Two Biological Males Allowed to Fight in Female Div. At Paris Olympics

[Bucktee]

Why not simply abolish boxing altogether. In reality, the essence of the sport is for somebody with superior power and skill to beat up somebody less endowed.

The essence of boxing is skill which is why it's colloquially called the "sweet science".

As someone else said, the superior power is accounted for in weight classes.

Floyd Mayweather was never powerful - he has fragile hands that break during fights - but his speed & accuracy [to hit but not get hit back] allowed him to defeat every single opponent he's faced.

He's considered as one, if not the greatest technical boxer of all time.

The argument against male vs female bouts can easily be expanded to any bout.

It cannot be done easily. Getting passed the fact that sex is the determining factor in this situation makes it difficult.

What is true is that anything can be deconstructed to absurd levels. But lines are drawn and categories are defined every day using reason.

 

[danmand]

The essence of boxing is skill which is why it's colloquially called the "sweet science".

As someone else said, the superior power is accounted for in weight classes.

You must realize that you are destroying your own argument. If the essence of boxing is skill, then men vs women is immaterial.

The fact is that only weight and gender is accounted for, when it comes to physiological endowments. Muscle fiber composition, lung capacity, and brain structure as examples are not accounted for.

PS: I am aware that my arguments are favoured by my objections to violent sports.

 

[Bucktee]

You must realize that you are destroying your own argument. If the essence of boxing is skill, then men vs women is immaterial.

While the essence of boxing is skill, power is important and that's why the weight classes exist.

Perhaps we can drawn an equivalence for the sake of illustration between gender and weight:

An average female boxer competing against an average male boxer may be the equivalent of an average male lightweight boxer facing an average heavyweight male boxer. It makes no sense to pit these two against each other in a fight.

The point is that the power differential between the sexes is so great, that it's akin to different weight classes.

So the options would be to
1. delineate boxing along gender lines as it is successfully done now,
2. complicate bouts by pitting lower weight male boxers against heavier female boxers, or
3. allow women that want to compete against men free to do so in the same weight category. This will never happen because female boxers want to compete rather than get killed.

 

[danmand]

While the essence of boxing is skill, power is important and that's why the weight classes exist.

Perhaps we can drawn an equivalence for the sake of illustration between gender and weight:

An average female boxer competing against an average male boxer may be the equivalent of an average male lightweight boxer facing an average heavyweight male boxer. It makes no sense to pit these two against each other in a fight.

The point is that the power differential between the sexes is so great, that it's akin to different weight classes.

So the options would be to
1. delineate boxing along gender lines as it is successfully done now,
2. complicate bouts by pitting lower weight male boxers against heavier female boxers, or
3. allow women that want to compete against men free to do so in the same weight category. This will never happen because female boxers want to compete rather than get killed.

You are making a lot of sense in defending what I consider a lost cause.
You are really saying: While the essence of boxing is power , skill is important and that's why the weight classes exist.
Why not just stop the violence and lead children into non-violent sports?

Of course, that will not happen, and truthfully, boxing is today civilized compared to the new combat sports like cage fighting and bare knuckle fighting.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

So if estrogen and testosterone indicate gender than tampon don is surely a women. His rack is larger than 90% of the female population

 

[Insidious Von]

She has been considered female since birth and there is absolutely no indication of what 'test' she may have failed, especially since the decision was made in secret by two exec who were dropped from the Olympics for corruption. I doubt Algeria would qualify as a woke state.

The mega mooching IOC telling another sports organization its corrupt is extremely rich. Ms Carini is right, a mere trinket isn't enough compensation to become a female Allan Minter.

 

[mandrill]

Twitter thread outlining the role of Russia in creating the controversy and exploiting it.

x.com

x.com

 

[Vinson]

 

[gollumtroll]

Anyone noticed that the CBC Olympic coverage this morning (Aug 03) is not showing any of the session #1 boxing which has the matches for Imane Klefief and Lin Yu-Ting. Instead they are showing session #2 in the afternoon.

I wonder if CBC is censoring? Luckily there are other options to watch these fights.

 

[jsanchez]

No controversy in this sport

 

[gollumtroll]

No controversy in this sport


View attachment 347852

 

[Skoob]

Ohhh i see. "Moving goal posts" is the code you use when you get caught providing misinformation... So that means I moved the goal posts a good 3-4 times on you? If I were to predict, the next article you drop I will probably get to move the goal post another 3 times.

What misinformation have I provided exactly?

I showed you a man fighting a woman in a professional match and she won.
You are arguing that he wasn't a real pro even though he had two prior pro fights.

Semantics.

The point is lost on you.

 

[Skoob]

You know I just realized that none of your examples have any real video evidence? So I decided to provide you with one. This is a story about Lucia Rjiker:

So let me understand this...I provided an article that described a kickboxing fight between a man and a woman and you made a point of saying kickboxing is different than boxing.

Then you provide your video about a woman and a man in a kickboxing match?

Do you even know what you're arguing about right now or are all those blows to your head affecting your reasoning?

 

[Vinson]

 

[Vinson]

View attachment 347856

What guy doesn't fix the family jewels ?

 

[The Oracle]

Boxer Khelif clinches medal amid gender dispute

Algerian boxer Imane Khelif, the subject of a gender controversy, clinched a medal at the Paris Olympics after defeating Anna Luca Hamori of Hungary in the quarterfinals of the women's 66-kilogram bout.

www.espn.com

"Let's be very clear here: We are talking about women's boxing," Bach said Saturday. "We have two boxers who are born as a woman, who have been raised a woman, who have a passport as a woman, and who have competed for many years as women. And this is the clear definition of a woman. There was never any doubt about them being a woman."

"What we see now is that some want to own the definition of who is a woman," Bach added. "And there I can only invite them to come up with a scientific-based new definition of who is a woman, and how can somebody being born, raised, competed and having a passport as a woman cannot be considered a woman?''

' "If they are coming up with something, we are ready to listen," Bach added. "We are ready to look into it, but we will not take part in a sometimes politically motivated cultural war."

These statements from IOC President Thomas Bach.


So it's comes down to Matt Walsh's what is a woman question.

How about a chromosome and hormone analysis....

 

[DesRicardo]

x.com

x.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Boxer Khelif clinches medal amid gender dispute

Algerian boxer Imane Khelif, the subject of a gender controversy, clinched a medal at the Paris Olympics after defeating Anna Luca Hamori of Hungary in the quarterfinals of the women's 66-kilogram bout.

www.espn.com

"Let's be very clear here: We are talking about women's boxing," Bach said Saturday. "We have two boxers who are born as a woman, who have been raised a woman, who have a passport as a woman, and who have competed for many years as women. And this is the clear definition of a woman. There was never any doubt about them being a woman."

"What we see now is that some want to own the definition of who is a woman," Bach added. "And there I can only invite them to come up with a scientific-based new definition of who is a woman, and how can somebody being born, raised, competed and having a passport as a woman cannot be considered a woman?''

' "If they are coming up with something, we are ready to listen," Bach added. "We are ready to look into it, but we will not take part in a sometimes politically motivated cultural war."

These statements from IOC President Thomas Bach.


So it's comes down to Matt Walsh's what is a woman question.

How about a chromosome and hormone analysis....

Aren't you on the side that argues there are only two sexes?
So this means she is a woman.

 

[The Oracle]

Aren't you on the side that argues there are only two sexes?
So this means she is a woman.

What's a woman?

 

[The Oracle]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1819510722889482335