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Toronto women: are they mostly all golddiggers?
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Some day woman, you'll need a man to move that fridge or carry the dishwasher to the curb, hold the car up while you save the kitty cat, or go up into the attic first.
Other than that, good on ya!
It's absurd to think that all women are gold diggers.
Women are 50% of the population, probably earning 40% of the money in the entire economy, thus spending that money. They aren't spending it on themselves either.
I can't say I've dated gold diggers since I'm not rich, however, I have dated a couple who thought that I was there to pay the shot 100% of the time all the time - meals, entertainment, trips, you name it. One was a High School Teacher making probably 90 grand a year. It wears on you after a while.
If I pay 2 thirds of the time and she pays 1 third of the time, I feel I've got a keeper. It's nice when a woman cracks her wallet open once in a while.
Women are 50% of the population, probably earning 40% of the money in the entire economy, thus spending that money. They aren't spending it on themselves either.
I can't say I've dated gold diggers since I'm not rich, however, I have dated a couple who thought that I was there to pay the shot 100% of the time all the time - meals, entertainment, trips, you name it. One was a High School Teacher making probably 90 grand a year. It wears on you after a while.
If I pay 2 thirds of the time and she pays 1 third of the time, I feel I've got a keeper. It's nice when a woman cracks her wallet open once in a while.
I have to 100% disagree with you here. Now I haven't travelled to Europe but in most cities in the US, and here in the GWN, no, women are more realistic in their expectations of men......Maybe you're travelling to similar places just different countries?Mention any city that have ladies that all don't all think alike. I've travelled around the globe and stayed in numerous major cities, from my experience they're all the same, par for the course. I have no problem with that, they were all over this ugly, bald, fat guy, and I can tell you it wasn't because of what's in my pants.
If you read through the POF ads there is an overwelming frequency in the ads that he "must be financially secure". Well, I thought love and a great man was more important than material or monetary wealth? Guess I'm a fool eh? lol.......
James: funny you mention that. I recently met someone from POF and she paid her share on our first date. Funny enough, she was from PETERBOROUGH not toronto. This just goes along with what I say about women in the big cities: they have certain expectations and as stated, even though they really aren't bringing anything to the table other than just showing up.
I honestly think it's a backwards mindset. The forums there are FILLED with women saying that: guys should do the asking, guys should pay, guys should interpret their "signs", all the things from days gone by totally ignoring the sexual revolution that occured. I kept repeating: Sheesh, don't you all realize that crap went out in the late '50s and '60s?
And like all of you, when I need the services of a man - I pay for it! It is all equal. LOL
Sorry hon, but I am not about to fork out the bill every time we eat. I want someone who can hold their own like me. Also, a man with a good job and who is financially secure brings many other things to the table for himself then just money. He is goal driven, responsible, reliable just to name a few. For the most part anyway.
You are looking at it solely from the financial aspect and assuming that all we want is the money. Wrong thing to assume there Tboy. I know that you have all people do need to be reminded about what happens when you make assumptions.
I am sorry but this one example in your life type crap is annoying. So what she was from Peterborough. That doesn't mean all TO women are money hungry bitches after your wallet.
Do you ever thing that maybe you are not bringing enough to the table yourself to attract the type of women you would like to share things with. Maybe you are just not good enough and your expectations are a little high. I am sorry to say this, but as a man who is single and only paying for it because he single, I have to seriously question why and I wonder what faults you have that come shinning through for others but not to yourself.
BTW - 50's & 60's may be gone, but old school always comes back for a reason. There are some old school values that should not have been lost. In my opnion men have become completely lazy when it comes to dating and it is showing more and more. Being a gentleman doesn't mean paying for everything. Being a gentleman means you should not be booking a hotel room for a second date, and in case you are wondering - that was just a couple of weeks ago for me. And why did he do this? Because he lives at home with his parents and stupid me thought I would gave him the benefit of the doubt. Do you see me saying that all men just want free sex? I think not.
