Saddam captured

[papasmerf]

Originally posted by papasmerf
As I sit here and wonder what BUSH had to do with sales to Iraq of chemical weapons. I can't imangine why people want to distort truths.

This coming from the same person who suggested Hillary Clinton would attempt to take full credit for his capture. Good stuff.

One is sarcasm.....Hillery has yet to bring a job into her district...which is where I live...so forgive me for figuing she would take credit for anything.


The other is fact. And refers to people with things to gain by discredtiting Bush and the current administration. It questions adgendas of those who try to draw this line.

 

[seven]

The lesser of two evils???

Yes, there is a difference between handing someone a gun that they "may" use to kill someone and actually pulling the trigger. The judicial system sees the difference, I don't know why you can't.

Nice try. I asked if there was a difference between handing someone a gun who you KNOW will murder with it, and being the one to actually pull the trigger.

Originally posted by Keebler Elf
You seem to be referring to the fact that the USA provided Saddam with weapons, which he then used to murder his own people.

I am. The Republican administration at the time knew that
Saddam Hussein was going to use the chemicals to murder thousands of people. I mean what else could Saddam Hussein have wanted with chemical weapons?

Originally posted by Keebler Elf
Well, sorry to shake you out of the utopia-tree but the world is not one of absolutes. There are times when nations must deal with the lesser of two evils - and Iraq in the 1980s was it.

The US sold Saddam CHEMICAL WEAPONS (lesser of two evils ????) knowing that he was going to use them, and then cried foul when he did years after the fact, to green light their own agenda. I'm sorry (well maybe not) to shake you out of your utopia tree, but you can't have it both ways, and this "lesser of two evils" argument can't always be used as a catch all clause to excuse any and all immoral behaviour.

To compare the current Bush administration to Saddam's regime is either a joke on your part or a matter of extreme ignorance.

The fact of the matter is that there are some in the Republican administration that were willful accomplices to Saddam Hussein's war autrocities. You can't just sell Saddam Hussein chemical weapons and be considered blameless to the thousands of innocent deaths that those agents caused.

Saddam's goons routinely tortured and murdered Iraqi citizens; if you think this is the road the Bush administration is on then you're obviously a conspiracy-freak and there's nothing else I have to say to you.

So do you think the Bush administration's policy is one of non-torture? What the fuck do you think is going down at Guantanamo Bay? Let me guess... the lesser of two evils.

PS Zydeco - Can you expand on what you said?

Originally posted by Zydeco
Seven - I agree that the US policy in the Middle East has been duplicitous and worse. However, the moral equivalency argument is flawed - there is none. It does not reflect reality.

 

[Ickabod]

Yes, there is a difference between handing someone a gun that they "may" use to kill someone and actually pulling the trigger. The judicial system sees the difference, I don't know why you can't.

This statement totally blows the entire "Saddam supported Al Qaida" theory to smithereens.

 

[GirlFriends Toronto]

Re: Re: Re: Great news, but....

Meanwhile, the guy who actually did it is walking around a free man.

Nah, he's cowardly hiding in a cave ... he will get caught sooner ... or later!
If they can get Saddam, they can get Bin Laden ... patience is the US's virtue obviously (imo)!

Amber

 

[Ickabod]

Originally posted by papasmerf
As I sit here and wonder what BUSH had to do with sales to Iraq of chemical weapons. I can't imangine why people want to distort truths.






One is sarcasm.....Hillery has yet to bring a job into her district...which is where I live...so forgive me for figuing she would take credit for anything.


The other is fact. And refers to people with things to gain by discredtiting Bush and the current administration. It questions adgendas of those who try to draw this line.

The country has lost, what, 3 million jobs since Bush took office? And it's a wonder New York hasn't gained any?

As far as questioning agendas of people, how about we start with the people who opposed the war in Kosovo, who now hold themselves up as the paragon of patriotic virtue by stating we all need to support the President in a time of war. Yeah, no agendas there.

 

[papasmerf]

The country has lost, what, 3 million jobs since Bush took office? And it's a wonder New York hasn't gained any?

As far as questioning agendas of people, how about we start with the people who opposed the war in Kosovo, who now hold themselves up as the paragon of patriotic virtue by stating we all need to support the President in a time of war. Yeah, no agendas there.

Let's stick to the topic at hand.

But I will say that the 3 million jobs lost are not a result of current administration ploicies. It takes about 24 months for actions of the White House to affect the pubic sectors employment. The job losses are a result of the weakened state of the economy caused by the Clintion affiars and subsequent subsequent IMPEACHMENT.

 

[james t kirk]

Question: Good idea to sell into the upcoming Santa Saddam stock rally?

jwm

My thoughts EXACTLY.

As far as Saddam goes. I am glad he has been caught. I am surprised that they took him alive. I wish they had of killed him, or he killed himself. This will be more of a dog and pony show than M. Jackson and OJ combined.

