If this were me going to make a donation, and the ignorant woman who quoted "this is America," i would have slaped her across the face. Get the picture?Rylan said:Ya maybe. We say it here all the time. This is Canada, we have free speech - Blah, Blah, Blah - you don't know how the conversation really went down. You just assume it was meant in some hate-spirited way to people who are different, but that might not be the case at all.
We don't know what was said by who first. We have one account that was written by the media, and we all know how the media likes to hype things up.
If Khera was going on about his right to wear his turban..
"I am a Sihks, and it is my right and religious belief to wear my turban......
Then I can see a reply of : "but this is America. We also have the right to make and enforce any policy we deem appropriate......"
The quote of America could have been used to express the individual "freedoms" that the US stands for. It could have also been used on both sides for the purpose of debate between the two. It was even used used in the article. Khera said "I am a United States citizen." Also remember it was his "recollection" that was accounted in the article.
So saying "This is America" can be used in many ways. If you can not open your mind to that and all other possibilities, then there is no point in trying to debate it with you.
So what do we know?
-He was not "discriminated" against - the policy was the same for everyone
-There was no racist action - the policy was the same for everyone
-The one possible problem was the "This is America" comment which we don't know which content it was actually used in. So we still can really bitch because we don't know.
I know many guys on here that know better then to wear a hat at the dinner table, and we know this because we seriously got told:
"This is the dinner table! No hats at the table!"
Sir, you have to remove your turban. This is the United States of America.
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tboy said:
Exactly!
So rough and tough online, but I highly doubt that would have happen in real life.
But again, no one is talking into account that the women has not told her side of the story, the media sensationalized this story and the guy was pissed about being asked to remove his turban and naturally one would think he turn into in a racist issue when was not the case.
If the comment "This is America" was used in the context that some are saying - then I agree it was not appropriate, but if it was said in a different context, like I gave example too, then they did nothing wrong.
Well said Keeb's,Keebler Elf said:
I remember a few years ago an old Sikh gentleman (ex Veteran of WW2) was visiting some relatives in BC and wanted to attend a Remembrance Day ceremony that was held at a local Legion Hall and he was denied entry because of their "non-headgear policy".
I couldn't believe the disrespect this man was given. He had fought and spilled blood for Great Britain and the Allies in the war and when he wanted to pay his respects for his fellow comrades who had fallen in the war, he was not allowed.
Disgraceful.
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Yes it is a part of their relegion and cultural attire. It also keeps their hair tidy.dajodo2 said:
"When a Sikh man or woman dons a turban, the turban ceases to be just a band of cloth; for it becomes one and the same with the Sikh's head. The turban, as well as the four other articles of faith worn by Sikhs, has an immense spiritual and temporal significance. While the symbolism associated with wearing a turban are many — sovereignty, dedication, self-respect, courage and piety, but!, the main reason that Sikhs wear a turban is to show--their love, obedience and respect for the founder of the Khalsa Guru Gobind Singh."
What was the guy supposed to do, take it off and let his hair drag across the floor?
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That video sounds like a lot of male rhetoric that you would have heard in this country about 80 years ago. Hell, women didn't have the right to vote in Quebec until 1940.dajodo2 said:
Dude, I have a number of Muslim friends who drink, smoke and party and whose wives drive and don't hide their faces or even cover their hair. A few I know are really "Henpecked" and their wives run the whole show.
Most of them have left their place of birth and have immigrated to the West because they like and agree with Western ideologies.There are religious nuts of all religions that bend and manipulate their beliefs to serve their own personal agendas. Don't lump and condemn an entire religion because of the extremists.
If you feel you must, then the Catholic Church has a lot to answer for during the Spanish Inquisition.
And what about Warren Steed Jeffs the leader and bigamist of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (in Utah U.S. of A) who was charged with arranging marriages between is adult male followers and underage girls … what a great Christian.
How did this Sikh Turban thread turn into a Muslim thread anyway? … ignorance perhaps?
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Ok? if that's what you think but that would still not be a hat.RemyMartin said:
"hat (ht) n.
1. A covering for the head, especially one with a shaped crown and brim.
2.
a. A head covering of distinctive color and shape worn as a symbol of office.
b. The office symbolized by the wearing of such a head covering.
3. A role or office symbolized by or as if by the wearing of different hats: wears two hatsone as parent and one as corporate executive."
#2. a & b was what the Legion's rule was referring to and that visiting Soldiers or (ex) should remove there rank headgear. #1 was referring to visiting non soldiers.
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