Geez, have you no self-respect ? A lawyer ?
Well I speed alot and since women are only here to use men - why not date a lawyer and get free law advice? LOL
Actually to be honest, I would not date lawyer anyway. I have done that and being the opinionated bitch that I am, it was a debate with no one winning and us just getting so pissed off that sex would be out of the question, and I hate when I get cock blocked.
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That statement grabbed my attention as I don't need a women for anything. There is nothing that I can't do for myself.
Since I've been on my own I have notice one little thing. When a single Mom finds out I have a house and sees the car then she suddenly likes me a lot.
I tend to agree that there are more gold-diggers than you think.
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I can't TELL you how often I hear this, in real life, in singles site forums, etc etc and can you honestly say that those are the FIRST qualities a woman looks for? NOT in my experience.
If that was the case then there would be a LOT of happy homely guys with girlfriends and the singles sites would only be filled with douches.
There's the "jobless" thing again. So, is it ok for a woman to find a guy if she's "jobless"? I (and there are others here) who don't have a "job". I am self employed. There are months when I don't earn a penny, and months when I earn thousands and thousands of dollars. Is this financial stability? Nope. So I guess I'm not worthy or dateable. Would it be "better" if I got a job at McDonald's? Stocking shelves at the grocery store? Or by having a job, do women have a certain TYPE of job in mind?
With the current economy the way it is, there are millions of guys out of work, (as well as women) so I guess my real question is:
Is a guy having a job more important than a woman having a job?
That doesn't mean she is a gold digger. Do you guys not know the meaning of the TERM?
I have noticed a lot of guys who are not interested anymore when they hear the lady has kids, or are more interested when they hear she had sex with a girl once in college.
Even better, when guys find out I use to work, they really really like me then and every conversation turns sexual in some way or another.
Should I assume that men only want one thing - Free sex and fuck the rest. They don't want love, committment, one woman for ever and ever.
Should I lump all men into the same dog catagory? Is that fair?
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Hope you don't mind but I corrected your post...
Haha, I read this and it reminded me of something I heard on Flow 93.5 JJ & Melanie in the morning.
They were on the topic of what kind of men/women people should NOT date.
One girl called in and said, "you shouldn't date a guy, who's good looking, wears nice clothes, drives a BMW, but lives in his Mom's basement and pays no rent."
LOL.
I lived with my mom until I was 22, but not because I wanted to. She wanted me to live there. It made a tonne of sense at the time since I was only basically living there and made enough money for my school plus other car, personal, etc expenses.
Also, I think it is wise that couples sign a pre-nup.
It's only fair that both entities walk out with what they came in, unless otherwise specified.
For a female to bring a huge fortune into a relationship, and then split it 50/50 with her SO is unfair.
Same goes with males, except they leave with a lot less
um nope, because I enjoy love, committment and one woman forever and ever..(onegina disease
) But also, I also sex too.
We can't help the way God made us, horny monkeys, and women look down upon it or take advantage of that. I read an article by an SP once that women control men, thru the power of pussy. And it's kind of true if you think about it.
So woman should accept that we now have to bring half to the table, have to be working, have to look good, have to work AND take of the house AND the kids, being completely faithful to you as the man of the house, let you go out and fuck whoever you want because you are a man and have urges?um nope, because I enjoy love, committment and one woman forever and ever..(onegina disease
But also, I also sex too.
We can't help the way God made us, horny monkeys, and women look down upon it or take advantage of that. I read an article by an SP once that women control men, thru the power of pussy. And it's kind of true if you think about it.
Is that about right?
One thing: guys that are well off financially, goal driven, are for the most part, arrogant, egotistical, and emotionally distant. I have known MANY men who are millionaires and to the one, the main complaint from the women in their lives is the fact that they (the women) aren't "loved" the way they want. They also complain that these guys are always working, never have any time for them, etc etc etc. Sure they have a xxxx in the driveway and shop at holt renfrew, but when he's emotionally shut off?
If that's the guy you want, more power to you.