For all the tough guy rhetoric that Saddam used, he is just like every other dictator, a coward who ended up hiding in ditch with rats. How appropriate.

Congratulations are in order for the special forces that captured him, and for all the US and British troops. As much as I thought that war was fought for lies, I do admire the troops that are doing the dirty work.

It is my sincere hope that the capture of Saddam Hussein somehow deters any future attacks.

 

[djk]

I've got to say seven - I'm not a fan of the President or his administration's policies - but your second statement is ridiculous in the extreme.

It's typical Liberal fodder.

Cheers,

-djk

 

[djk]

With this good news, I think it will be a waste of money and time to hold a 2004 election. No matter who dislikes Bush, he will get another four years in office.

Amber

Agreed.

The best thing is the amount of Liberal friends I have, blinded by their hate for Bush, is easy money.

I made a bunch of bets with them. Come December 2004, I should be rolling in the cash.

Bush will be re-elected 2004 hands down.

Cheers,

-djk

 

[djk]

Re: Re: Re: Great news, but....

So at the cost of 450 Americans (and counting) and $160 Billion (and counting) we got the guy who fantasized about killing thousands of Americans but seemed to know better than to try. Meanwhile, the guy who actually did it is walking around a free man.

Maybe not any American lives but he was real good at killing his own people.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8110691%5E1702,00.html

Cheers,

-djk

 

[djk]

Ah, world reaction to Saddam's capture.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/12/14/sprj.irq.saddam.world.reaction/index.html

Good to see all those cowards siding with Bush for once.

Cheers,

-djk

 

[Dancerfan]

No one is ever allowed to make a mistake in Politics right? I mean ya, US may have give weapons and of course they were completely stupid to think that they would not be used against him, but Bush was not a round at that time and he just went in and cleaned up the mess that the previous political powers had done.

Right on Bush!!!!!!

Kiarra

Right on Kiarra!!

It never fails to amaze me how many anti American,left wing liberal crusaders are on this board......whether they like it or not the US is our major trading partner and our biggest ally,maybe the Toronto Star tells it differently........

 

[djk]

Democrats reponse to Saddam's capture:

http://www.iconoclast.ca/MainPage.asp?page=/newPage1.asp

Too funny.

Cheers,

-djk

 

[dudelove]

Yee ha!!

Bubba does it again!!

 

[stang]

Great that he's out of circulation, but I'm sure there's many in the US Administration who are upset that he was taken alive. I'll bet some heads will roll. Still alive what the hell do they do with him. They have to be extremely cautious now of world opinion, something that they have not been very good at up until now, and making a martyr out of him in the middle-east. Can't see them executing him, and as long as he's alive he'll be a source of inspiration for fanatical followers.
What are they gonna do - lock him up with Noriega and Milosivic? With extra bunks ready for Kim Jong Il and Osama?

What a potential hornet's nest. Would be a shame if he was shot trying to escape?

 

[papasmerf]

Re: Re: Re: Yay Bush

China, that's what stops the US.

Have to think they need to thank the previous administration for the assistance given to the NECULAR program in China.

 

[Ickabod]

Let's stick to the topic at hand.

I did, at least to the topic that you first broached.

But I will say that the 3 million jobs lost are not a result of current administration ploicies. It takes about 24 months for actions of the White House to affect the pubic sectors employment. The job losses are a result of the weakened state of the economy caused by the Clintion affiars and subsequent subsequent IMPEACHMENT.

An impeachment that was nothing more than right wing kooks gone wild. And Bush's actions as President are making the impeachment look dumber by the day.

And you're saying that the same policies that created 8 years of prosper are responsible for also losing 3 million jobs. Nice try. But "sticking to the topic at hand", either way, exactly how is that the fault of Hillary Clinton?

 

[sarasota]

I guess they also found a sleigh and eight tiny reindeer in a nearby barn.

He looks like santa.

 

[Ickabod]

With this good news, I think it will be a waste of money and time to hold a 2004 election. No matter who dislikes Bush, he will get another four years in office.

Amber

Perhaps. But take it from me, Americans have a very short attention span. If the insurgency continues, and Americans keep dying, and another multi billion dollar chunk of money is requested, then 3 weeks from now the capture will be old news, let alone 9 months from now. And Bush will lose 2 of his excuses....that the insurgency is from Saddam loyalists, and we can't find anything because people are too afraid of Saddam to talk to us.

And that's even before we get into what the guy who Bush has ignored for the last year might do in the next 6 to 8 months. God forbid.

 

[gramage]

isn't it kind of sad that several people here are saying that because of one man's capture people will ignore a giant deficit millions of jobs lost Americans dying around the world foreign relations that have gone to shit and what appears to be several examples of lies and corruption?

whats even sadder is I think their absolutely right.