U.K. Supreme Court issues key ruling on definition of "woman" under existing equality law

[JuanGoodman]

I won't pass judgement based on board posts.
And I don't want anything from you so have no desire for a deal.

so we cool?

I don't have to call you by your chosen pronouns

and you won't call me an asshole?

 

[richaceg]

No, if you get called an asshole its likely because you're acting like an asshole.
Its your choice, as Jenesis very eloquently put it.

If you want to call people names they find derogatory because you think its your right or freedom, then its within reason that some may call you an asshole for it.
That is the crux of the woke debate.

Calling a trans woman a trans woman isn't being Ann asshole Franky. Being offended doesn't prove that. Why are trans SPs putting in TS in their ads?

 

[Jenesis]

Calling a trans woman a trans woman isn't being Ann asshole Franky. Being offended doesn't prove that. Why are trans SPs putting in TS in their ads?

Advertising market niche?????

Plenty of reasons. It does not mean they are doing it because the community should all be defined by the word trans.

I advertise as a BBW doesn’t mean every big girl in the world should be called that.

 

[Jenesis]

easy there sister, no one is forcing anyone , I said "demand" not "force"

calling someone a dirty whore in an argument is simply rude and I would never do it

as I hope that you would not call me an asshole because it's rude as well

if you call someone an asshole, it says more about you than them

You are smarter then this. I know you are

Some would say calling me a dirty whore is factual because that is there opinion. While others will say it is rude.

Some would say purposely misgendering a trans person is factual because that is their opinion. While others will say it is rude.

Same thing sweetie.

So don't call a trans person by their preferred pronouns. That is your right. No one is taking that away from you. Just know that others are going to think it is rude and maybe call you an asshole for it. As is their rights.

See - everyone's right are being met.

However - and I'm only pointing this out but I'm not going to get into a huge debate about. Peoples rights get trumped all the time but the more important rights of others. Example - I operate as business and as customer you have the right to that service without discrimination. Yet my right to choose for my body outweighs your right to non discriminatory service. So I can say no to you for your race, your size, your religion, etc.

So you see - there are times where one persons rights will trump another's. I'm not saying this is the case here. I'm not say it is not. I'm just saying it happens and for good reason.

 

[richaceg]

Advertising market niche?????

Plenty of reasons. It does not mean they are doing it because the community should all be defined by the word trans.

I advertise as a BBW doesn’t mean every big girl in the world should be called that.

So you're saying its OK to use it at their convenience only? But if someone calls them Trans it's not OK? Is there a difference between a trans woman a ND. Woman? Or feelings is all you need to break that barrier between the 2?

 

[Frankfooter]

Calling a trans woman a trans woman isn't being Ann asshole Franky. Being offended doesn't prove that. Why are trans SPs putting in TS in their ads?

That's likely saying if I saw you in person and said you're fat and ugly its not being asshole or rude because its accurate.

 

[richaceg]

You are smarter then this. I know you are

You're now trying to gaslight your way out of an argument.

 

[Jenesis]

So you're saying its OK to use it at their convenience only? But if someone calls them Trans it's not OK? Is there a difference between a trans woman a ND. Woman? Or feelings is all you need to break that barrier between the 2?

Sure it is about convenience in regards to advertising. How is it not? It is advertising.

I don't go around calling myself a BBW in my personal life. Why would I? Give your head a shake.

The industry and civie life are two different things.

You're now trying to gaslight your way out of an argument.

I don't think you really know what that term means.

That is not gaslighting at all. You are just trying to use buzz-words to win your argument.

 

[Frankfooter]

You're now trying to gaslight your way out of an argument.

You're saying you're not that smart?

 

[JuanGoodman]

You are smarter then this. I know you are

Some would say calling me a dirty whore is factual because that is there opinion. While others will say it is rude.

Some would say purposely misgendering a trans person is factual because that is their opinion. While others will say it is rude.

Same thing sweetie.

So don't call a trans person by their preferred pronouns. That is your right. No one is taking that away from you. Just know that others are going to think it is rude and maybe call you an asshole for it. As is their rights.

See - everyone's right are being met.

However - and I'm only pointing this out but I'm not going to get into a huge debate about. Peoples rights get trumped all the time but the more important rights of others. Example - I operate as business and as customer you have the right to that service without discrimination. Yet my right to choose for my body outweighs your right to non discriminatory service. So I can say no to you for your race, your size, your religion, etc.

So you see - there are times where one persons rights will trump another's. I'm not saying this is the case here. I'm not say it is not. I'm just saying it happens and for good reason.

how about if we keep it simple and we just introduce ourselves?

