Screw the Liberals...!

[Fine Wine]

I was traveling to Ottawa last week when a tire blew out. Checking my spare, I found that it to was flat. My only option was to flag down a passing motorist and get a ride to the next town. The first vehicle to stop was an old man in a van. He yelled out the window, "Need a lift?" "Yes, I sure do," I replied. "You a Liberal or Conservative?" asked the old man. "Conservative," I replied. "Well, you can just go to Hell" yelled the old man as he sped off.

Another guy stopped, rolled down the window, and asked me the same question. Again, I gave the same answer, "Conservative." The driver gave me the finger and drove off. I thought it over and decided that maybe I should change my strategy, since this area seemed to be overly political and there appeared to be few Conservatives.

The next car to stop was a red convertible driven by a drop dead beautiful blonde. She smiled seductively and asked if I was a Liberal or Conservative. "Liberal!" I shouted. "Hop in!" replied the blonde. Driving down the road, I couldn't help but stare at this gorgeous woman in the seat next to me, the wind blowing through her hair, perfect breasts, and a short skirt that continued to ride higher and higher up her thighs.

Finally, I yelled, "Please stop the car." She immediately slammed on the brakes and as soon as the car stopped, I jumped out. "What's the matter?" she asked. "I can't take it anymore," I replied. "I've only been a Liberal for five minutes and, already, I want to screw somebody."

I know, it's an old joke but it came to mind today as I was thinking of the miserable state of Canadian politics. Surely this Liberal government is the most dishonest and crooked this country has ever had. We have our own moron to contend with and to think we have to put up with him for another 18 months while he tries [belatedly] to mold his legacy at our expense.

Fine Wine

 

[Irish06j]

I know, it's an old joke but it came to mind today as I was thinking of the miserable state of Canadian politics. Surely this Liberal government is the most dishonest and crooked this country has ever had. We have our own moron to contend with and to think we have to put up with him for another 18 months while he tries [belatedly] to mold his legacy at our expense.

Fine Wine

What's your opinion of the Conservative government of Ontario?
Feeding $600 million to consultants (who were either former employees of the province or friends of the PC party) while claiming to have no money for important programs such as education, health care, social services, etc. is just as pathetic. Harris and now Eves have a different concept of reality than most. I have been a lifetime Liberal and I abhor the way the Liberals have managed this country so far but quite frankly the PC's have not proven that they are any better (remember Mulroney who caused the PC party to almost disappear?). Makes you think twice about supporting any political party or any politican - they are all the same regardless of philosophy. The agenda seems to be the same - screw the middle class every way possible and stuff their own pockets with our hard earned cash. Sucks whichever way you look at it!

 

[Goober Mcfly]

Re: Re: Screw the Liberals...!

Sucks whichever way you look at it!

No, that's the NDP.

 

[Dr69]

Weren't the Federal Tories decimated and literally hounded out of Ottawa after their dismal failure in running the country?

Or do you believe Brian Mulroney was the greatest PM ever?

If you really are that naive and stupid and want to know what it feels to live like under an imperialistic Conservative regime why don't you just move down to the States? I am sure they would love you over there.

 

[Prophet]

I've always felt that the difference between Brian O'Booze and Jean Crouton is that the latter hasn't used an iron wedge to force the medicine in. Mulroney had no respect for anyone other than himself and his future biographer. Of course, you might then say that Crouton is worse for putting us to sleep so skillfully.

 

[Fine Wine]

Conservatives

It's obvious that Irish06j, Dr69 and Prophet have all jumped to the conclusion that my condemnation of the Liberals is an endorsement of the Conservatives. Interesting lesson in human dynamics and couldn't be further from the case.

By the way, agree with the comments about the United States. Is that one f----ed up country or what..!

