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Not being mentioned much is that in his interview on NBC's Today Show yesterday, Michael Wolff admitted that his goal was 'We will end this presidency now.' That certainly sounds like impartial journalism rather than blatant partisanship.
 

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https://www.axios.com/the-wolff-lines-on-trump-that-ring-unambiguously-true-2522675021.html

In the past year, we have had many of the same conversations with the same sources Wolff used. We won't betray them, or put on the record what was off. But, we can say that the following lines from the book ring unambiguously true:

How Trump processes (and resists) information:

"It was during Trump's early intelligence briefings … that alarm signals first went off among his new campaign staff: he seemed to lack the ability to take in third-party information."
"Or maybe he lacked the interest; whichever, he seemed almost phobic about having formal demands on his attention."
"Trump didn't read. He didn't really even skim. ... [H]e could read headlines and articles about himself, or at least headlines on articles about himself, and the gossip squibs on the New York Post's Page Six."
"Some ... concluded that he didn't read because he just didn't have to, and that in fact this was one of his key attributes as a populist. He was postliterate — total television."
"[H]e trusted his own expertise — no matter how paltry or irrelevant — more than anyone else's. What's more, he had an extremely short attention span, even when he thought you were worthy of attention."
Instinct over expertise:
"The organization ... needed a set of internal rationalizations that would allow it to trust a man who, while he knew little, was entirely confident of his own gut instincts and reflexive opinions, however frequently they might change."
"Here was a key Trump White House rationale: expertise, that liberal virtue, was overrated."

Ill-preparedness:
"[T]he president's views of foreign policy and the world at large were among [his White House's] most random, uninformed, and seemingly capricious aspects. His advisers didn't know whether he was an isolationist or a militarist, or whether he could distinguish between the two."
"He was enamored with generals and determined that people with military command experience take the lead in foreign policy, but he hated to be told what to do."
"In the Trump White House, policy making ... flowed up. It was a process of suggesting, in throw-it-against-the-wall style, what the president might want, and hoping he might then think that he had thought of this himself."

Low regard by key aides:
"He spoke obliviously and happily, believing himself to be a perfect pitch raconteur and public performer, while everyone with him held their breath.
"If a wackadoo moment occurred on the occasions … when his remarks careened in no clear direction, his staff had to go into intense method-acting response. It took absolute discipline not to acknowledge what everyone could see."
"At points on the day's spectrum of adverse political developments, he could have moments of, almost everyone would admit, irrationality. When that happened, he was alone in his anger and not approachable by anyone."
"His senior staff largely dealt with these dark hours by agreeing with him, no matter what he said."
 

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Not being mentioned much is that in his interview on NBC's Today Show yesterday, Michael Wolff admitted that his goal was 'We will end this presidency now.' That certainly sounds like impartial journalism rather than blatant partisanship.
And it should be ended immediately if the state of Trump's mind is as written.
 

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Not being mentioned much is that in his interview on NBC's Today Show yesterday, Michael Wolff admitted that his goal was 'We will end this presidency now.' That certainly sounds like impartial journalism rather than blatant partisanship.
It sounds like a guy who thinks he can make several million $$$$ from his book if he spins it right.
 

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This is almost exactly what his ghost-writer biographer in "Art of the Deal" has consistently said whenever interviewed. He too believes that Trump should never have been elected president.

And tbh, isn't what you quote EXACTLY what everyone in the public and on this board knows deep down is happening with Trump?!?! He rambles, he rage-tweets, he has no plans, he has no strategy, he is inconsistent. We have all of us already figured out what the biographers are telling us.

The attached is a screenshot of Trump's latest psycho-tweet session. Made at 4:45 AM. Anyone read this crap and think that the president is normal mentally??!!??!! I'll wait.


https://twitter.com/ColMorrisDavis/status/949622898880282625
 

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/\ Yes, everything I've read from The Fire and The Fury rings true and is consistent with information already out. And as for the twitter link in your post: Trump is incapable of not lying. It's fucking amazing.
twitter said:
Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
....to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!

7:30 AM - Jan 6, 2018
Even this is easily disproved. It's like he can't help himself from telling lies even when he doesn't need to. This was NOT Trump's "first try".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000


Bannon broke the golden rule of the workplace; never, ever bad mouth your boss and his or her kids at the office or out in public.:doh:

You would think a guy who believes he's so smart would know this.

