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Your union has also successfully manipulated the provincial arbitration process, leveraging higher salaries without regard to the local govt's ability to pay.
Are Toronto firefighters the highest $compensated in the world?
 

mrexcite

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Are Toronto firefighters the highest $compensated in the world?
Indeed they are. Again, I'm not suggesting that the work isn't honourable and the men/women doing it aren't as well, but, c'mon, enough is enough. That SCFD146 felt the need to call me an "ungrateful puke" for pointing out some very valid points, only speak to the sense of entitlement that have got us here.
 

SoftHands813

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I will never quibble about the money paid to an individual whose job description includes putting their life on the line for the sake of others. If only every first responder's shift were "under-worked", that would be a very good thing, yes? Sadly it's not the case, and what these people have to deal with in their lines of duty far eclipses anything us mere mortals do in our daily routines. So, hats off to scfd146 and your band of brothers and sisters.

As for indexing, it only makes sense. If the sunshine list had started in 1976, a comparable ceiling would have been approximately $55000 (indexed at 3% over 20 years this would reach $100000 in 1996). Now, if that's where they set the ceiling in 1976 and they didn't index it, how many of us today would be on a list that reports earnings over $55000? Doesn't make sense, does it? So, does $100000 1996 dollars make any more sense? No. FYI, at 3%, the new ceiling would be approx. $180000; at 2% approx. $150000.

Apples to apples indeed!
 

hot4rub

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Indeed they are. Again, I'm not suggesting that the work isn't honourable and the men/women doing it aren't as well, but, c'mon, enough is enough. That SCFD146 felt the need to call me an "ungrateful puke" for pointing out some very valid points, only speak to the sense of entitlement that have got us here.
Put an application in, mrexcite. Go ahead, let's see if you get hired. I highly doubt it.
 

Smallcock

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I'm sure you will feel different when your house is on fire and your family is trapped inside! And most of you are quite misinformed....

FFs can't retire at 45 with full pension, you need 30 years or reach an 85 factor to retire without penalty. Firefighters put a large amount from each pay cheque to fund their pension, it's not just given to them

Yes FFs work 24 hr shifts ( not all depts do). And no, there is no mandatory 6 hour sleep period! Don't be fucking ridiculous.studies have shown better recovery time from working thes shifts instead of working 4 - 14 hour night shifts in a row

If you couldn't tell, I'm a firefighter, I'm at work right now, 17 hours into my shift, and I closed my eyes for all of about 15 minutes so far... Fought 2 car fires, a townhouse fire that threatened to light up the rest of the complex, been to a car accident, several medical calls, plus did some training, and I have 7 hours left. Did I do enough to earn my wage?

With the 24 hour shifts, we do get a number of days off, but there are other stretches of the schedule where I'll work 72 hours over the course of 5 days, it's not as easy as you think.

Next time there's a house fire or I have to cut a car apart to free some child while their decapitated parents are in the remains of what was the front seat, I'll give you a call and see how you handle it you ungrateful puke!
Most firefighters became firefighters for the pay and to get laid. True or false?
 

K Douglas

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I think they should raise the threshold to $150,000. Even at $150,000, it would still be a long list but it might eliminate some TTC workers.

Maybe I should do a poll and see how many members would make the list at $150,000. I think a few members claim they are in the mid-6 figures.
If you indexed from when the list was first published in 1996 you come up with $154K so you're spot on.
 

mrexcite

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Put an application in, mrexcite. Go ahead, let's see if you get hired. I highly doubt it.
No interest whatsoever. Just as I'm sure many of the fine men and women who are firefighters wouldn't be interested in my line of work. Which, by the way, requires applying analytical logic and asking tough questions. It's a characteristic that certain occupations - being paid on the public dime - don't like. Me thinks that may have something to do with the old adage "truth hurts."
 

mrexcite

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I will never quibble about the money paid to an individual whose job description includes putting their life on the line for the sake of others. If only every first responder's shift were "under-worked", that would be a very good thing, yes? Sadly it's not the case, and what these people have to deal with in their lines of duty far eclipses anything us mere mortals do in our daily routines. So, hats off to scfd146 and your band of brothers and sisters.

As for indexing, it only makes sense. If the sunshine list had started in 1976, a comparable ceiling would have been approximately $55000 (indexed at 3% over 20 years this would reach $100000 in 1996). Now, if that's where they set the ceiling in 1976 and they didn't index it, how many of us today would be on a list that reports earnings over $55000? Doesn't make sense, does it? So, does $100000 1996 dollars make any more sense? No. FYI, at 3%, the new ceiling would be approx. $180000; at 2% approx. $150000.

Apples to apples indeed!
I'm not taking issue with "First Responders" because that includes paramedics and police as well. Those two occupations are far different than firefighters. Nor do I doubt the honour of firefighting. I take serious issue with their level of compensation, how they got it (manipulating the arbitration system) and the work schedule that has given rise to firefighters taking second jobs.

It's a pretty simple logic: if you're "overworked", how can you possibly have time for a second job, or the schedule to perform it? It makes no sense. To me, that's the working definition of being "underworked", hence me using that term.
 

Smallcock

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It's a pretty simple logic: if you're "overworked", how can you possibly have time for a second job, or the schedule to perform it? To me, that's the working definition of being "underworked", hence me using that term.
You make sense. No wiggle room for the naysayers around this point.
 

dirkd101

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I'm not taking issue with "First Responders" because that includes paramedics and police as well. Those two occupations are far different than firefighters. Nor do I doubt the honour of firefighting. I take serious issue with their level of compensation, how they got it (manipulating the arbitration system) and the work schedule that has given rise to firefighters taking second jobs.

It's a pretty simple logic: if you're "overworked", how can you possibly have time for a second job, or the schedule to perform it? It makes no sense. To me, that's the working definition of being "underworked", hence me using that term.

I can't argue this and have broached this subject with friends, the answer; Firefighters don't get paid for what they do in the station, they get paid for what they do on the street. They are merely an insurance policy for when something goes wrong. As far as working two jobs, I'm told many do so with a lack of sleep, as they get used to going without sleep.
 
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Toronto Escorts