THE PLOT THICKENS!!!! More Arrests!

Dissey23

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I don't know if this is true or not but i was told by an sp once that these guys know how to hit girls in places where the brusies are either concealed or they know how to hit without causing bruises.
 

Aardvark154

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Let's hope that it turns out not to be sexual slavery. I don't doubt that it has been somewhat sensationalized. However, I suspect there's going to be some grain of truth to the whole thing.

What I personally guess is most likely is that these women actually knew what they were getting into before coming to Canada but changed their minds about it when they got here, or after trying it for awhile. Instead of letting them go the organizers threatened them and/or their families with violence or maybe even used violence to force them to keep working and "pay off their debt".

That's still repulsive because it's still forcing someone into non-consensual sex, it still amounts to rape, and so on--but it doesn't make for as good a headline.

In reality though we'll all have to wait and see what happens. Who knows.

I guess I really have three points here in the even this case turns out to be overblown by even more than that:

1. It never hurts to tell someone what their choices are, if they are doing it voluntarily, happily, etc., then they'll keep on doing it--no real harm done.

2. It's such a grevious, disgusting crime if it does happen that it is worth taking a little extra care to make sure it never does happen here in Toronto, and a culture of concerned, helpful customers would make sure of that.

3. If we take up the role of upstanding concerned citizens that will help change the perception society has that this business is populated only by low lifes--I firmly believe that most customers and most SP's are perfectly reasonable, normal people, and the more we are seen to act that way the better.
Sound well thought out points.
 

S.C. Joe

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Dissey23 said:
I don't know if this is true or not but i was told by an sp once that these guys know how to hit girls in places where the brusies are either concealed or they know how to hit without causing bruises.

Funny, I recall hearing something like that too. Lets pray its not wide spread like a few cops claim. It is good thats theres been few arrests in the past years. You would think there be more guys getting busted if many girls were being forced to date guys.
 

HaywoodJabloemy

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The plot thins... or more accurately, thinned months ago. Charges dropped because their story did not hold up to scrutiny.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2008/10/01/6939496-sun.html
...Inside Toronto, the first ever case under the 2005 Criminal Code human trafficking legislation has fallen apart.

The investigation was launched in January after a young Eastern European woman walked into a downtown Toronto police station saying she had arrived in Canada on the promise of a modelling career only to be forced into the sex trade.

Within a week, six people were charged with human trafficking. Police heralded the arrests as a crack in an international human trafficking ring.

Five months later, all charges were withdrawn at the request of the Crown Attorney's office.

"It appeared ... that the information the police had initially been provided was not, perhaps, as straightforward as originally believed," Crown attorney Andrew Locke told a North York courtroom June 10.

"Witnesses became problematic," says Toronto Police Det.-Sgt. Mike Ervick.

"The original version was not what it ended up to be."...
 

syn

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HaywoodJabloemy said:
The plot thins... or more accurately, thinned months ago. Charges dropped because their story did not hold up to scrutiny.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2008/10/01/6939496-sun.html
The next line said: "They were all being exploited," Ervick says of the three victims ultimately identified. "But they're not going to testify because they're afraid."
So maybe the differing versions of events flowed from fear, intimidation????

Syn
 

Aardvark154

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"It appeared ... that the information the police had initially been provided was not, perhaps, as straightforward as originally believed," Crown attorney Andrew Locke told a North York courtroom June 10.
That certainly is damning!
"Witnesses became problematic," says Toronto Police Det.-Sgt. Mike Ervick.

"The original version was not what it ended up to be."

"They were all being exploited," Ervick says of the three victims ultimately identified. "But they're not going to testify because they're afraid."
This entire article certainly has an "agenda" more Op-Ed than news story.

Further, although I have the utmost respect for the Police, various specialty squads in particular end up becoming "invested" in their cases and complainants. Along the lines of Dan Rather, they know what the truth must be. The Sergeant's comments certainly reflect both of the above. The factual comment is that they kept changing their story and investigation obviously couldn't support it. With the CYA of the exploitation statement.

I'm not saying that there wasn't some exploitation involved, but as I said months ago this was very amateurish compared to the way Russian Organized Crime usually works, and the fact that their story was obviously found not to be credible speaks volumes.

Further were those charged Canadian Nationals or Landed Immigrants, if the former, it also says something that apparently no Immigration action has been taken.
At least one of those women was denied a TRP, says Loly Rico, president of the Ontario Council of Agencies Serving Immigrants.
This again reflects far more the Crown's position than that of the Toronto Police.
 
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