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Trump has not been Bannon's boss since he was fired back in August. :doh:
 

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This is almost exactly what his ghost-writer biographer in "Art of the Deal" has consistently said whenever interviewed. He too believes that Trump should never have been elected president.
I'd agree with the last sentence. Then again the same is true of HRC.

The bottom line, however, is that he was elected President and since I don't believe in coup d'états. . .
 

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/\ Yes, everything I've read from The Fire and The Fury rings true and is consistent with information already out. And as for the twitter link in your post: Trump is incapable of not lying. It's fucking amazing.

Even this is easily disproved. It's like he can't help himself from telling lies even when he doesn't need to. This was NOT Trump's "first try".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000



Trump has not been Bannon's boss since he was fired back in August. :doh:
Trump does not consider his past attempts at the White House as running. He actually believes that. I heard an interview with him, a long time ago, he described it as "seeing what happens", but he was looking at the WH since at least the mid eighties. Actually, that he run as Republican is probably an accident of faith, or something. He's been a Democrat, Republican, Independent, Reform. He's donated heavily to Republicans and Democrats. Had the Democratic Party not embraced issues like the illegal immigration he might have been contesting HRC in the Democratic primaries. We'll never know since, even if he does ever write memoirs, he'll never reveal the real dynamics. Pity. My gut feeling is that the final push was his injured pride after the media and Obama responded to his birther flirtation. A man of his ego, drive and resources cannot be made a laughing stock without an appropriate response. That and the implosion of the Republican Party after Romney's defeat.
 

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I'd agree with the last sentence. Then again the same is true of HRC.

The bottom line, however, is that he was elected President and since I don't believe in coup d'états. . .
No need for a coup d’etat The fucker can be taken out legitimately with the 25th. The question here for you assholes is what’s more important a tax break and self gratification or the constitution.
 

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Phil, in the sports forum, even though I may not always agree with your point of view, you will usually back them up with some substance.

However, when it comes to the political forum, the preponderance of your posts are merely mocking what someone else says. It seems you rarely have anything substantive to add. This one is a classic example.
 

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No need for a coup d’etat The fucker can be taken out legitimately with the 25th. The question here for you assholes is what’s more important a tax break and self gratification or the constitution.
It will take the inner circle to actually commit to that. And the bar is extremely high.

So far the entire inner circle, despite this book, us continuing to defend the president. I find it difficult to see a guy like Kelly and McMaster risking the nation.

The 25 is not going to be considered anytime soon. And this narrative will be out of the news again within a week I expect.

Next well be the one year anniversary for talking points. Which will be a rehash of the end of year commentary.
 

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No need for a coup d’etat The fucker can be taken out legitimately with the 25th.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv

See § 4 It is not impossible, but it is deliberately not simple.
It certainly is not he marches to a different drummer, repeats his thoughts, or even that man has Narcissistic personality disorder or has signs of an Antisocial Personality Disorder.
Further it requires at least 14 members of the Cabinet to agree with the Vice-President.
 

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The 25th Amendment is designed for emergency replacement of POTUSes who are comatose or definitely right over the edge psychotic. It requires the sort of congressional majority that only the clearest of situation will generate and immediate action from the cabinet. It's not a practical solution for Trump.

Mueller aside, Trump looks like he is going to stumble through the next 3 years of office, fucking up, golfing, accomplishing nothing but the occasional cookie tossed at the 1% and hopefully not bombing North Korea. He's not really psychiatrically normal. It's evident to any casual observer that he may well suffer from Narcissistic PD, as he hits all the classic symptoms. He may well be slightly senile. And he appears to have no aptitude for the mentally demanding aspects of governing. If he was a medieval king, he would be later written about as Donald the Weak and the historians would note that he was ruled by his advisors and courtiers and that he screwed up and lost several border provinces to the neighbouring kings. He might even be killed and replaced by his nobles, as a result of his incompetence.

But in more civilized times, he is free to bugger around, rant, tweet, golf and watch TV until his term expires.

The issue is whether the GOP will replace him in 2020 or attempt to re run him at a time when the majority of the American people realize that he cannot deliver on his grandiose promises and will not provide any benefit to them.
 

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The 25th Amendment is designed for emergency replacement of POTUSes who are comatose or definitely right over the edge psychotic. It requires the sort of congressional majority that only the clearest of situation will generate and immediate action from the cabinet. It's not a practical solution for Trump.