Fine Wine

 

[Irish06j]

Re: Conservatives

It's obvious that Irish06j, Dr69 and Prophet have all jumped to the conclusion that my condemnation of the Liberals is an endorsement of the Conservatives. Interesting lesson in human dynamics and couldn't be further from the case.
Fine Wine

Sorry if I mis-interpreted your message - I do agree with what you say about the Liberals but the bottom line is there is no one party right now in Canada that can run this country the way it should be run - they don't have the guts and they are blinded by their own interests once they are in power. This was a good thread - I enjoyed the exchange of views.

 

[train]

With the blind patronizm along party lines of Irish , Dr69 and Prophet we are doomed to another term of the current government . Can no one grasp the concept that these guys NEED TO BE FIRED . If their replacements are no good then fire them at the the first opportunity as well. The lack of accountability in government is staggering and it's this blind loyalty to a party that helps perpetuate it .

 

[niplust]

Remember Trudeau?

Most of you are too young to remember when Trudeau was called the most hated man in Canada in the early 80's.

Inflation was 16% and he and his finance minister (a guy named Jean Chretien) admitted that government spending was out of control and that they had no idea how much they were spending. (Sound familiar?).

Now that Martin is gone from the cabinet, the civil service is now larger than before Martin took office and cut thousands of unproductive, overpaid civil servants.

And government spending? Well - the budget of $2 million for the firearms registry will cost $1 billion when all is said and done. Sounds to me like spending is once again Chretienesque.

Parliament passes a program with a budget and the Liberals spend a mere 500 times more than budgeted. That is like taking your car for an estimated repair, signing the $200 estimate and getting a bill for $10,000.

No doubt there are banana republics that are almost as good at squandering money. The next step will be to hire Groupaction Quebec for a few million to compile a list of newspaper artilces on the subject.

Only in Canada you say?

Cheers

 

[Irish06j]

With the blind patronizm along party lines of Irish , Dr69 and Prophet we are doomed to another term of the current government . Can no one grasp the concept that these guys NEED TO BE FIRED . If their replacements are no good then fire them at the the first opportunity as well. The lack of accountability in government is staggering and it's this blind loyalty to a party that helps perpetuate it .

I agree that the Liberals have f...ked up this country as the Conservatives did before them - the point I was making was that there is no one party right now in the Canadian politcal arena capable of doing the job we the average Canadian would like to see. No matter which party or which politician goes in it's the same sad story - they think of themselves first and how many new ways to screw job public.
I also made the poiint that we need a similar system to the US and that is a recall system to fire the numbnuts at the first sign that they are not performing - this is accountibility in action. We also need an impeachment process to remove individuals and banish them from public life forever. Party loyalty is out the window - individual accountibility is what it's all about to protect the interests of all.

 

[red ram]

Nobody has or will in the near future step up to the plate and take control off the mess that the last few decades of mis-managed government has left us in.It takes alot of guts to do what Mike Harris did.......he turned alot of people off...the very thing that makes the most sense to keep an economy flowing.....trickle down economics......it seems that after being given hand outs for years...most people are to dim witted to understand how it really works......so until someone can deliver this with turning the voting public against the party leader......get used to living in the largest state in the world...state of confusion

 

[mr. x]

Does anyone remember the "JOBS FOR LIFE" promise that Trudeau made to the the unions?

Just remember this, Trudeau started the immigration policy that exists today and the majority of those immigrants will support the party that let them in. So until I see a majority of the "born in Canada" Canadians start going to the polls, things are going to remain "status quo" for the next few years.

sheik - you and i have debated before politics - and frankly i think you get a lot of unimportant things wrong, you know, like THE FACTS.

for example - "jobs for life" - i never heard of this! which unions? what year. if this really happened, please find it on the web from a reliable source. what did happen on trudeaus watch was indexing civil service pensions to inflation, and a few other boondoggles, but this one I never heard of.

immigration changes? our current policy eveolved in several steps - diefenbaker opened up immigration to non-europeans around 1962 - though often pearson is credited with this because dief was gone soon after...

immigration policy didn't change much until mulroney - HE was the one who decided to boost immigration to 250,000 per year, because he wanted to snatch the immigrant vote from the liberals. the cureent liberal government has continued the follies of mulroney, and have not made the necessary reforms.

we had a whole debate on immigration in another thread - read diane francis's book "immigration: the economic case" or daniel stoffman's "who gets in?" - although he too does a lot of liberal bashing over refugee policy - which is perhaps the one area where the liberals reacted wrongly to a supreme court ruling.

oh, and the majority of voters were born in canada, except perhaps in the cities of toronto and vancouver.

