Tips/gratuities
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Interesting article on tipping...
http://www.traveller.com.au/a-guide-to-tipping-in-the-us-when-do-i-tip-and-how-much-39x1t
"If it is a very fancy restaurant, perhaps one with Michelin stars, prepare to hand over 25 per cent of the bill (before tax) to the waiter, who will divide it up among his or her support staff. You should also tip the sommelier if they suggest wine, and perhaps the maitre'd, if they gave you a fabulous table. "
http://www.traveller.com.au/a-guide-to-tipping-in-the-us-when-do-i-tip-and-how-much-39x1t
"If it is a very fancy restaurant, perhaps one with Michelin stars, prepare to hand over 25 per cent of the bill (before tax) to the waiter, who will divide it up among his or her support staff. You should also tip the sommelier if they suggest wine, and perhaps the maitre'd, if they gave you a fabulous table. "
Again, you're coming from a poor man's perspective. I understand how you see the world but I guess I operate on a different level of self fulfillment than you do. I have more money than I need, and I'm more interested in having a positive impact on everyone I encounter, at least when I'm out celebrating.
To you every last dollar is precious, you really need it, so you cling to it as tightly as you can. You're cheap.
Not to me.
Tipping for good service after the fact is the norm, for waitresses, cabs et al. But if I had great service from an escort, who shared herself with me, I'd be embarrassed handing her a $20 bill or two. I always include my tip beforehand and, you know what, I have never been disappointed.
Notwithstanding the ongoing argument between fuji and teejay about who is rich (trumpite?) etc and who's poor, which is getting odious.
Notwithstanding the ongoing argument between fuji and teejay about who is rich (trumpite?) etc and who's poor, which is getting odious.
For people that tip big, I think a more interesting question is why do you tip only for the usual things like taxi rides and restaurants.
Lots of crappy minimum wage kinds of jobs out. So why do you tip them, but when you go to the mall and someone helps you buy shoes where they are spending time helping you and hauling shoes back and forth to the backroom, you give them $0 tip. Al Bundy isn't making a lot of money doing that job.
That McDonalds crew making burgers and fries asap during a lunchtime rush can be a pain too. Minimum wage. And nobody tips them either.
Lots of crappy minimum wage kinds of jobs out. So why do you tip them, but when you go to the mall and someone helps you buy shoes where they are spending time helping you and hauling shoes back and forth to the backroom, you give them $0 tip. Al Bundy isn't making a lot of money doing that job.
That McDonalds crew making burgers and fries asap during a lunchtime rush can be a pain too. Minimum wage. And nobody tips them either.
While tipping should be appreciated by people in the service industry, tipping is also a way to exemplify good service, no one should ever tip for bad or crappy service (I certainly don't, and never will) why you would tip for crappy service at all is beyond me.
At the same time I have on quite a few occasions at places that I am a regular at tipped a lot more than the norm sometimes 40-50% of the bill because the service of the wait staff was just that good, which in most cases came to $100-125 in tip. So it's all in the service and there should.
PS Majority of restaurants in the GTA add tips on large groups usually 8 or more and they charge an extra 18% on top of your bill and trying to make 18% the norm for tipping which I totally do not agree with, it will be interesting to see what happens to tipping with the new minimum wage coming in at $15.
Taxi driver tipping rarely
Limo drivers often
Uber often
Hair stylist often
Escorts rarely I think any professional making $250/hr do just fine and can live without tips
For me, I do something like this. I go with the norm and tip, though I find tipping a stupid thing too, since 99% of jobs out there (including other low wage jobs) don't involve any tips, but somehow a handful on sectors demand it.
Travel to Europe and Asia, and they don't want your tips. And related to tipping, you don't see any store/restaurant with a tip jar either at the cash register either.
Awful service: 0% (a handful of times it was so bad I actually gave 0%)
Bad service: 10%
Avg/good service: 15%
I find service from 99% of places to be satisfactory.... good enough for me. I don't need or even want one of those servers hassling the table too often. I find it a pain when you have those over-anxious waiters topping up my water a half inch. Waiters have to know when to serve and when to keep out of sight.
As for food and how that affects tips, that is part of my equation too. People won't like that, but too bad. My customer experience is a mix of food, service, cleanliness etc..... A waiter demanding big tips for their service (despite bad food) is asking for a lot, since there is zero chance of them being ok with a customer loving the food, but not liking the service, so low tips. In that case, a waiter will want tips because the food was good. But when food is bad, they will claim they aren't a cook so don't ding me pts there.
You can't have it both ways.
Also, I find almost every place to have decent service. So for any waiter working at a nice restaurant thinking they are snooty and are a better server than other people, I've never seen it. I don't find your typical Denny's worker hauling ass and serving you fast and checking your bill out any better than a steakhouse waiter doing the same. The only difference is Denny's is a family restaurant that won't win any awards for atmosphere, while a nice steak place will look nicer and the servers will dress better. But service wise, a Denny's worker, a Jack Astors college aged server or fine dining white shirt/black apron server are no different 99% of the time.
