Trumps golden dome is a big useless pile of shit

[The Oracle]

Its been fairly clear - just some news infrastructures refuse to tell their viewers/listeners/readers.

Under Trump, National Science Foundation Cuts Off All Funding to Scientists

National Science Foundation staff were told to freeze outgoing funding days after NSF leadership introduced a new policy that requires that grants be screened for “alignment with agency priorities”

www.scientificamerican.com

Defense Research Cut in Final FY25 Budget

The final spending legislation excludes congressionally directed spending that regularly adds billions for defense research.

www.aip.org

Harvard gets DoD money, and all their federal funds frozen...

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harvards-us-funded-defense-projects-totaled-180-million-recent-years-study-shows-2025-05-30/

''Hegseth announced yesterday that the department would cut $360 million in grants for research and other efforts “not aligned with DOD priorities,” including “in areas of diversity, equity, and inclusion and related social programs; climate change; social science; COVID-19 pandemic response; and other areas.”

I don't see a big problem here...This was their election mandate.

'' A report by economists at American University in Washington DC estimates that a 50% reduction in federal science funding would reduce the US gross domestic product by approximately 7.6%. “This country’s status as the global leader in science and innovation is seemingly hanging by a thread at this point,” one NSF staffer says.''

I'd say this is a very partisan report.

Anyways neither of these backs up your original claim of being able to stop ICBM's being more difficult.

The U.S. is somewhere around 37 trillion dollars in debt at present...They just can't keep going down the same path.

 

[kherg007]

''Hegseth announced yesterday that the department would cut $360 million in grants for research and other efforts “not aligned with DOD priorities,” including “in areas of diversity, equity, and inclusion and related social programs; climate change; social science; COVID-19 pandemic response; and other areas.”

I don't see a big problem here...This was their election mandate.

'' A report by economists at American University in Washington DC estimates that a 50% reduction in federal science funding would reduce the US gross domestic product by approximately 7.6%. “This country’s status as the global leader in science and innovation is seemingly hanging by a thread at this point,” one NSF staffer says.''

I'd say this is a very partisan report.

Anyways neither of these backs up your original claim of being able to stop ICBM's being more difficult.

The U.S. is somewhere around 37 trillion dollars in debt at present...They just can't keep going down the same path.

With all due respect all of it does show, to me, it will hurt efforts. First, many grants being cut are being cut because they had a DEI component - which was mandated by the grant. Thus those scientists who obeyed their mandate got their funds frozen or cut. Note I said DEI component, NOT research on DEI (although some of that seems to have been cut). It was still research on radar, machine learning, rocket propulsion, etc, but they needed to seek out underrepresented people to assist (not drive) the work. Thus killing work on those topics is not helping you develop a system to shoot down ICBMs.

I will also gently add that any mandate in the election is irrelevant to the science. If this was a mandate from the people in a fairly narrow election, it will severely harm the science (just as mandates for tariffs tanked the stock/ bond market). Once you get scientists worried about what they do or say then you get shit science (btw, same applies to purity tests on the left too). The commies and the nazis found this out quite quickly.

Thus, shit science produces shit results. This is an immutable fact. If they cut a brilliant scientist because of a tweet then they are being beyond stupid. Tons of research on group think going back to the 1980s shows that to be true. In particular when it gets severe enough that people self-censor, even worse.

The basic science leading to applied science leading to specific innovations pipeline is one of the main reasons the USA had dominated the globe.
I agree with you that we both want a system that will work. But i think wed both agree that setting up obstacles so as to exclude some of your best and brightest is what kills innovation, at worst, or slows it, at best.

I hope I'm wrong (as you do too lol).

 

[squeezer]

''Hegseth announced yesterday that the department would cut $360 million in grants for research and other efforts “not aligned with DOD priorities,” including “in areas of diversity, equity, and inclusion and related social programs; climate change; social science; COVID-19 pandemic response; and other areas.”

I don't see a big problem here...This was their election mandate.

'' A report by economists at American University in Washington DC estimates that a 50% reduction in federal science funding would reduce the US gross domestic product by approximately 7.6%. “This country’s status as the global leader in science and innovation is seemingly hanging by a thread at this point,” one NSF staffer says.''

I'd say this is a very partisan report.

Anyways neither of these backs up your original claim of being able to stop ICBM's being more difficult.

The U.S. is somewhere around 37 trillion dollars in debt at present...They just can't keep going down the same path.

Did he announce it on Signal first to his peers and others?

