Suicide?

[Brandon123]

I think this thread has gone too far, if anyone is considering committing suicide, they should admit themselves to a hospital right away. Regarding someone earlier stating that hospitals kick people out is incorrect, no hospital would ever kick a person out who admits they want to harm themselves, that I know for a fact.

 

[HOF]

Why or Why Not isn't important or the question!

Wet-Suit-One are you in need of assistance? If you answer any combination of these, seek help.

1. Do you think about suicide often?
2. Are you isolated from others?
3. Have you been visiting family and/or friends that you wouldn't regularly see?
4. Are you giving personal items away?
5. Have you been making final arrangements?
6. Do you have a will?
7. Have you ever been counseled for suicidal ideation?
8. Have you ever attempted suicide?
9. Do you presently have a plan to suicide?

Are you aware of any support systems in your immediate community or within a broader area?

Toronto:
416-408-HELP (4357)
http://www.torontodistresscentre.com/distress.shtml

CAMH or 911
http://www.camh.net/Care_Treatment/...Choices/challenges_choices_inemergcrisis.html

Distress Centres Ontario
Ontario
Website: dcontario.org

(DCO) Distress Centre Niagara
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (905) 688 3711
Hotline: 905 734 1212/905 382 0689
Website: dcontario.org

(DCO) Telecare Distress Centre Brampton
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (905) 459 7777
Website: telecarebrampton.org

(DCO) Distress Centre Lanark, Leeds & Grenville
Ontario
Hotline: 1 800 465 4442
Website: dcontario.org

(DCO) Distress Centre Durham
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (905) 433-1121
Website: distresscentredurham.com

(DCO) Telecare Distress Centre Etobicoke
Ontario
Hotline: +1(416) 247-5426
Website: webhome.idirect.com/~tdce

(DCO) Distress Line Grey & Bruce
Ontario
Hotline: 1 888 371 8485
Website: dcontario.org

(DCO) Tel-Aide Jewish Distress Centre
Ontario
Hotline: ++ 1 (416) 636-9610
Website: dcontario.org

(DCO) Distress Centre Hamilton
Ontario
Hotline: ++ 1 (905) 525-8611
Website: dcontario.org

(DCO) Distress Centre London & District
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (519) 667-6711
Website: londondistresscentre.com

(DCO) North Halton Distress Centre
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (905) 877-1211
Website: dcontario.org

(DCO) Distress Centre Oakville
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (905) 849 4541
Website: distresscentreoakville.com/

(DCO) Distress Centre Ottawa & Region
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (613) 238 3311
Website: dcottawa.on.ca

(DCO) Tel-Aide Outaouais
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (613) 741 6433
Hotline: 1 800 567 9699
Website: tel-aide-outaouais.org
E-mail Helpline: plume@tel-aide-outaouais.org

(DCO) Distress Centre Peel
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (905) 278 7208
Website: distresscentrepeel.com

(DCO) Distress Centre Sarnia-Lambton
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (519) 336 3000
Website: familycounsellingcentre.ca/home.cfm

(DCO) Distress Centres of Toronto
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (416) 408 4357
Website: torontodistresscentre.com

(DCO) Distress Centre Waterloo Region
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (519) 745 1166
Website: cmhawrb.on.ca/distress.htm

(DCO) Distress Centre Wellington/Dufferin
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (519) 821 3760
Website: dc-wd.org

(DCO) Distress Centre Windsor/Essex
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (519) 256-5000
Website: dcwindsor.com
E-mail Helpline: support@dcwindsor.com

(DCO) Telephone Aid Line Kingston
Ontario
Hotline: +1 (613) 544 1771
Website: http://members.kingston.net/talk

Suicide Action Montreal
2345 est. rue Belanger
H2G 1C9
MONTREAL
Quebec
Hotline: (514) 723 4000
Website: suicideactionmontreal.qc.ca

Chimo Helpline Inc.
PO Box 1033
NB E3B 5C2
FREDERICTON
Contact by: - Phone
Hotline: Fredericton Area: 450-HELP (4357)
Hotline: Toll free provincial helpline: 1-800-667-5005

Distress Line of Southwestern Alberta (Canada)
426 - 6th Street South
T1J 2C9
Lethbridge
Alberta
Contact by: - Phone
Hotline: 403 327 7905
24 Hour service:

Unfortunately I have been on scene for

1. A dangler used torn sheet tied tightly around the neck and died while sleeping.
2. A cutter (slashed the carotid artery with the glass from a broken tube light and had barricaded the area)cut down two danglers, responded to a throat cutter.