"Hello Jenesis, I'm Juan, nice to meet you"

"Hello Juan, nice to meet you as well"

"have a lovely day"

that's all I need to know about you

I don't need to hear about your sexuality from the get go

maybe if I get to know you better we might talk about it

and then maybe you will listen to my story as well

and sympathize with my issues

you are not special or better or worse than me

so do not force yourself on me by demanding that I acknowledge your sexual perception of yourself

I might not be as comfortable with sexual orientation as you are

your insistence that I see your sexuality is like a pervert exposing himself to strangers

keep your sexuality to yourself and deal with it appropriately

if having a penis and not knowing what to do with it is making you unhappy

then see a specialist or a doctor

maybe it's a chemical unbalance or some psychological trauma

learn to mediate and observe your thoughts and feelings instead of getting lost in them

try to see the world from the point of you of how I can help others and not from a view that you are special and others have to validate your existence in some way

that's how you make the world better for all of us

 

[Frankfooter]

how about if we keep it simple and we just introduce ourselves?

"Hello Jenesis, I'm Juan, nice to meet you"

"Hello Juan, nice to meet you as well"

"have a lovely day"

that's all I need to know about you

That's all that's required in a conversation with someone trans as well.
Not rich's 'hello, you are a trans woman'.

 

[JuanGoodman]

That's all that's required in a conversation with someone trans as well.
Not rich's 'hello, you are a trans woman'.

that's not what you want though

you want me to acknowledge you in a special way

I have to ask you first "what are your pronouns"

 

[Frankfooter]

that's not what you want though

you want me to acknowledge you in a special way

I have to ask you first "what are your pronouns"

Really, you need coaching with this?
You don't have to ask pronouns when you say hello.

 

[Jenesis]

how about if we keep it simple and we just introduce ourselves?

"Hello Jenesis, I'm Juan, nice to meet you"

"Hello Juan, nice to meet you as well"

"have a lovely day"

that's all I need to know about you

I don't need to hear about your sexuality from the get go

maybe if I get to know you better we might talk about it

and then maybe you will listen to my story as well

and sympathize with my issues

you are not special or better or worse than me

so do not force yourself on me by demanding that I acknowledge your sexual perception of yourself

I might not be as comfortable with sexual orientation as you are

your insistence that I see your sexuality is like a pervert exposing himself to strangers

keep your sexuality to yourself and deal with it appropriately

if having a penis and not knowing what to do with it is making you unhappy

then see a specialist or a doctor

maybe it's a chemical unbalance or some psychological trauma

learn to mediate and observe your thoughts and feelings instead of getting lost in them

try to see the world from the point of you of how I can help others and not from a view that you are special and others have to validate your existence in some way

that's how you make the world better for all of us

What are you going on and on and on about? Seriously......

Why so mad bro?

 

[richaceg]

That's all that's required in a conversation with someone trans as well.
Not rich's 'hello, you are a trans woman'.

Lol where in my post is that? You can go back and forth about this at the end of the day....trans knows who they are and they can have relationships that they will still disclose as such and not flat out tell their potential partner what they "feel" they are... there is no way around it. You know it.

 

[richaceg]

Sure it is about convenience in regards to advertising. How is it not? It is advertising.

I don't go around calling myself a BBW in my personal life. Why would I? Give your head a shake.

The industry and civie life are two different things.

I don't think you really know what that term means.

That is not gaslighting at all. You are just trying to use buzz-words to win your argument.

You know what you did...lol...stop capping....

 

[Frankfooter]

Lol where in my post is that? You can go back and forth about this at the end of the day....trans knows who they are and they can have relationships that they will still disclose as such and not flat out tell their potential partner what they "feel" they are... there is no way around it. You know it.

Drunk at noon?

I have no idea what you're rambling on about. its like some weird inner monologue or debate with yourself.

 

[richaceg]

Sure it is about convenience in regards to advertising. How is it not? It is advertising.

I don't go around calling myself a BBW in my personal life. Why would I? Give your head a shake.

The industry and civie life are two different things.

I don't think you really know what that term means.

That is not gaslighting at all. You are just trying to use buzz-words to win your argument.

Are you sure it's just about to attract people who loves trans or also to inform people they might not get a biological woman?

 

[richaceg]

Drunk at noon?

I have no idea what you're rambling on about. its like some weird inner monologue or debate with yourself.

Says the guy who can't answer if there a difference between a trans and a biological woman...

 

[Jenesis]

Drunk at noon?

I have no idea what you're rambling on about. its like some weird inner monologue or debate with yourself.

Right?!?!?