The path for a referendum on Alberta separation has been laid out

[JohnLarue]

If the PEOPLE of the two provinces wanted separation they would have gone their way long ago. After the defeat of the second "neverendum", separatist sentiment in Que has been dormant for the last three decades. It is ALWAYS the political leadership that brings out the separatist threat, in the hopes of improving their stance in strategic bargaining.
Few will disagree with your statement:
"i am pretty sure 99%+ of Canadians do not want to see that (i.e. separation) happen". Surely, you include Albertans and Quebecers therein.

you are not paying attention
they do not want see the entire country unravel or Trump picking off provinces one at a time
however there is a growing number of Albertans who know Canadian confederation is not working for them and are willing to go it alone

Under the current menace of the 51st state and tariffs, even some of the most ardent Quebec separatists are back-pedalling independence and softening their rigid positions on certain climate issues.

of course Quebec is back-peddling
they know the would never get the same bribe $ from the states
the Americans would likely pass on Quebec and the associated headaches
the real value for the USA is in the western provinces

Smith was grandiosely confident that her cat was in the bag with a PP victory; that her entire wish list was achievable. That denied, she has become increasingly desperate and petulant and her hypocrisy exposed when she claims she is fighting for Canadian unity.

her expectation was a conservative govt would scrap Bill C-69 , eliminate all carbon taxes and get some pipelines built
i.e. some real change that Alberta requires

with the liberal victory, these changes are not going to happen and she is just ensuring the people of Alberta can choose a different direction if they are determined to do so

Carney's primary challenge is to figure out how to support the growth of Alberta's primary industries without destroying the environment.

that is a ridiculous position to take
1. land locking Alberta oil and gas just mean more Saudi/ Iranian or Russian oil / gas is used
2. CO2 does not control our climate- This bullshit propaganda about CO2 has and will cause soo much harm

There will, surely, be much give and take in future negotiations.

not really
Carney will have to decide and choose
1. hold this country together, which is his primary responsibility as Prime Minister
or
2. implement his net zero agenda

there is no real middle ground

But if Smith doesn't come off her high horse, she'll soon discover how easily she could be knocked down around the Premiers' table.

that is the attitude which is at root of the western alienation

Canada can not continue to abuse the west and deliberately work to kill the Canadian oil and gas industry
the liberals drove billions of investment $ away from Alberta/ Sask into the USA

As Levesque did.

??
meanwhile Quebec has and continues to hold extort billions from Canada using the threat of separation

despite the Quebec population being unbelievably unproductive
Quebec would become a very poor country
Alberta would become a very rich country

call Quebec's bluff long before thinking about putting Alberta in their place



Quebec has a federal party sitting in parliament solely devoted to this cause/ extortion for Christ sake
Canadians are paying the BLOC mps to work towards the break up of our country !!!!!
meanwhile an Alberta Premier gets called a traitor for looking out for the interest of her province and fighting to preserve confederation

Let's hope she abandons her sham referendum and gets serious about getting the best deal for Albertans.

??
you do not seem to clue in that this has been an unresolved problem for Albertans since the 1970s -80s (Trudeau Senior)
the liberal party has treated Alberta like a door mat
many Albertans believe the best deal for Albertans is to sever ties with Ottawa (the liberal party) and Canada

if your spouse tells you she is considering a divorce , you can
1, call her a selfish cunt and give her another backhand slap
or
2. listen to her and try to figure out what you are doing wrong

 

[JohnLarue]

All 10 province plus the House of Commons & Senate would have to agree on that. As IF this would create the greatest constitutional crisis we've ever seen.

I mean, I'd love to Alberta given "colony" status by Canada and then taxed but not represented in the Commons, but fat chance of that ever happening either.

AB is a province of whiners.

your entire argument is nullified by how Canada has bent over backwards to bribe Quebec for decades
"As IF Quebec separation would create the greatest constitutional crisis we've ever seen."

if Alberta/ Sask decide to leave, they will leave
with JeanGary Diablo standing there like a dummy, saying ''you whinners cant leave'', "we need your wealth and we have all this debt"

then it would become a race to see which provinces gets stuck with the Trudeau/ Carney debt
meanwhile Trump would be licking his chops " Have I got a deal for you" , one province at a time

 

[wigglee]

what they can survive is the Trudeau family and the Liberal Party of Canada

you finally got one right.

 

[Frankfooter]

you finally got one right.

He was wrong about the election, wrong about Trudeau, wrong about Alberta and wrong about climate change.
But he still thinks he's doing well here.

Meanwhile the Greenbelt scandal hasn't died here and we are just starting to dig into Ontario Place, Science Centre, 417, Shoppers, LCBO and health care privatization.
That's where we should be looking.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1920085727166988341

 

[JohnLarue]

you finally got one right.

that has been corrected
what they can not survive is the Trudeau family and the Liberal Party of Canada

thanks for highlighting this despicable fact

 

[JohnLarue]

For the millionth time, Alberta cannot separate unilaterally. Alberta is Crown land; ie, property of Canada.