Travel to Europe and Asia, and they don't want your tips. And related to tipping, you don't see any store/restaurant with a tip jar either at the cash register either.
Awful service: 0% (a handful of times it was so bad I actually gave 0%)
Bad service: 10%
Avg/good service: 15%
I find service from 99% of places to be satisfactory.... good enough for me. I don't need or even want one of those servers hassling the table too often. I find it a pain when you have those over-anxious waiters topping up my water a half inch. Waiters have to know when to serve and when to keep out of sight.
As for food and how that affects tips, that is part of my equation too. People won't like that, but too bad. My customer experience is a mix of food, service, cleanliness etc..... A waiter demanding big tips for their service (despite bad food) is asking for a lot, since there is zero chance of them being ok with a customer loving the food, but not liking the service, so low tips. In that case, a waiter will want tips because the food was good. But when food is bad, they will claim they aren't a cook so don't ding me pts there.
You can't have it both ways.
Also, I find almost every place to have decent service. So for any waiter working at a nice restaurant thinking they are snooty and are a better server than other people, I've never seen it. I don't find your typical Denny's worker hauling ass and serving you fast and checking your bill out any better than a steakhouse waiter doing the same. The only difference is Denny's is a family restaurant that won't win any awards for atmosphere, while a nice steak place will look nicer and the servers will dress better. But service wise, a Denny's worker, a Jack Astors college aged server or fine dining white shirt/black apron server are no different 99% of the time.
Bingo
I could not have said it better myself. I'm never going to tip any SP who just made 350 cash for an hour's work.
You should have steered the conversation with your example SP about whether or not she pays income tax on that 300 bucks you just paid her.
I really really hope Tee Jay doesn't go out the the same restaurant more than once.
While I personally never went down the revenge road don't doubt it hasn't happened.
While I personally never went down the revenge road don't doubt it hasn't happened.
The biggest problem with having a standard of tipping is it forces the less fortunate to contribute more of their savings than someone who earns alot more money.
A 15% tip could be 50% of what left in somebody's pocket, when the next customer that
earns and saves more, the same tip amount could be just 1% of their pocket money. Of course the person who decides to leave just 40% instead of 50% because they need to save up for their kids school supplies will be labeled as a cheap customer.
People dont have signs over their heads displaying how much they have earned last week, and also this shouldn't mean people that are more fortunate should have to leave large tips for the exact same food and service. But in the end the standard of tipping will in fact be unfair to the less fortunate, and thats why a tipping standard is bullshit.
A 15% tip could be 50% of what left in somebody's pocket, when the next customer that
earns and saves more, the same tip amount could be just 1% of their pocket money. Of course the person who decides to leave just 40% instead of 50% because they need to save up for their kids school supplies will be labeled as a cheap customer.
People dont have signs over their heads displaying how much they have earned last week, and also this shouldn't mean people that are more fortunate should have to leave large tips for the exact same food and service. But in the end the standard of tipping will in fact be unfair to the less fortunate, and thats why a tipping standard is bullshit.
I just finished paying my lawyer almost $10,000 (he charges $400 hour). I was contemplating giving him a small tip ($40) because he did a good job but the approx $1,400 in HST I also had to pay sort of put me off.
Yes, SP's make good money doing what they do and when they are busy they can make a huge amount of money. Remember though, as stated by some SP's here, the majority of SP's working for agencies only earn 60% of the fee. And some have their own personal expenses above and beyond that (i.e. Taxis/uber, condoms,etc...). So that $300/hour you are paying to the agency is now $180. And for those who who also offer shorter sessions, that $150 hh is now $90 hh. Yes, they are still earning a lot of money and many of those on this board cannot get past that. There was one thread on here where it was mentioned that an SP complained on Twitter that guys did not tip. To me that is wrong to complain but again, this is a well reviewed SP who did extra services that others apparently look for. I can understand her reasoning but if that same guy ever came back, she should just deny the extra service he is looking for.
Some offer simply outstanding services and/or experiences for the same price as those who offer terrible or so so experiences. Many guys apparently do not tip the former or latter no matter what. Others will tip both and others will only tip the former. That is their choice to do so. Why complain about them. It is their choice and money to do so. They are neither right or wrong. Some may tip because they feel obligated to and others will tip because they want to show their appreciation to the SP. I am the latter. I tip because I appreciate the service I have been provided. That is my nature. I also give a small tip to the guy/woman who fills my tank at full service gas stations. It is unbelievable the appreciation that is shown when someone receives a $1 or $2 tip.
McDonalds actually has table service
Does anyone feel the urge to tip them?
McDonalds also has delivery service now
$5 surcharge to get it delivered to your work/home
Since they already charge you $5 for it, do you feel obligated to tip them?
Most places give passable service
Getting terrible service or terrific service is an abnormality (or some of the heros in this thread have their bars set way too low)
Meeting minimum requirements for your job in no way warrants any kind of tip
And a clueless waiter who just pesters you multiple times while you are trying to enjoy your meal is digging their own grave as far as tips go