 

[penguin_jf]

Confusing to me!!

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Socially, I'm middle of the road, neither conservative or socialist. I believe in some of the liberal values but I would not consider myself a bleeding heart liberal. I believe this is the type of person that Martin is and he is someone I would support. Fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

So that means you feel REALLY REALLY bad about the poor, hungry and homeless?

 

[notenufmuff]

Liberals bite

I have never been a big fan of the Liberals. I thought Trudeau was an ass and Cretien his noble protege. Tax the rich and give all the money away to the welfare recipients.

Was anyone paying attention when Mulrooney ran for office? He did exactly what he promissed to do. I guess Canadians aren't used to this. WAKE UP. Harris did the same thing. What did the residents of Ontario do? Complain. GIVE ME A BREAK

A side note: When you look at the U.S. Their two favorite presidents were horny toad studs. (Clinton & Kennedy)

 

[DoctorDon]

Re: Liberals bite

Was anyone paying attention when Mulrooney ran for office? He did exactly what he promissed to do. I guess Canadians aren't used to this.

Right, I must have been asleep during the '84 election. As I recall that was the election in which Mulroney said that he would never negotiate free trade with the US and he said he would balance the budget. The one where he took John Turner to task for appointing Trudeau's cronies to the Senate. What did he do? He negotiated free trade (I did agree with freetrade), he nearly doubled the budget deficit from about 25 billion to to over 40 billion and he proceeded to practice pork barrel politics like it had never been pracriced before.

Mike Harris in his first term did what he promised. I may not have agreed with a lot of what he did but I have the upmost respect for him because he practiced what he preached. Mulroney on the other hand seemed to always do the opposite.

What we have had over the last 30 years from Trudeau to Mulroney to Chretien are PMs who have assumed more and more power while showing less and less regard for the electorate.

 

[mr. x]

Re: Re: Liberals bite

Mike Harris in his first term did what he promised. I may not have agreed with a lot of what he did but I have the upmost respect for him because he practiced what he preached. Mulroney on the other hand seemed to always do the opposite.

What we have had over the last 30 years from Trudeau to Mulroney to Chretien are PMs who have assumed more and more power while showing less and less regard for the electorate.

regarding harris, check out

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/9378/top_ten_harris_lies.htm

its funny, i don't remember hearing him say that he was going to amalgamate metor toronto, and there are so many other things he did which show little regard for the electorate, so you should include him in your last paragraph...

when he ran in 95, he won because the media trashed the liberals, the voters didn't want the ndp back, and harris seemed to have a consisten message and a reagonesque quality of seeming to stand for something, of having some core beliefs, and having the kind of personality that made him the kind of guy you would want to have over for a party or BBQ. politics these days is more about personality that it is about substance - someone like sheila copps would never win because of a grating personality (not that i would want her to win)... martin seems okay, and chretien has had public support because of his rough, underdog personality... this is why, despite all the advantages gore had, he didn't beat bush by much in the popular vote - gore isn't the kind of guy you would invite over to play poker... some jerks like ralph klein fit the bill perfectly, and thus get elected!

 

[Sweet_Ashley_69]

Lmao that is why I moved away from Ottawa to POLITICAL for me ...... POLITICAL....SMALL..... AND I AGREE T.O IS A LOT BETTER THEN OTTAWA. I couldnt stand it there to many ritch stuck ups while some of the good people are still on the streets that can work but they won't let them get good jobs.... MAKES ME SICK... I was one of them..... thats why I moved back to my home town!!