The Trudeau Effect

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Wait. Does anyone else see what's missing in this thread? Where are bver and friends telling us this is Harper's fault but that the excellent US results are due to Obama?
 

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Trudeau is always smug.


Throne speech shows Trudeau learned nothing in election

It was, in some ways, a throne speech from out of this world, at least when it comes to how the Governor General views things.

Astronaut turned vice-regal Julie Payette added a line to the Trudeau government’s throne speech that government sources say was all hers.

“We know that we are inextricably bound to the same space-time continuum and on board the same planetary spaceship,” Payette said.

Normally throne speeches are the government’s priorities laid out in broad strokes, a chance to peek into the brain of the government of the day. This being a minority government you would expect the Liberals to lay out ways they would find common ground with the opposition.

The throne speech even mentioned that the election results show that Canadians “want their Parliamentarians to work together on the issues that matter most to them.”

Yet, did the government temper any of the ideas they ran on in the election? No, despite the fact that this government has the weakest mandate and lowest share of the vote of any government in Canadian history.

Did they adopt any ideas from any of the opposition parties to show that they are willing to work together? No, simply a mention of the NDP’s promise to fight money laundering and the Conservative idea of making parental benefits tax free without committing to acting on either idea.

The Liberals will continue their push on a climate change agenda that will see the carbon tax go up. There was no explicit promise to raise the tax but they doubled down on lowering emissions faster than previously promised by going to net zero emissions by 2050.

“This goal is ambitious, but necessary — for both environmental protection and economic growth,” the speech said.
On health care, the speech ignored the call earlier this week by a united group of premiers looking for increased funding and greater cooperation. Instead, they are offering more national standards, read that as more federal meddling in provincial health systems, without any new funding.

There was also the promise of a national pharmacare program and a nod to exploring a national dental care plan without a single detail or even the promise of new money. Maybe the PM missed that the premiers said on Monday that they don’t want to join a national pharmacare program when the federal government still isn’t paying their full share for the existing health system.

The speech also invoked the 30th anniversary of the Ecole Polytechnique massacre to announce that they would ban “military-style assault rifles.” The Liberals have never defined what a “military-style assault rifle” is.
Nor has Trudeau ever explained why he wants to ban these rifles and spend $600 million or more to buy them back when the problem of gun violence in Canada comes from smuggled handguns. On handguns, the speech said cities will be allowed to put their own bans in place.

It was funny that on the heels of Trudeau making international headlines and angering the American administration for mocking Donald Trump at a NATO summit, the final section of the speech was, “Positioning Canada for success in an uncertain world.”

The only thing we know for certain is that Trudeau continues to embarrass Canada on the world stage.

I’ve given Trudeau credit for striking a new tone since the election, for seeming a bit humbled, for listening while speaking to premiers and others. It seemed Trudeau was willing to work with others and adapt, to learn from the election results.

This speech says otherwise and if this is Trudeau’s path forward, then the change I’ve noted may have been nothing but an act.


https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...ech-shows-trudeau-learned-nothing-in-election
 

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Wait. Does anyone else see what's missing in this thread? Where are bver and friends telling us this is Harper's fault but that the excellent US results are due to Obama?
I think Beaver is on vacation, but you can invite danmand to this thread.
 

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I think Beaver is on vacation, but you can invite danmand to this thread.
We are not on good terms. I hate all Americans and he hates all Europeans. LOL

PS: I do not support the Liberal Party of Canada.
 

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I usually ignore that other poster. I think he is referring to the TSX. However, the Dow and S&P are all time much higher.
And who gets credit for that? If it is trump, then Trudeau gets credit for the increase in the Canadian market this year.
 

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I personally know of 4 manufacturing sector companies in Ontario that have or are moving all or the majority of operations to the US. It is a direct result of Ontario electrical and Fed/Prov tax rates/policies. Including carbon taxes.

600 Canadian jobs that I personally know of. Gone.

Gone to the USA and China where there is no carbon tax.

I do believe human activity influences the climate but I do not think Canada can afford to pay the financial costs to be pious “leaders” when mega filthy polluters like China, India etc freely spew in a day what Canada might emit all year.

I understand that with our forests, Canada is indeed carbon neutral if not a negative contributor.