Friends from high-school

3. Two former colleagues that suicided after being dismissed.
4. Three high school mates that thought their parents vehicles were airplanes.
One burned in a house fire set by a spurned boyfriend. (father, friend, sister died), mother died 6
earlier from cancer, her little brother survived from jumping out the window.
5. One that received the call from hospital saying his father had taken a turn for the worse and hung
himself while his mother and sister went to the hospital. His father lived until he found out about his
son.

Fuji made one comment that is a definite:
Terb is not the place to seek assistance for what ails you!

 

[Frosty]

I was gonna say something that I know I'm gonna get banned.

 

[fuji]

There have been a few decent points in here. You haven't provided a single one!

fuji: Your outlook on life can change based on your attitude, and you're attitude can be artificially or inappropriately negative. The life that seems awful today may seem pretty good tomorrow. It may be chemical. It may be stress. It may be a healthy but temporary reaction to misfortune.

 

[red]

do you want suicide to be the last thing you ever do?

 

[wet_suit_one]

Wet-Suit-One are you in need of assistance? If you answer any combination of these, seek help.

<snip>

Unfortunately I have been on scene for

1. A dangler used torn sheet tied tightly around the neck and died while sleeping.
2. A cutter (slashed the carotid artery with the glass from a broken tube light and had barricaded the area)cut down two danglers, responded to a throat cutter.

Friends from high-school

3. Two former colleagues that suicided after being dismissed.
4. Three high school mates that thought their parents vehicles were airplanes.
One burned in a house fire set by a spurned boyfriend. (father, friend, sister died), mother died 6
earlier from cancer, her little brother survived from jumping out the window.
5. One that received the call from hospital saying his father had taken a turn for the worse and hung
himself while his mother and sister went to the hospital. His father lived until he found out about his
son.

Fuji made one comment that is a definite:
Terb is not the place to seek assistance for what ails you!

Thanks for this HOF. That's mighty neighbourly of you. I appreciate the contact #'s. I did in fact attend the hospital today. Me and suicidal ideation go back a long way so to me, it's no big deal. Just need to rebalance the brain chemistry.

Still, my questions with respect to living or dying remain to be discussed (as some here have discussed). I'm not seeking help, I'm looking for a reasonable discussion of the issues I've raised.

Thanks for your input all the same.

Cheers!

 

[wet_suit_one]

do you want suicide to be the last thing you ever do?

Why not?

I suppose it might be better if I strapped on a bomb and took out a bad guy with me (once considered in the past, not so much these days, as "bad guys" is not usually as black and white as we'd like to think). Why is it such a bad thing (especially if the person's family and friends are no longer with us)?

 

[wet_suit_one]

fuji: Your outlook on life can change based on your attitude, and you're attitude can be artificially or inappropriately negative. The life that seems awful today may seem pretty good tomorrow. It may be chemical. It may be stress. It may be a healthy but temporary reaction to misfortune.

I suppose that I have to say, I stand corrected.

Still though, why not suicide or self directed extinction other than the ones pointed out above? Alternatively, why live? Do you really need that many more people to argue with? Do tell....

 

[fuji]

Whatever is going on in death, you will find out about that soon enough, and experience it for billions of years. We only get a few short years of life. If death is better, well, you're going to be getting a lot of it anyway, so why not try out life a little longer?

 

[Cypher]

...I've done my piece and I'm tired of this shit.

As well, your point does not address those with altered brain chemistry. It ain't necessarily so simple as being "caught up feeling sorry for [oneself]." When one has lived decades with suicidal thoughts (see posts above), there's clearly a bit more than being "caught up feeling sorry for myself." Be glad that that was not your fate, but others bear that burden. Respect it.