 

[onthebottom]

So we should count Canada out then?

 

[Frankfooter]

''Hegseth announced yesterday that the department would cut $360 million in grants for research and other efforts “not aligned with DOD priorities,” including “in areas of diversity, equity, and inclusion and related social programs; climate change; social science; COVID-19 pandemic response; and other areas.”

I don't see a big problem here...This was their election mandate.

'' A report by economists at American University in Washington DC estimates that a 50% reduction in federal science funding would reduce the US gross domestic product by approximately 7.6%. “This country’s status as the global leader in science and innovation is seemingly hanging by a thread at this point,” one NSF staffer says.''

I'd say this is a very partisan report.

Anyways neither of these backs up your original claim of being able to stop ICBM's being more difficult.

The U.S. is somewhere around 37 trillion dollars in debt at present...They just can't keep going down the same path.

Cutting research while crippling the CDC, NOAA and driving international students and teachers out of the country just means that the US will lose what little edge it had.
You'll get a stupider america, but that's what it takes to keep trump and MAGA in power.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1918343655317786795

 

[Frankfooter]

With all due respect all of it does show, to me, it will hurt efforts. First, many grants being cut are being cut because they had a DEI component - which was mandated by the grant. Thus those scientists who obeyed their mandate got their funds frozen or cut. Note I said DEI component, NOT research on DEI (although some of that seems to have been cut). It was still research on radar, machine learning, rocket propulsion, etc, but they needed to seek out underrepresented people to assist (not drive) the work. Thus killing work on those topics is not helping you develop a system to shoot down ICBMs.

I will also gently add that any mandate in the election is irrelevant to the science. If this was a mandate from the people in a fairly narrow election, it will severely harm the science (just as mandates for tariffs tanked the stock/ bond market). Once you get scientists worried about what they do or say then you get shit science (btw, same applies to purity tests on the left too). The commies and the nazis found this out quite quickly.

Thus, shit science produces shit results. This is an immutable fact. If they cut a brilliant scientist because of a tweet then they are being beyond stupid. Tons of research on group think going back to the 1980s shows that to be true. In particular when it gets severe enough that people self-censor, even worse.

The basic science leading to applied science leading to specific innovations pipeline is one of the main reasons the USA had dominated the globe.
I agree with you that we both want a system that will work. But i think wed both agree that setting up obstacles so as to exclude some of your best and brightest is what kills innovation, at worst, or slows it, at best.

I hope I'm wrong (as you do too lol).

trump is a moron and cuts things he doesn't understand because he doesn't understand it.
Like funding for transgenic mice.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928515246622167351

 

[southpaw]

Israel will be the 52nd state....

For someone who calls himself the Oracle, that's pretty naive.

If Israel were a US state, it would be subordinate to the US Congress. In reality, its the other way around.

 

[nottyboi]

Even if the object has no radar stealth there is NO CHANCE they can create a system that is airtight, Even today we have warheads that maneuver, deploy decoys and travel at high hypersonic speed. They are also heavily shielded so lasers would be really hard pressed to harm them. Its a waste of money. Even if they succeed against missiles, how will they stop other weapons like Russia's Poseidon nuclear torpedo?

 

[dirtydaveiii]

''Hegseth announced yesterday that the department would cut $360 million in grants for research and other efforts “not aligned with DOD priorities,” including “in areas of diversity, equity, and inclusion and related social programs; climate change; social science; COVID-19 pandemic response; and other areas.”

I don't see a big problem here...This was their election mandate.

'' A report by economists at American University in Washington DC estimates that a 50% reduction in federal science funding would reduce the US gross domestic product by approximately 7.6%. “This country’s status as the global leader in science and innovation is seemingly hanging by a thread at this point,” one NSF staffer says.''

I'd say this is a very partisan report.

Anyways neither of these backs up your original claim of being able to stop ICBM's being more difficult.

The U.S. is somewhere around 37 trillion dollars in debt at present...They just can't keep going down the same path.

Since Reagan the republicans have been going down the same path. Trump 1.0 amassed a staggering 8.9 trillion dollars in new debt. Now in a matter of months he is adding a bitter 3 trillion in debt. Democrats use debt to create jobs and a robust economy while republicans give away money to their donors.

 

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kherg007
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The Oracle said:
I'm more than sure if China is against it then it's a good thing.

That's not a bad rule of thumb.

Isn't China against US Imperliasm?

 

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kherg007
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That's not a bad rule of thumb.

