Shocking collapse in Canadian visitors to the US

nottyboi

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What's your point? If you are transiting, you bring very, very little to the US economy. A minimal portion of your flight tickets and maybe a coffee or a beer in the layover?
Not really, transit passengers help maintain the critical mass of the US airline network. With that network some people stay and some people connect, but when volumes drop, flight get more expensive, frequency drop and the network starts to fray.
 
Could be, one was an acquaintance of mine who said it happened to his friend.
I also heard anecdotes online.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianPolitics/comments/1jz3bdz
Thank you for the sources. Yes, anecdotes may not tell the whole story, but after further research, I think I agree that this is happening.

Freedom of speech only applies to laws passed by Congress, and border agents have total discretion not to allow you in for any reason. So a Trump fan border agent can not admit, regardless of whether they violated any law.. Sexworkers have, for years, been denied US admission if there is evidence of their "immoral" activities. This assumes that the foreigner is not yet within the US (allowed entry by CDP).

What is in dispute is the massive immigration deportations, as Trump lies, saying "dangerous criminals." But most of the detentions of folks without papers have never committed a crime or a speeding ticket 10 years ago, and many have deep roots in the US, working and maybe have been in the US 20 years with family, etc.

On 9/30/2025, after a long trial and testimony in the case of American Association of University Professors v. Rubio, a Federal Court ruled that free speech can also apply to non-citizens once they are in the US. It is a 161-page opinion that I have not entirely read, but that makes some interesting points from a quick scan. The Trump Justice Department will probably appeal it. But as of now, there are no free speech rights of non-citizens.

There are many cases of ICE detainment of students protesting the genocide of Palestinian civilians. I strongly support Israel's right to go after Hamas, but it has gone overboard, killing too many civilians. I want to ask, when they do massive attacks by the Israeli army, is anyone shooting back at them???

The Federal Court case

Case 1:25-cv-10685-WGY Document 261 Filed 09/30/25 Page 1 of 161

 

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Ya right lol And if this just so happens to be true are people not able to say I don’t have an opinion or stay neutral and just not say anything.
It's true. Happened to my neighbour and they turned him around for saying he thought Trump was ruining the Can/USA friendship. They said he'd also need an "exemption" before he tried to enter the US again.. or he'd "risk being detained". This guy is a fucking surgeon at a big GTA hospital, and white.

 

wpgguy

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Crossing the border by car can be especially intimidating nowadays.




The Guardian isn’t exactly known for unbiased reporting.

I crossed by car 4 times this year, twice from MB, once from ON and once from AB. Nothing out of the ordinary at all, one of the crossings in to the US was probably the quickest I’ve ever had. The only issue I had at all was crossing in to ON the Canadian Customs Officer was a complete dick, I felt like he was intentionally trying to goad me into an argument.

Like some of the others said I have a fairly regular history of crossing at the same points at roughly the same times, I’ve always been honest with what I have in the car and never been caught lying. I wasn’t stopped more than about 3 mins crossing in to the US this year.
 
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wpgguy

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Nonsense. A number of other casinos have gone bankrupt, including Caesar's Palace: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas-strip-resort-venue-020300964.html?guccounter=1

While the tables always make money on an operating basis, people tend to underestimate the overhead costs of running a casino.
The massive amount of online gaming sites is probably the biggest factor in the decline of casinos, not to mention VLTs in bars, Indian casinos etc. No need for Joe and Jane six pack to hop on a plane and head to Vegas anymore. I’ve never been to Vegas as gambling just doesn’t interest me but a friend who used to go once or twice a year stopped going because of the crazy prices and felt like he was being screwed over for cash at every turn.
 

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As long as this is the government of the U.S., then I won't step foot in a single state. Boycotting travel to the US isn't hard - i booked Cancun for my kids and I at Xmas, and m going to Whistler at spring break vs any US travels. Add a poor exchange rate, and going to the US just isn't worth it to me.

What is much harder is trying to boycott American products. That's basically impossible.
 

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As a guy who went a couple times a year.....

Strip became a rip off, comps declined to laughable levels, prices rose, cheap dining options eliminated. I switched to Freemont which is fun but trashy. Also became a regular at Southpoint which is a bit of a gem.

In the end though the combination of costs, general gouging attitude, generic resorts, bad gambling rules, and just being rightly pissed off with the US govt has made the decision easy to walk away for now. I can go to other nations, find new things, cross off some bucket list destinations.

And yes tourism is hurting, and not just there. I'm getting emails from US destinations, rental car companies even, offering "deals" and extoling their virtues, that I haven't heard from, used in a decade or more.

I always send feedback stating I don't at this time feel welcome or safe traveling to the USA. Just to get the point across. It's a tiny drop. But it's what I can do.
 

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The Guardian isn’t exactly known for unbiased reporting.

I crossed by car 4 times this year, twice from MB, once from ON and once from AB. Nothing out of the ordinary at all, one of the crossings in to the US was probably the quickest I’ve ever had. The only issue I had at all was crossing in to ON the Canadian Customs Officer was a complete dick, I felt like he was intentionally trying to goad me into an argument.

Like some of the others said I have a fairly regular history of crossing at the same points at roughly the same times, I’ve always been honest with what I have in the car and never been caught lying. I wasn’t stopped more than about 3 mins crossing in to the US this year.
I went down twice, the first time the airport was empty, second time quiet but there were people there. Both times crossing was easy but I'm not a target demographic. I have friends who have to wipe their phones because they know they are more likely to get pulled out.
 
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bggolfingmaniac

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I went down twice, the first time the airport was empty, second time quiet but there were people there. Both times crossing was easy but I'm not a target demographic. I have friends who have to wipe their phones because they know they are more likely to get pulled out.
That's another reason why I'm not bothering going to the U.S. I'm not going to scrub my phone off any political content. Free speech matters to me and there's a big world out there, not just the USA.
 
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