Well, indirectly it does. It postulates that further exploration of means to change perspective may present an escape from such malaise, perhaps several, other than suicide which appears to be your rooted, default position. To paraphrase, "All said and done, it's all shit, pointless, I'm tired of it, suicide is the only alternative."

More specifically, I am addressing it by suggesting perspective is not necessarily a powerless slave to brain chemistry, a thesis heretical to the pharmaceutical industry. But really what motivation do they have to see us empowered in any meaningful, lasting or self-sufficient way? And if they know so much how come they can't cure shit? Yup, all remains endemic and incurable. Depression, pessimism and misery remain the tragic lot of the biologically challenged - save for salvation via pharmaceutical intervention. Thank god they're there to suck up billions upon gazillions to medicate us into submission to this paradigm. Couldn't possibly be any other alternative worth exploring could there? Alternatives which, heaven forbid, don't necessarily cost a fortune and necessitate regular prescription refill? Nope, no chance. Not possible. Can't be done. Yup, what's the point...

Mindset sound like anyone you know? God knows there's no shortage of industries that bank on us remaining rooted in opinion, closed to change and trapped in prisons of our own making. In other words, without hope.

Finding ways to think beyond the often arbitrary restrictions that we all place on achieving a more fulfilling state of being is one of many possible methods, both abstract and material, that we can utilize to do just this: alter brain chemistry, entertain the notion that a miracle is a change in perception, discover how much power you really do have in manifesting meaning and joy in your life. That's a wondrous notion, a beguiling incentive to continue to explore life and the miracle of our consciousness.

Or you can just sigh with indifference, surrender to victim hood and cling to the empty solace that it matters naught - such a long, arduous journey for such a shallow breath of life. Some guy you may have heard of encapsulated the sentiment a little better: "A tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." And what did he accomplish after writing those capitulating barbs of nihilism, other than Hamlet and dozens more of the most enduring works in English literature? Pointless, right?

I do not know you, thus I can't walk in your shoes. But I do know of severe clinical depression, personally, did in fact suffer from it on and off for the better part of two decades. And I have been fortunate to find ways to combat it and climb out of that seemingly bottomless pit. I know it's not easy and harder for some than others. We do what we can. There will always be misfortunes and tragedy beyond our control. There are victims in life. But we should rue becoming victim to our own closed mind. That is truly tragedy.

 

[diehard]

wet_suit_one,

do you have plans for the weekend?

 

[jwmorrice]

wet_suit_one,

do you have plans for the weekend?

Reminds me of this scene from a Woody Allen film, Take the Money and Run (1969):

Allen: That's quite a lovely Jackson Pollock, isn't it?
Woman: Yes, it is.
Allen: What does it say to you?
Woman: It restates the negativeness of the universe. The hideous lonely emptiness of existence. Nothingness. The predicament of man forced to live in a barren, godless eternity like a tiny flame flickering in an immense void with nothing but waste, horror, and degradation, forming a useless, bleak straitjacket in a black, absurd cosmos.
Allen: What are you doing Saturday night?
Woman: Committing suicide.
Allen: What about Friday night?

 

[simon482]

what if the light you see at the end of the tunnel is just a birth canal of you being reincarnated and coming out another hole and starting over.

 

[nottyboi]

I think there are times when suicide is appropriate.. if one is suffering from a debilitating disease... or if one is terribly disabled to the point that life is untenable and one feels like too much of a burden to ones loved ones.. sure. Sometimes life does not really seem worth living, but melancholy just means one needs to enact some changes in ones life... or perhaps it is a passing mood.

 

[wet_suit_one]

Whatever is going on in death, you will find out about that soon enough, and experience it for billions of years. We only get a few short years of life. If death is better, well, you're going to be getting a lot of it anyway, so why not try out life a little longer?

Because, one can get tired of life.

 

[milehigh]

I find this thread a bit disturbing. Anyone contemplating such actions - you leave the ultimate hurt - it severely fucks up those you leave behind. Another thing I will say... is what looks dark and inescapable today looks like a cake walk ten years from now.

