Yup. And the Liberals are currently paying the price.
Aside from equating this as to how the Cons/Ford should also pay a price, Ford's actions are a stand alone issue.
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Aside from equating this as to how the Cons/Ford should also pay a price, Ford's actions are a stand alone issue.
Skoob said:
Every leader can make a mistake when process is involved and then take corrective action.
So your attempt at saying that it was just an honest procedural mistake holds no merit at all.
Every leader can make a mistake when process is involved and then take corrective action.
p.s. Ontario's Auditor General investigated and confirmed that Ford DID NOT follow the process.
So your attempt at saying that it was just an honest procedural mistake holds no merit at all.
Are you saying politicians shouldn't break promises or they need to resign? Wow that is revolutionary!
At the end of the day, developers still own land and have lots of money and there are no solutions to the housing crisis. Do you prefer that?
Would you prefer a politician not admitting to a mistake?
If he broke any laws I would tend to agree with you...but as it stands, he hasn't. You may not like how he handled things or who his friends are, but you can pretty much say that about any politician right?
The Ontario AG called it corrupt.
Ford is done, the cons will make him resign or they'll lose every seat in the next election.
Marit Stiles has been killing it.
She'll be our next premiere.
She'll be our next premiere.
No. They should let 4 other people resign instead of him.
Not one person with an ounce of intelligence would think that there are zero other solutions.
He got caught fucking red handed. He had zero options other than to admitting it. I'd prefer if our premier didn't act so blatantly corrupt and in the interest of his developer friends.
1,000,000 wrongs don't make a right.
One can be morally bankrupt without breaking a law. One can break promises and be a liar and not break a law. One can cause other people to resign because of one's mistake without breaking a law. One can hurt his party severely and not break a law.
I've already said that I don't think he handled it well. I've asked you twice already if you are proud of the way he dealt with the Greenbelt from the start. Not the cover up, not the admission but from the time he lied/broke his promise and parceled out the land to his friends who would benefit the most. According to you he should just do it again. If not, why not.
So for the 3rd time do you think he did a good job of opening the land to his friends while ignoring due process and advice to the contrary. Did he do a good job?
A yes or no would suffice, instead of asking me more questions that are simply diversions.
I downloaded the AG report and searched for terms like corrupt, corruption, illegal, fraud, fraudulent etc and interestingly zero matches were found.
Go figure.
Considering Toronto wouldn't vote for him if he cured cancer, this means nothing in terms of seats. The rest of the province doesn't care about Toronto's apparent love for that land and most probably think the smoking gun is Ford wearing an actual green belt and that's enough to confirm their bias.
I think in the spirit of progress, he did the right thing. ie the ends justify the means. He broke a promise that was made years ago yes, but things have drastically changed in housing since. Action in this respect is better than no action. More people would benefit from developing this land than would be negatively impacted by it. Perhaps the developers that were involved could actually get development done in 2 years as part of what was offered rather than others who would take too long. That's my honest answer.
Now answer my questions...
What's the solution to the housing crisis if people need homes and not everyone can or wants to live in the city or drive for hours?
How does taking 0.37% of greenbelt land to build housing (while marking alternate land as greenbelt) negatively impact you?
Would you have been good with the process being followed and other land owners developing their land instead?
The AG's report doesn't mention words like corrupt or corruption, so do you agree it was more about not following process vs corruption if the AG herself didn't report there was corruption or anything illegal? (morality is fairly subjective in the court of public opinion)
Ya the Liberals did a great job before Ford. They were so bad they lost party status
Yes, did you enjoy it?
Though I think we might be at the head of lettuce phase of DoFo's career.
Think he'd last longer?
And this is 8 times the scandal even without talking Ontario Place, the Science Centre, health care, education.....
Your right, the US has 10 times as many major population centres. I wonder if it's a coincidence that they have 10 times the population.
The retrofitting of buildings is damn expensive. It sucks that greening buildings essentially will only come from new developments (and most don't think that it's a big selling feature).
Lots of things to condemn about countries around the world but Iran's rules that require MPs to have a masters degree isn't too bad a thought.
He's not going anywhere...best you come to terms with that and move on to another crusade.
Time will tell.
Presently there is no option. The left stuck their heads in the sand so much, and for so long, it wiped the Liberal party out. Even today, they have no one capable, let alone sitting members….Shit happens. Even today, they refuse to take responsibility for their choices and the shit hole Ontario is in.
If he goes off the rails enough, the Con party could like the Liberals decided they need a fresh face and name. Punt McGuinty and bring in
A) a female
B) a Lesbian
C) a former education Trustee
See also Fed con candidate Dr Leslyn Lewis.
A) a Dr
B) a Female
C) a minority
D) from the GTA
And the Federal Liberals might decide is what’s needed if JTs stock keeps plummeting so they don’t get wiped out.
Lastly Fords campaign slogan?
“Ontario is open for business again”.
I’ll leave that last hanging.
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Um, it is basically one supremely compromised, corrupt, blinkered and blinded by the wonders of private enterprise sock puppet hellbent on following his marching orders from his developer puppet masters trying to tell rural Ontarians how to live and thieve their lands all in the name furthering the interests of the private sector to the extreme detriment of rural interests in particular and the broader public interest of Ontarians.lol, oh please.
Have you looked around the GTA? Most of Ajax was all farmland just a few years ago. Today Suburbia from the 401 all the way we’ll past 7..to the Airport….
North Oshawa, Winfield farms and Secretariat…..Brooklin was a farm town of 1,500 not all that long ago just minutes north Whitby and Taunton. Today all cookie cutter boxes in fishbowls….Today Brooklin is 20,000 and projected to be 4x its size and 80,000 in 8 years.
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People that live in cities telling rural Canada how to live
Google the development plans for Port Perry. A few short years ago, you’d miss it if you blinked.
It never was and is not about actually building housing, let alone building housing on once formerly protected lands because Doug's whole flim-flam scam never made any viable developmental sense.
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