As for paying for dinner....why not? This is 2009, men have been "forking out for every meal" for thousands of years. When women wanted equality that comes with possibly being the financial "better" in any relationship.
I've been in long term relationships where I am financially better off than my partner, and in one where she was better off than I was. We were living together and were planning on a future. Unfortunately she didn't believe in "pooling the resources". I said to her: then don't plan on EVER taking a vacation with me because if you make 3x what I do, you'll want to go to Cabo and I can only afford Florida. You'll want a 3000 sq ft house, I could afford a bungalow.......I'll be driving a beat up ford pickup and you'll be driving a xxxx.
It is a GOOD example though. I've dated here in Toronto and have yet to see a woman pry her wallet out of her purse. (not saying they haven't picked up a soft drink or ice cream while we're out walking or whatever but I can't even remember the last time a woman offered to treat........)
BTW Kya: I'm not lumping ALL women into this category, just the ones in Toronto lol.....because having travelled extensively, women are WAY more down to earth in just about every other city I have visited in the US and Canada.
Nah, I wouldn't fuck whoever I'd want. I'd stay faithful and not break what I have with my wife and kids. And no I wouldn't expect my wife to bring half to the table, less than that definitely.
But it's like I said, men do have urges, and it's really difficult. It's just our choice whether we want to cheat or not, and if you're extremely good, maybe it wouldn't catch up to you if you were a male.
Women aren't expected to raise kids, these days, however they are expected to nurture and grow them as babies, something a man can't really do. Despite the cases you see with a single Papa, a baby always will need its mother early on in life.
And no one said women had to look good. Women speak amongst themselves in that context.
I think you have the definition of a complete douchebag male in your mind, who's generally selfish, is cheating, but can't afford the shame.
There are plenty of great gentleman who actually aren't selfish out there. Who don't cheat, or don't even "mind-cheat". Who are completely faithful to their children and wife.
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1) Rule one when taking a gal out. Never bring up sex unless she does. I personally do not bed hop. Sex is, for me, something I share with someone special. I can't say I necessarily believe in love anymore.
2) No, however, from my experiences more gals are interested in retiring and then living the good life. I've seen it happen too many times. Like yourself I see a girlfriend as being independent in just about every way.
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I agree with all that you said above except the last point, women shouldn't let men go out and do whoever, unless the lady insists of course. But then again I also agree with the following in conjunction with your post, your post but from the other side's perspective:
"So men should accept that we now have to bring half to the table, have to be working, have to look good, have to work AND take care of the house AND the kids, being completely faithful to you as the woman of the house, let you go out and fuck whoever you want because you are a woman and have urges?" Note, only if the man insists the lady goes out and does whoever she wants.
The point is, times have changed, everything today is to be 50/50 with everything possible, relationships will survive only if each partner is contributing their 50% share.
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2) No, however, from my experiences more gals are interested in retiring and then living the good life. I've seen it happen too many times. Like yourself I see a girlfriend as being independent in just about every way.
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I'm with you here dude. What I'm looking for in a partner (notice I said PARTNER???) is someone who can appreciate me for what I bring to the table as a PERSON, not what I own, what I do, how much I have.
See, I want a woman who values: dedication, honesty, integrity, compassion, emotional openess, stabilty (emotionally), tenderness, kindness, a good heart, NOT someone who cares about what my address is, what kind of car I drive, where I work.....
I work at what I love, not because I want to get rich at it. What I do, is NOT who I am. I'd rather be poor and happy than rich and miserable. Believe me, I've seen, met and spoken with a LOT of women married to the go getter, bay st, bridal path types and to a one, they ALL have complained that their husbands don't really give a shit about them.......
I hear this a lot, why is there only two camps here? Why is it an either/or situation? Is it not possible to be somewhere in between? Something like being happy and financially comfortable without being rich?????
I have met and heard of many ladies who didn't marry the go getter and they all have complained they have no money and their life is a struggle. The number one reason that couples fail is financial.