I do realize those contemplating it can not help it. I will also say our Mental Health system is woefully inadequate. I remember getting a relative getting 'pushed out" from a hospital in the morning after an attempt - and a serious attempt the night before.

I know it is good to point people to professionals but they need to talk too = to friends.

Strangely enough, some people I know who did kill themselves seemed the happiest and the funniest.

I have had a high number of suicides with my relatives, and I literally had to start a new life to get over it. What happened to them is a different lifetime ago and I had to move on.


The saddest part was the children involved.

Suicide in general - very preventable in many cases - but I think things have to change in our society and we need better Mental Health help for these people.

And if someone you know thinks of it and you know, make sure you tell them how much they mean to you and how you will do anything it takes to help them.

It is appalling -the number of suicides occurring - we are all not doing enough. We will set all kinds of safety standards on items that have lower death rates, and do very little to help people with these preventable illneses.

I also see suicides in my job alot, and I am floored by the amount. I am also floored by some of the methods.

Sorry to subject you all to this reply, but I could not be silent.

 

[wet_suit_one]

Well, indirectly it does. It postulates that further exploration of means to change perspective may present an escape from such malaise, perhaps several, other than suicide which appears to be your rooted, default position. To paraphrase, "All said and done, it's all shit, pointless, I'm tired of it, suicide is the only alternative."

More specifically, I am addressing it by suggesting perspective is not necessarily a powerless slave to brain chemistry, a thesis heretical to the pharmaceutical industry. But really what motivation do they have to see us empowered in any meaningful, lasting or self-sufficient way? And if they know so much how come they can't cure shit? Yup, all remains endemic and incurable. Depression, pessimism and misery remain the tragic lot of the biologically challenged - save for salvation via pharmaceutical intervention. Thank god they're there to suck up billions upon gazillions to medicate us into submission to this paradigm. Couldn't possibly be any other alternative worth exploring could there? Alternatives which, heaven forbid, don't necessarily cost a fortune and necessitate regular prescription refill? Nope, no chance. Not possible. Can't be done. Yup, what's the point...

Mindset sound like anyone you know? God knows there's no shortage of industries that bank on us remaining rooted in opinion, closed to change and trapped in prisons of our own making. In other words, without hope.

Finding ways to think beyond the often arbitrary restrictions that we all place on achieving a more fulfilling state of being is one of many possible methods, both abstract and material, that we can utilize to do just this: alter brain chemistry, entertain the notion that a miracle is a change in perception, discover how much power you really do have in manifesting meaning and joy in your life. That's a wondrous notion, a beguiling incentive to continue to explore life and the miracle of our consciousness.

Or you can just sigh with indifference, surrender to victim hood and cling to the empty solace that it matters naught - such a long, arduous journey for such a shallow breath of life. Some guy you may have heard of encapsulated the sentiment a little better: "A tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." And what did he accomplish after writing those capitulating barbs of nihilism, other than Hamlet and dozens more of the most enduring works in English literature? Pointless, right?

I do not know you, thus I can't walk in your shoes. But I do know of severe clinical depression, personally, did in fact suffer from it on and off for the better part of two decades. And I have been fortunate to find ways to combat it and climb out of that seemingly bottomless pit. I know it's not easy and harder for some than others. We do what we can. There will always be misfortunes and tragedy beyond our control. There are victims in life. But we should rue becoming victim to our own closed mind. That is truly tragedy.

Thanks for the thoughtful post. That said, tragedies abound and what's the big deal if there's one more? Such is life.

 

[fuji]

Because, one can get tired of life.

That is a trick of the mind. It is the current way of looking at things. But your mind and the world around you are like a river: never the same in any two moments. The world is going to change, and YOU are going to change.

You may be stuck in a rut. You may have gone for a long time in that same rut. There are ways to get out of a rut, and a whole different way of looking at the world awaiting you when you do.

Talk to a mental health professional. Some people's rut is chemical. Some need to confront an issue. Some need to deal with stress. Some just need a change in scenery.

 

[GrandBlasterK]

 

[artmosphere]

Ahhh...great track. Brings back the memories.