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The USA Has Rapidly Become The World’s Biggest Exporter Of Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG)

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Norway and the U.S. are reaping the rewards of the Ukraine
war while Putin is selling unwanted gas to India and China at
discount price. Canada will follow suit after the war is over.
Great time ahead.
 

John_Jacob

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Yup, HUGE missed opportunity for additional tax revenue and jobs.

Just how much incremental health care and/or other social spending could have been funded if Trudum hadn't stated "there isn't a business case".

Just dumb.
 
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John_Jacob

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More people will care about climate change, have you seen what's going on in California right now?

Far more people die of the cold than the heat. If you truly care about people (which many Climate Activists don't), heat isn't the issue.

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"Although deaths attributable to cold are substantially more common in most places than are those attributable to heat, they attract far less public attention"....likely due to the fact that it's inconvenient to Global Warming activists

In addition, deaths due to Climate disasters have SUBSTANTIALLY fallen over the decades. WHILE Climate Change is a legitimate concern, this message that you posted is just fud.

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bazokajoe

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Yup, HUGE missed opportunity for additional tax revenue and jobs.

Just how much incremental health care and/or other social spending could have been funded if Trudum hadn't stated "there isn't a business case".

Just dumb.
Exactly. Once again Trudeau puts his personal view ahead of the Canadian economy. I would like to know who told Trudeau that a NG pipeline to the east coast wasn't a good business case.
 
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Frankfooter

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Far more people die of the cold than the heat. If you truly care about people (which many Climate Activists don't), heat isn't the issue.

What tiny numbers.
These are big numbers.

Fossil Fuel Air Pollution Kills One in Five People
The global toll of premature deaths attributed to the burning of coal, gasoline, and diesel is breathtakingly high, with new research doubling previous estimates.
 
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John_Jacob

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What what you're arguing is that, if you care about people, Air Pollution is a much, much, MUCH serious problem that Climate Change? Perhaps we should be focussed on shifting to Nuclear Power as soon as possible instead of killing our economy that actually pays for these infrastructure changes?

Perhaps we shouldn't be abandoning Nuclear Power since every country that has, has replaced it with dirty power?
 

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Exactly. Once again Trudeau puts his personal view ahead of the Canadian economy. I would like to know who told Trudeau that a NG pipeline to the east coast wasn't a good business case.
I support such a pipeline and think it could be be built to respect the objections raised. I also believe that man-made climate change is real and a threat to society that we will have to deal with one day, no matter what. (While I am at it, I strongly oppose the vulgar tar sands petroleum industry in Canada. it is wrong on so many levels. I have been there for business a lot and know enough to know how fundamentally horrific it is)

I don't think anyone told Trudeau that a gas pipeline does not make a good prima facie business case.

But the absolutist politics and policies of Quebec have always, and will always, stand in the way, Never mind local vagaries of Indigenous tribal politics and local municipal governments.

As will the power of the global anti-carbon movement.

Trudeau does not have the political power, anticipated longevity nor the political will to accomplish this. Even if he wanted to.

So time to accept this reality and move on to.
 

Frankfooter

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What what you're arguing is that, if you care about people, Air Pollution is a much, much, MUCH serious problem that Climate Change? Perhaps we should be focussed on shifting to Nuclear Power as soon as possible instead of killing our economy that actually pays for these infrastructure changes?

Perhaps we shouldn't be abandoning Nuclear Power since every country that has, has replaced it with dirty power?
No, I'm arguing that the damage from fossil fuel includes climate change and air pollution.
Time to get off of them.
 

bazokajoe

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I support such a pipeline and think it could be be built to respect the objections raised. I also believe that man-made climate change is real and a threat to society that we will have to deal with one day, no matter what. (While I am at it, I strongly oppose the vulgar tar sands petroleum industry in Canada. it is wrong on so many levels. I have been there for business a lot and know enough to know how fundamentally horrific it is)

I don't think anyone told Trudeau that a gas pipeline does not make a good prima facie business case.

But the absolutist politics and policies of Quebec have always, and will always, stand in the way, Never mind local vagaries of Indigenous tribal politics and local municipal governments.

As will the power of the global anti-carbon movement.

Trudeau does not have the political power, anticipated longevity nor the political will to accomplish this. Even if he wanted to.

So time to accept this reality and move on to.
I think we will agree to disagree.
 

John_Jacob

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No, I'm arguing that the damage from fossil fuel includes climate change and air pollution.
Time to get off of them.
Ah yes, the old "time to get off of them" magical thinking where we don't have any cost-effect & actually useful direct replacement that performs similar useful productivity & work.
 

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Far more people die of the cold than the heat. If you truly care about people (which many Climate Activists don't), heat isn't the issue.

I propose that any Terbite joining within the last 6 months at least retain that "new member" designation, though "peanut gallery" would often be more appropriate...
 

Frankfooter

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Ah yes, the old "time to get off of them" magical thinking where we don't have any cost-effect & actually useful direct replacement that performs similar useful productivity & work.
Ah yes, that 'its too hard so lets just keep burning fossil fuels' argument.
Renewables are already cheaper, storage is being solved and most people want to buy EV's already.
 

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Maybe we need a West only solution with a big LNG facility in Churchill.
 

John_Jacob

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Ah yes, that 'its too hard so lets just keep burning fossil fuels' argument.
Renewables are already cheaper, storage is being solved and most people want to buy EV's already.
Ah yes, too bad for Alberta when "renewables" didn't work in the extreme cold huh?

"storage is being solved" not for the next 10 years easily. The only thing that will solve the cost storage problem is regulation that will make everything WAY WAY more expensive and thus bam, storage is 'cheap'.

"most people want to buy EV's" - oh yes because everyone can afford the huge upfront costs of EVs. Particularly those in rural areas...

More magical thinking.
 
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Frankfooter

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Ah yes, too bad for Alberta when "renewables" didn't work in the extreme cold huh?

"storage is being solved" not for the next 10 years easily. The only thing that will solve the cost storage problem is regulation that will make everything WAY WAY more expensive and thus bam, storage is 'cheap'.

"most people want to buy EV's" - oh yes because everyone can afford the huge upfront costs of EVs. Particularly those in rural areas...

More magical thinking.
Canada spent $15 billion subsidizing oil and gas last year.
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Spend that much on renewables a year and we'd be laughing and not paying through the nose for climate change.
 
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