We should inspire and reward less pollution, but to impose a tax on an existing baseline of energy consumption willultimately hurt our economy and way of living. IMHO anyways
 

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I personally know of 4 manufacturing sector companies in Ontario that have or are moving all or the majority of operations to the US. It is a direct result of Ontario electrical and Fed/Prov tax rates/policies. Including carbon taxes.

600 Canadian jobs that I personally know of. Gone.

Gone to the USA and China where there is no carbon tax.

I do believe human activity influences the climate but I do not think Canada can afford to pay the financial costs to be pious “leaders” when mega filthy polluters like China, India etc freely spew in a day what Canada might emit all year.

I understand that with our forests, Canada is indeed carbon neutral if not a negative contributor.

We should inspire and reward less pollution, but to impose a tax on an existing baseline of energy consumption willultimately hurt our economy and way of living. IMHO anyways
If Trump didn't pull out of the Paris Accord and the US was trying to pull its weight for climate change this wouldn't be an issue then.
 

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If Trump didn't pull out of the Paris Accord and the US was trying to pull its weight for climate change this wouldn't be an issue then.
If ifs and buts were candies and nuts...

Wake up and realize the reality is Canada is not accomplishing anything on a global scale for improving the envrionment. The only thing being accomplished in Canada is a cash grab by the government who has successfully convinced their liberal flock that they are taxing us to death but it's for a good cause.

1.6% of the global co2 emmissions problem.
9.5% of the population living below the poverty line.

Do you think it's time to prioritize which crisis we focus on?
 

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If ifs and buts were candies and nuts...

Wake up and realize the reality is Canada is not accomplishing anything on a global scale for improving the envrionment. The only thing being accomplished in Canada is a cash grab by the government who has successfully convinced their liberal flock that they are taxing us to death but it's for a good cause.

1.6% of the global co2 emmissions problem.
9.5% of the population living below the poverty line.

Do you think it's time to prioritize which crisis we focus on?

Holy shit, I agree with someone named Boober68!
 

SchlongConery

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If Trump didn't pull out of the Paris Accord and the US was trying to pull its weight for climate change this wouldn't be an issue then.

Unless the shithole polluters in the East slow down, we are all just wasting our money on carbon taxes and the trading of credits scheme.
 
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If Trump didn't pull out of the Paris Accord and the US was trying to pull its weight for climate change this wouldn't be an issue then.
Are you saying if the US stayed in the Paris Accord then Canada would not have a carbon tax and drive away businesses? How dumb are you?
 

Frankfooter

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If ifs and buts were candies and nuts...

Wake up and realize the reality is Canada is not accomplishing anything on a global scale for improving the envrionment. The only thing being accomplished in Canada is a cash grab by the government who has successfully convinced their liberal flock that they are taxing us to death but it's for a good cause.

1.6% of the global co2 emmissions problem.
9.5% of the population living below the poverty line.

Do you think it's time to prioritize which crisis we focus on?
Boober, there are about 250 countries in the world. Canada is #9 highest emitter of CO2.
Your arguments are mathematically stupid.
 

Boober69

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Boober, there are about 250 countries in the world. Canada is #9 highest emitter of CO2.
Your arguments are mathematically stupid.
Who cares if Canada is 9th? What does rank have to do with it.
It’s about being 1.6% of the problem. Doesn’t matter how many countries on the list.
If the top 4-5 account for most of it and they do nothing, reducing 1.6% means nothing globally.

We have other priorities to focus on.
 

Frankfooter

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Who cares if Canada is 9th? What does rank have to do with it.
It’s about being 1.6% of the problem. Doesn’t matter how many countries on the list.
If the top 4-5 account for most of it and they do nothing, reducing 1.6% means nothing globally.

We have other priorities to focus on.
So now you think 245 countries don't have to do anything because Trump, China and India aren't acting?
Your plan gets stupider every day.
 

WyattEarp

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So now you think 245 countries don't have to do anything because Trump, China and India aren't acting?
Your plan gets stupider every day.
Weren't you the guy who slipped on a liberal talking point when you repeated the mantra that the U.S. was only lowering carbon emissions by moving manufacturing to China? If China and India don't participate immediately in a global initiative to lower their carbon emissions, the carbon arbitrage will persist for manufacturing.

I'm only pointing this out because the Paris Accord was more a feel-good initiative than one grounded on real impact.
 
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