance to this thread, and to defend Canada’s scene, here are some of the problems with these German Fuck Factories.
1. The labor is largely imported. Germany has an advantage, or disadvantage depending on how you look at it, over other countries in that it is close to very poor countries and allows under the E.U. system for transient workers to do sex work at the FKKs. The women, mostly from Romania, work for weeks or months, and return to their villages with a nice wad of cash. During the c-36 debate, one of the Canadian politicians who opposed decriminalization, mentioned the German system with distaste and said Canada should never become like Germany. It is doubtful that could happen, given that most low-cost sex work labor would fly in from Venezuela and Cuba, which is a lot more expensive than being driven to Germany from Romania. But the ammunition the FKK system gives to abolitionists is stunning. When the fucking Swedes try to get their Nordic Model enacted in Europe, they harp on the FKKs and the women essentially working where they live (the living quarters are separate, but within the acreage of the facility). Can you imagine a conservative Canadian paper interviewing Venezuelan women who are happy to go back and see their children and pets after fucking hundreds of Canadian guys and American tourists for a month. Jesus Christ, the abolitionists would storm the Canadian FKK with bayonets. They are a public relations nightmare.
2. It is actually delightful to see our many Canadian and American escorts, even though they are a little more expensive than the sex workers in a Fuck Factory. Our escorts get to have a life, aspects of which they share with us During sessions. They go home every night, most often get an education, and have relationships and a satisfying life. Isn’t that worth paying a little bit more as a customer? FKKs suck the oxygen out of a system. Germany has an inferior escort / small incall system than most every country with a good sex work system, including Portugal, Spain, United Kingdom, or the Czech Republic. Want some variety, especially fetish offerings? Forget about it with FKKs. It is a lot like WalMart. They destroy the local, small business community. Plenty of guys on ISG declare they are bored with FKKs after posting wonderful things about them for years.
3. And not unlike WalMart in a community, you put all of your eggs in one basket once the once-thriving local businesses are destroyed. Guess what closed during Covid, and stayed closed for a hell of a long time? The German FKKs. They are allowed but regulated by the government. Trust me, we don’t want that. Yes, they are more expensive, but guess what didn’t close during Covid? Independent escorts worldwide. When Los Angeles was trying to limit travel during Covid to essential travel to places such as grocery stores, the L.A. escorts on Twitter said they carried a little bag of groceries with them just in case. They could say they needed to help Uncle Harry cook a meal, when they were actually heading over to fuck Harry, the John.
1. The labor is largely imported. Germany has an advantage, or disadvantage depending on how you look at it, over other countries in that it is close to very poor countries and allows under the E.U. system for transient workers to do sex work at the FKKs. The women, mostly from Romania, work for weeks or months, and return to their villages with a nice wad of cash. During the c-36 debate, one of the Canadian politicians who opposed decriminalization, mentioned the German system with distaste and said Canada should never become like Germany. It is doubtful that could happen, given that most low-cost sex work labor would fly in from Venezuela and Cuba, which is a lot more expensive than being driven to Germany from Romania. But the ammunition the FKK system gives to abolitionists is stunning. When the fucking Swedes try to get their Nordic Model enacted in Europe, they harp on the FKKs and the women essentially working where they live (the living quarters are separate, but within the acreage of the facility). Can you imagine a conservative Canadian paper interviewing Venezuelan women who are happy to go back and see their children and pets after fucking hundreds of Canadian guys and American tourists for a month. Jesus Christ, the abolitionists would storm the Canadian FKK with bayonets. They are a public relations nightmare.
2. It is actually delightful to see our many Canadian and American escorts, even though they are a little more expensive than the sex workers in a Fuck Factory. Our escorts get to have a life, aspects of which they share with us During sessions. They go home every night, most often get an education, and have relationships and a satisfying life. Isn’t that worth paying a little bit more as a customer? FKKs suck the oxygen out of a system. Germany has an inferior escort / small incall system than most every country with a good sex work system, including Portugal, Spain, United Kingdom, or the Czech Republic. Want some variety, especially fetish offerings? Forget about it with FKKs. It is a lot like WalMart. They destroy the local, small business community. Plenty of guys on ISG declare they are bored with FKKs after posting wonderful things about them for years.
3. And not unlike WalMart in a community, you put all of your eggs in one basket once the once-thriving local businesses are destroyed. Guess what closed during Covid, and stayed closed for a hell of a long time? The German FKKs. They are allowed but regulated by the government. Trust me, we don’t want that. Yes, they are more expensive, but guess what didn’t close during Covid? Independent escorts worldwide. When Los Angeles was trying to limit travel during Covid to essential travel to places such as grocery stores, the L.A. escorts on Twitter said they carried a little bag of groceries with them just in case. They could say they needed to help Uncle Harry cook a meal, when they were actually heading over to fuck Harry, the John.
Like it or not, FKK SaunaClub with tons of naked babes walking around is a sight to behold. Where in Canada can you watch so many naked babes walking around, not even in naked beaches. And once you become horny enough watching naked babes, you can satisfy your quench by picking a hot one and unload all your proteins.