Isn't China against US Imperliasm?

The ccp should probably look in the mirror

 

[nottyboi]

The Iron dome works pretty well, and it's all paid for by the US.

Did not stop Irans missiles and even houthi missiles are able to evade it

 

[southpaw]

Did not stop Irans missiles and even houthi missiles are able to evade it

I didn't say it was impenetrable. No defensive measure is. I said it works pretty well, which it does.

 

[nottyboi]

I didn't say it was impenetrable. No defensive measure is. I said it works pretty well, which it does.

Pretty well is the same as useless when it comes to nuclear warheads. IT can stop Gaza fireworks, that's about it.

 

[southpaw]

Pretty well is the same as useless when it comes to nuclear warheads. IT can stop Gaza fireworks, that's about it.

Why do you think they're pushing so hard for a war with Iran? And just like the iron dome, they expect the US to pay for it.

 

[nottyboi]

Why do you think they're pushing so hard for a war with Iran? And just like the iron dome, they expect the US to pay for it.

By many analysts accounts, Iran has enough conventional missiles to lay waste to Israel without nukes, and based on the last volley, Israel cannot shoot them down with Iron dome. That said, since Golden Dome cannot protect Canada from a nuclear attack that won't really happen, its kinda pointless. Why associate ourselves with the likely target of nukes. and put potential targets on our territory. Fuck them. Lets spend the 61B on something else.

 

[PeteOsborne]

The Iron dome works pretty well, and it's all paid for by the US.

Israel is the size of New Jersey.
Continental US is 880 times the size of Israel not including Alaska and Hawaii, would they be covered by it as well?
Iron dome is for short range missiles, low speed.
Golden dome would have to intercept an ICBM on re-entry at speeds around 7km/s.

 

[nottyboi]

Israel is the size of New Jersey.
Continental US is 880 times the size of Israel not including Alaska and Hawaii, would they be covered by it as well?
Iron dome is for short range missiles, low speed.
Golden dome would have to intercept an ICBM on re-entry at speeds around 7km/s.

Not only that it will require a massive number of installations to protect the continent. We should just say we wanna see the tech and evaluate it before we invest. Then tell them to sod off after Trump is out of office.

 

[PeteOsborne]

The other problem with the Golden Dome is that it is supposed to take out ICBMs.
Russia for example, has, according to the Bulletin of Atomic Sciences, 5,459 warheads but only 1,254 are delivered via an ICBM.
https://thebulletin.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/rbul_a_2494386_t0001-full.pdf
There would have to be a sub layer of intercepters placed round the coastal areas to intercept the missiles launched by subs in the coastal ocean areas.
Then the air and sea launched cruise missiles as well.
Thaad has a range of 125 miles while the Patriot system has a range of 99 miles.
Patriot targets tactical ballistic missiles and cruise missiles.
Thaad targets short, medium, and intermediate range ballistic missiles.
The length of the continental United States coastline is approximately 12,380 miles.
You would need at least 99 Thaad batteries with staffing to cover just the coastline and still leave the Northern entry open.
Patriot batteries would be in the range of 125 to cover the same area.
At 2.5 Billion USD per Patriot battery, this portion of the dome at 312.5 billion USD would eat up the estimated 175 billion USD cost for the Golden Dome with out even staffing them.

 

[The Oracle]

The other problem with the Golden Dome is that it is supposed to take out ICBMs.
Russia for example, has, according to the Bulletin of Atomic Sciences, 5,459 warheads but only 1,254 are delivered via an ICBM.
https://thebulletin.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/rbul_a_2494386_t0001-full.pdf
There would have to be a sub layer of intercepters placed round the coastal areas to intercept the missiles launched by subs in the coastal ocean areas.
Then the air and sea launched cruise missiles as well.
Thaad has a range of 125 miles while the Patriot system has a range of 99 miles.
Patriot targets tactical ballistic missiles and cruise missiles.
Thaad targets short, medium, and intermediate range ballistic missiles.
The length of the continental United States coastline is approximately 12,380 miles.
You would need at least 99 Thaad batteries with staffing to cover just the coastline and still leave the Northern entry open.
Patriot batteries would be in the range of 125 to cover the same area.
At 2.5 Billion USD per Patriot battery, this portion of the dome at 312.5 billion USD would eat up the estimated 175 billion USD cost for the Golden Dome with out even staffing them.

My thoughts are they're thinking big but would settle for less...Anything that supports the defense of North America I'm down for. This stuff is far above my pay grade.