What are they going to do, declare war on the rest of Canada if we don't let them go?

the question you should ask is what can the rest of Canada do when Alberta stops sending tax remittances to Ottawa ?
declare war on Alberta ?
US marines would be in Fort McMurry before Canada would be able to clean its muskets

for the millionth time you are dead wrong, Alberta can separate unilaterally if they chose to do so

you will be standing there like a dummy yelling " Alberta cannot separate unilaterally '' while nobody pays you any attention

Wake up
Quebec has been successfully extorting the the rest of Canada for decades because they can separate unilaterally
if Quebec can separate, Alberta can

 

[Dutch Oven]

Quebec won't be far behind?? No way. Quebec despises this greedy idiot Trump and a big part of the US people.

Why would the US want Quebec? We don't want them.

 

[jalimon]

the question you should ask is what can the rest of Canada do when Alberta stops sending tax remittances to Ottawa ?
declare war on Alberta ?
US marines would be in Fort McMurry before Canada would be able to clean its muskets

for the million time you are dead wrong, Alberta can separate unilaterally if they chose to do so

you will be standing there like a dummy yelling " Alberta cannot separate unilaterally '' while nobody pays you any attention

Wake up
Quebec has been successfully extorting the the rest of Canada for decades because they can separate unilaterally
if Quebec can separate, Alberta can

Everyone mixed it up thinking Quebec`s referendum was to unitarely separate from Canada. It was not.

It was to ask the Quebec population if they agreed to proclaim sovereignty from Canada on the condition of a political and economic agreement offering. In other word, Quebec was asking a permission to negotiate sovereignty.

Toronto has been the greatest winner of the election of the PQ in Quebec in 1976 and the 1980 referendum. Prior to that Montreal was to become the biggest city in Canada. Now Toronto is one of the biggest in America

 

[JohnLarue]

Why would the US want Quebec? We don't want them.

yeah, i do not think the US would want the headache of Quebec expecting to be treated as "a distinct society'
the US would also be concerned about the amount of debt Ontario has
they likely can just steal the auto sector via corporate tax rates and not applying industrial carbon taxes , no need to assume all tht liberal debt

 

[nottyboi]

This is all political theatre by Danielle the Diva of Division. She is just getting everyone riled up to distract from the scandals that are piling up. And the typically dumb assed Albertans who have been fucked over by the Cons for decades are lapping it up.

 

[niniveh]

you are not paying attention
they do not want see the entire country unravel or Trump picking off provinces one at a time
however there is a growing number of Albertans who know Canadian confederation is not working for them and are willing to go it alone


of course Quebec is back-peddling
they know the would never get the same bribe $ from the states
the Americans would likely pass on Quebec and the associated headaches
the real value for the USA is in the western provinces



her expectation was a conservative govt would scrap Bill C-69 , eliminate all carbon taxes and get some pipelines built
i.e. some real change that Alberta requires

with the liberal victory, these changes are not going to happen and she is just ensuring the people of Alberta can choose a different direction if they are determined to do so


that is a ridiculous position to take
1. land locking Alberta oil and gas just mean more Saudi/ Iranian or Russian oil / gas is used
2. CO2 does not control our climate- This bullshit propaganda about CO2 has and will cause soo much harm



not really
Carney will have to decide and choose
1. hold this country together, which is his primary responsibility as Prime Minister
or
2. implement his net zero agenda

there is no real middle ground




that is the attitude which is at root of the western alienation

Canada can not continue to abuse the west and deliberately work to kill the Canadian oil and gas industry
the liberals drove billions of investment $ away from Alberta/ Sask into the USA


??
meanwhile Quebec has and continues to hold extort billions from Canada using the threat of separation

despite the Quebec population being unbelievably unproductive
Quebec would become a very poor country
Alberta would become a very rich country

call Quebec's bluff long before thinking about putting Alberta in their place

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Quebec has a federal party sitting in parliament solely devoted to this cause/ extortion for Christ sake
Canadians are paying the BLOC mps to work towards the break up of our country !!!!!
meanwhile an Alberta Premier gets called a traitor for looking out for the interest of her province and fighting to preserve confederation



??
you do not seem to clue in that this has been an unresolved problem for Albertans since the 1970s -80s (Trudeau Senior)
the liberal party has treated Alberta like a door mat
many Albertans believe the best deal for Albertans is to sever ties with Ottawa (the liberal party) and Canada

if your spouse tells you she is considering a divorce , you can
1, call her a selfish cunt and give her another backhand slap
or
2. listen to her and try to figure out what you are doing wrong

Time for certain folk to open their eyes and ears and PAY ATTENTION to where P.M. Carney is coming from and where he plans to take Canada,

 

[JohnLarue]

