So Canadians are banned?
Jews are banned?
White south Africans are banned?
Russians are banned?
Jews are banned?
White south Africans are banned?
Russians are banned?
Trump bars all international students from Harvard
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It doesn't have to make sense. The premise is designed to trigger an emotional response.
If they are successful with Harvard, that will be the next course of action.
If they can make the #1 University in the US to ideologically bend the knee, that will form the blueprint for the future.
No one is banned. International students can apply to hundreds of U.S. universities and there are seven other Ivy League institutions.
Yes, international students are banned at Harvard.
Its all part of the right wing plan. Read 'minority' for 'immigrants'.
The “Invasion” Invention: The Far Right’s Long Legal Battle to Make Immigrants the Enemy
Back on 77 when i went to university in US as international student we were told what to do and not to do while there by international student advisor. Times have changed since then. Ban the student who violate the US law but blanket ban is not constitutional. Harvard will win their lawsuit.
Very 1984.
No dissent from government policy allowed is what you really want?
Would this apply to J6 as well?
The judge has blocked the expulsion of foreign students.
I feel like harvard has broken so many rules that there needs to be some consequences. No consequences than they will feel embolden to continue on in their actions.
Training a xiniiang paramilitary group in any capacity that has been sanctioned by the US govt should have consequences.
Not disclosing the utilization of federal funds for CCP initiatives should have consequences.
Inviting chinese ambassadors to give CCP propaganda speeches on campus should have consequences.
Protestors on campus commiting violent acts or inciting violence and disturbing the educational experience of the entire student body should have consequences.
Harvard has been warned and investigated several times and its unfortunate that the student body, particularly the intl student body will bear a lot of the brunt of the punishments but this will hurt Harvard where it hurts - in their pocket books.
It's merely a snap back to norms. Harvard has pushed the envelope as far as acting as a sovereignty within a sovereignty. There's free speech and there's physical acts of disruption and intimidation. There also seems to be some level of foreign sedition at Harvard. While I am all for airing differing points of view even extreme ones, I don't think our democracy and our proverbial "townhalls" broadly extend to anyone who makes it to our shores.
Sure, Trump is getting political mileage out of it. However, I think he is also putting a wedge between progressives and liberals. He's forcing liberals to confront certain realities. Perhaps the Harvard alumni and donors will continue to force more changes at the institution.
I'm not sure Trump can single out Harvard in this manner, but the Courts will decide.
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True, he can't single them out. I believe there is some clause addressing capricious government actions. But not 100% on that.
Although I don't think he's thinking as strategically as you outlined (I think he's more of a: "how do we rat-fuck them further?"), I agree it will do as you suggest about driving wedges, and may push Harvard even further into rethinking their what and how.
They do actually.
Free speech, right to due process and a few other basic constitutional protections extend to citizens and non-citizens alike.
Harvard is not promoting or condoning violent demonstrations or protests.
But this action by the Trump administration is ideologically and racially motivated and is part of a larger and broader attack specifically on immigrant persons of colour populations - whatever be their status.
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trump is just rage reacting to everything and everyone that resists him.
Yesterday Harvard, today its Apple and the EU.
When I was a U.S. college student many years ago, we had foreign students who were politically active. Some were Marxists from third world and communist-bloc countries with some latent anti-American sentiment. We also had pro-Palestinian students from the Mideast. These foreign students were so small in number no one gave them a second thought. I can tell you knowing some of them first hand they would never intimidate Jewish students or anyone who refused to denounce Israel.
The difference today is that many major universities have so many foreign students that these student groups can bring a lot of havoc to a campus. If they simply carried signs and marched on campus, I don't think we would be having these discussion.
Another factor is many universities have tilted the balance of the administration/faculty to be dominated by progressive politics. There's nothing illegal about that other than it does raise the question of taxpayer funding. What is more problematic is what I said earlier about universities acting like a sovereignty within a sovereignty.
True I remember when I first set foot on a USA campus and to see some Iranian students carrying on it felt quite disrespectful. As an immigrant at one point myself I felt if a country was nice enough to let you in you should at least mind your manners and show some gratitude.
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The problem really is that universities in the states are too reliant on private funding and following the desires of those donors. That's what changed, universities were always more progressive, its the time and place for everyone to learn how to debate about all economic, political and moral concepts. Its not a place for people to ban debate about war crimes elsewhere in the world. What we saw this year is no different than Kent state and protests against the Vietnam war. That war was as wrong as this genocide is.
I would tend to agree, but I think most American and Canadians would say they are guests and they are here to study. The purpose of their stay is not political activism. So if they shutdown a class or a library, I have no problem with one strike and their out when it comes to physical intimidation.
Knowing your orientation, I would suspect you think the U.S. and Canada are political scrums for anyone and everyone to participate in any way they see fit.
They don't have to be. Tolerance and indifference to violence or intimidation is the problem. I believe most large American universities have their own police and mete out their own justice to a degree. However, our civil rights laws give the Federal government power to intervene if individual's rights are obstructed and denied.
I don't see this as an issue of color. Trump seems very comfortable with many populations especially Arabs. I can see the woe is the foreign student of color angle. However, I think it's easy to stay out of trouble when studying here.