Mueller aside, Trump looks like he is going to stumble through the next 3 years of office, fucking up, golfing, accomplishing nothing but the occasional cookie tossed at the 1% and hopefully not bombing North Korea. He's not really psychiatrically normal. It's evident to any casual observer that he may well suffer from Narcissistic PD, as he hits all the classic symptoms. He may well be slightly senile. And he appears to have no aptitude for the mentally demanding aspects of governing. If he was a medieval king, he would be later written about as Donald the Weak and the historians would note that he was ruled by his advisors and courtiers and that he screwed up and lost several border provinces to the neighbouring kings. He might even be killed and replaced by his nobles, as a result of his incompetence.

But in more civilized times, he is free to bugger around, rant, tweet, golf and watch TV until his term expires.

The issue is whether the GOP will replace him in 2020 or attempt to re run him at a time when the majority of the American people realize that he cannot deliver on his grandiose promises and will not provide any benefit to them.
I think this year is the tell. If he trades Daca for immigration reform and wall funding, holds the majority in the houses and the economy doesn't falter he wins.

The wild cards are NK and as always the ME if he chooses to engage there.

He isn't playing diplomatically. But in the end process won t matter. Results will.
 

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https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv

See § 4 It is not impossible, but it is deliberately not simple.
It certainly is not he marches to a different drummer, repeats his thoughts, or even that man has Narcissistic personality disorder or has signs of an Antisocial Personality Disorder.
Further it requires at least 14 members of the Cabinet to agree with the Vice-President.
Trump’s competency is hardly a static state. In fact he seems to be deteriorating more quickly than Reagan. At what point does he pose a significant threat to the Republican agenda and election prospects and will that prompt action? Having listened to him for years it was clear he was always an “asshole “,but it is apparent that it is more than paranoia and narcissism that are preventing him from rationally responding to the challenges of the Presidency. The question isn’t how difficult it is to remove him but whether the danger he represents makes him unmanageable. Three more years????
 

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The 25th Amendment is designed for emergency replacement of POTUSes who are comatose or definitely right over the edge psychotic. It requires the sort of congressional majority that only the clearest of situation will generate and immediate action from the cabinet. It's not a practical solution for Trump.

Mueller aside, Trump looks like he is going to stumble through the next 3 years of office, fucking up, golfing, accomplishing nothing but the occasional cookie tossed at the 1% and hopefully not bombing North Korea. He's not really psychiatrically normal. It's evident to any casual observer that he may well suffer from Narcissistic PD, as he hits all the classic symptoms. He may well be slightly senile. And he appears to have no aptitude for the mentally demanding aspects of governing. If he was a medieval king, he would be later written about as Donald the Weak and the historians would note that he was ruled by his advisors and courtiers and that he screwed up and lost several border provinces to the neighbouring kings. He might even be killed and replaced by his nobles, as a result of his incompetence.

But in more civilized times, he is free to bugger around, rant, tweet, golf and watch TV until his term expires.

The issue is whether the GOP will replace him in 2020 or attempt to re run him at a time when the majority of the American people realize that he cannot deliver on his grandiose promises and will not provide any benefit to them.
Very well put Oagre.

Although I suspect that the President is entirely to egotistical to "declare victory" and choose not to run for a second term, I've already heard rumors of other Republicans, who Michael Wolff also hates are considering a run if he can be so convinced.
 

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I think this year is the tell. If he trades Daca for immigration reform and wall funding, holds the majority in the houses and the economy doesn't falter he wins.

The wild cards are NK and as always the ME if he chooses to engage there.

He isn't playing diplomatically. But in the end process won t matter. Results will.
Indeed
 

Aardvark154

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The issue is whether the GOP will replace him in 2020 or attempt to re run him at a time when the majority of the American people realize that he cannot deliver on his grandiose promises and will not provide any benefit to them.
As mentioned before. The problem is since the decline of "the smoke filled room" and the "brokered convention" U.S. political parties have next to no control over candidates. There is no such thing in the U.S. political system as a Riding Association which vets and chooses a party's candidate for a seat.

In the U.S., if you have a good campaign organization, and can convince the voters you can become a political party's candidate. Just look at the last Presidential Election you had an avowed Socialist, who has never been a registered Democrat, running for the Democratic nomination, and a man who had only been a registered Republican for four and half years at the time he was elected President.
 
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