Time for certain folk to open their eyes and ears and PAY ATTENTION to where P.M. Carney is coming from and where he plans to take Canada,

actions speak louder than words
we will not get pipelines built without repealing bill c-69 and he was quite clear in the campaign that bill c-69 is not going away
his agenda also includes emission/ production caps . Alberta will go balletic on this issue
his agenda also includes industrial carbon taxes, which will drive manufacturing out of this country and he was quite clear about industrial carbon taxes in the campaign
his agenda also include carbon tariffs on imports from countries that do not have a carbon tax and he was quite clear on that issue in the campaign

i.e. the USA and China
this is completely incompatible with the need to get the us tariffs lifted
Trump will tariff Canada into oblivion if Carney uses carbon tariffs

he also has the endorsement of the anti-oil environut Gerald Butts, and the lunatic Steven Guilbeault

so who was he lying to: Gerald Butts and the lunatic Steven Guilbeault ?
or
the electorate ?

as for being a green energy superpower,
that is ridiculous
#1. that is just a recipe for a government money pit
#2. Canada does not have a competitive advantage in green energy

green energy requires massive gov subsidies
decades of green energy nonsense and hundreds of billions spent on green energy and fossil fuels still deliver 80% of the worlds energy, down from 82% in the 1980s

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Fossil fuels currently supply a significant portion of the world's energy, accounting for over 80%. This includes coal, oil, and natural gas.

Carney is going to spend big on a failed green energy strategy , just like Trudeau
he will also publicly state he is supportive of the oil industry, while continuing to strangle it via regulation, just like Trudeau

he said in English he would use PM powers to get infrastructure built while in Alberta and then said in French he would not force a pipeline while in Quebec

infrastructure does not necessarily mean pipelines , outside of Alberta , Sask

i suggest you Pay Attention to his specific answers to specific questions

lets be clear
Mark Carney will need to choose
1. hold this country together, which is his primary responsibility as Prime Minister
or
2. implement his net zero agenda

the two are not compatible with each other

 

[The Oracle]

he also has the endorsement of the anti-oil environuts Gerald Butts and the lunatic Steven Guilbeault

so it boils down to who was he lying to: Gerald Butts and the lunatic Steven Guilbeault
or
the electorate

He says he's a pragmatist...

 

[wigglee]

that has been corrected
what they can not survive is the Trudeau family and the Liberal Party of Canada

thanks for highlighting this despicable fact

well , you're wrong again, but at least you're consistent

 

[Insidious Von]

Johnny would make a great stand up comic. Daniele Smith must be thirsting for some hot wheelchair sex.

It's cynical, politicians can make fat skim from privatizing health care. From what I've read you don't want to get sick in Saskatchewan.

 

[JohnLarue]

well , you're wrong again, but at least you're consistent

too funny
you are the poster boy for what has gone wrong with Canada

 

[JohnLarue]

Johnny would make a great stand up comic. Daniele Smith must be thirsting for some hot wheelchair sex.

It's cynical, politicians can make fat skim from privatizing health care. From what I've read you don't want to get sick in Saskatchewan.

Are you so stunned that you do not understand the biggest threat to universal Health Care is the lefts irresponsible spending and debt accumulation

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In 2023, Canadian federal and provincial governments spent a combined $81.8 billion on interest payments. This includes $46.5 billion in interest payments from the federal government and the remaining amount from the provinces and local governments.

that is $80 billion not spent on health care

 

[Frankfooter]

too funny
you are the poster boy for what has gone wrong with Canada

Here's the poster on what has gone wrong with the US and Canada.

 

[Frankfooter]

Are you so stunned that you do not understand the biggest threat to universal Health Care is the lefts irresponsible spending and debt accumulation

The biggest threat to the debt and universal health care are conservatives.
Pee Pee wants to do what trump is trying to do, cut taxes for the rich and medicaid at the same time.

An ambitious House bill to cut taxes by hundreds of billions of dollars and pay for part of it by slashing Medicaid spending faces a rocky path in the Senate, where Republican lawmakers warn the changes to the safety net program could hurt rural hospitals and reduce benefits for their constituents.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5298819-senate-gop-house-trump-package-medicaid/

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Pay attention Lefties, if Alberta separates then Trump will support that by annexing Alberta and turning it into the 51st Sate.
Once that starts there will be a domino effect, Saskatchewan, BC and Manitoba will probably follow suit, and Quebec wont be far behind.

And what are the Eastern Canadian Libs gonna do about it?? Absolutely nothing.
Trump will back separation by using his military if need be, and Carney will fold faster than a Titanic deck chair

A few months ago only 20% of Albertans wanted to separate. Latest figure I heard on the news is now 36% (and growing each month).
Next 4 years under Carney are gonna be very interesting

Alberta's separation from Canada: Danielle Smith says she wants to take risk because... - Times of India

Rest of World News: Alberta premier Danielle Smith does not support the idea of a separate Alberta from Canada but she wants to risk a separation referendum so that no ri.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Quite the active imagination you have there cletus