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I expressed a reasoned opinion, not a hot take.
”deliberately provocative commentary
In journalism, a hot take is a "piece of deliberately provocative commentary that is based almost entirely on shallow moralizing" in response to a news story, "usually written on tight deadlines with little research or reporting, and even less thought".
I have done enough study of sex work worldwide to have formed a basis for my opinion. Not unlike to concept of the critics of WalMart saying there is a high cost to a low price.
What I said was an opinion of the damage that would be caused to the current Canadian sex work system if Canada allowed legal and regulated FKKs, owned and operated by private enterprise like in Germany, where many of the FKKs have known affiliations with motorcycle gangs. You can read more about that if you follow various investigations of the owners of
Artemis and other FKKs.
To me, the best system is the closest connection between the owner of the enterprise (the escort) and the customer. That either involves independent escorting or an agency relationship where the agency is providing outsourced services to the escort.
Quite a bit different than an FKK where most of the women travelled to work at the facility from another country, live in housing that is part of the facility, have no realistic ability to leave the facility during her time there, and must compete with fifty to a hundred other naked ladies on pricing while walking around soliciting.
If you feel differently, let us know how you would see an FKK system functioning in Canada.
”deliberately provocative commentary
In journalism, a hot take is a "piece of deliberately provocative commentary that is based almost entirely on shallow moralizing" in response to a news story, "usually written on tight deadlines with little research or reporting, and even less thought".
I have done enough study of sex work worldwide to have formed a basis for my opinion. Not unlike to concept of the critics of WalMart saying there is a high cost to a low price.
What I said was an opinion of the damage that would be caused to the current Canadian sex work system if Canada allowed legal and regulated FKKs, owned and operated by private enterprise like in Germany, where many of the FKKs have known affiliations with motorcycle gangs. You can read more about that if you follow various investigations of the owners of
Artemis and other FKKs.
To me, the best system is the closest connection between the owner of the enterprise (the escort) and the customer. That either involves independent escorting or an agency relationship where the agency is providing outsourced services to the escort.
Quite a bit different than an FKK where most of the women travelled to work at the facility from another country, live in housing that is part of the facility, have no realistic ability to leave the facility during her time there, and must compete with fifty to a hundred other naked ladies on pricing while walking around soliciting.
If you feel differently, let us know how you would see an FKK system functioning in Canada.
I've never been to a FKK but it sort of sounds like a mix between a strip club and Club Dynasty. If they legalized prostitution in Canada, allowing for FKK's, I could see it being like a strip club with fuck rooms. Not much different than most of the VIP rooms now, just no need to worry about being seen.
I don’t have an objection if it is part of a healthy ecosystem.
But you should take notice of a couple of things.
The guys who like FKKs rarely mention the names of individual ladies they fucked.
When you read Terb reviews of agency and independent escorts, not only are names mentioned, but nice little details are provided about the actual girl they saw. Like she goes to college and is studying nursing, she looks forward to walking her pet dog after the shift, she took a fun vacation in the Caribbean last year with her girlfriends and her favorite island is St. Maarten, etc.
I want everyone to get what they want out of this activity. But I like meeting actual girls with names that I remember afterward, albeit working names.
Now if Canada had some of these, functioning like strip joints, where a certain percentage of Canadian sex workers find it more efficient to simply work a shift there and fuck five guys in the back rooms for half hour sessions at a slightly lower price compared to escorting (due to the increased efficiencies), that is certainly fine with me.
But where we have to be careful is letting that system take over and ruin the ecosystem for guys who enjoy seeing escorts.
Of course it is difficult to compare Germany to Canada as a result of Germany allowing the importation of foreign sex workers who live in facilities adjacent to the FKKs. Presumably this would not happen in Canada due to legislative restrictions and the simple fact that flying into Canada from Venezuela, Colombia and Mexico is simply far more expensive than being driven in a vehicle from Romania into Germany.
But over time, the old-fashioned German brothels have gradually closed, and most of the German escort scene has become very expensive and catering to Johns interested in the types of ladies not available in the FKKs, like blonde-haired Germans.
People gravitate to a low price and economic efficiencies. Those offering it drive out competitors. Traditional economics says the danger is high inflation from that point forward, given the lack of competition. Absent from economic discussion is the simple loss of customer enjoyment that once occurred. People don’t really like shopping at Walmart and ordering from Amazon anymore, but those organizations crowded everything else out.
The guys on ISG bitch about nothing being available at the FKKs but a bunch of look-a-like Romanian women, but guess what guys? You created the problem with low prices and efficiencies from lots of sex acts in a large facility. Yes, Spain, Portugal, the Czech Republic and the United Kingdom are more expensive than Germany, but there is great variety in terms of the ladies and the delivery mechanisms.
Personally, I will take the Toronto system of escorting over the German FKK system any day. I think the freedom and lifestyle choices of the sex workers is important, and the variety is useful for the customers.
