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mandrill

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Hardly anyone is shedding tears for Rishi and his despised Cons. However, Labour's landslide victory has its own cracks that it will have to face.
People fighting against genocide in Palestine have shown that organizing and hard door-to-door work yield results.

 

WyattEarp

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Any chance they change UK's prostitution law now?
Please elaborate. I thought the UK was fairly liberal on prostitution. What is your concern or interest?
 

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During WWII, the UK had leadership of the highest quality with Winston Churchill as Prime Minister and Clement Atlee as Home Secretary/Deputy PM. In 1948, Atlee ushered in the NHS.

PM Starmer hasn't wasted any time putting his cabinet together, he faces a monumental challenge.

 
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Starmer also pledged to recognize the Palestinian state. He promises shit to everyone to get elected.
That applies to every politician...justvlike "and the budget will balance itself "
 
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During WWII, the UK had leadership of the highest quality with Winston Churchill as Prime Minister and Clement Atlee as Home Secretary/Deputy PM. In 1948, Atlee ushered in the NHS.

PM Starmer hasn't wasted any time putting his cabinet together, he faces a monumental challenge.

That's the problem for the UK. The collapse of the industrial sector has left large sections of the country - Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Wales, Glasgow, Tyneside and others - economically unviable. So the country is more and more dependent on the City of London and financial services for its economic survival. So you get the equivalent of the tech industry on the West Coast. A small % are very wealthy and an increasingly large % are unable to even afford staples like housing and food.
 

Insidious Von

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That's the problem for the UK. The collapse of the industrial sector has left large sections of the country - Lancashire, West Yorkshire, South Wales, Glasgow, Tyneside and others - economically unviable. So the country is more and more dependent on the City of London and financial services for its economic survival. So you get the equivalent of the tech industry on the West Coast. A small % are very wealthy and an increasingly large % are unable to even afford staples like housing and food.
Canada benefited handsomely from the arrival of the Thatcher migrants. The majority were skilled trades people, after the Quebec Referendum our economy boomed. Margaret Thatcher deregulated London's financial services, she's loved in the city - considered a bloody monster in Liverpool. David Cameron is like Brian Mulroney, a bad gambler. His policies ruined the UK's economy.

If I may indulge one last time:

 

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The new Justice minister Shabana Mahmood

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Starmer expelled Corbyn, the UK's answer to Frankie. It was part of an initiative to take Labour into the centre to force the Tories to the right where they would fight Reform for the votes of the UK Mitch's and Orries and Kirks.

Starmer throws dog treats at the party's remaining lefties while also throwing dog treats at the party's moderates.

With a 200+ seat majority, he can now keep the treats all to himself. So we'll see what he does.
Incorrect. Corbyn was not expelled. He resigned and ran as an independent. Lo and behold, he bucked the landslide and local voters gave Starmer a defiant and proud middle finger.
 

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Reform got 10 seats, bro. Or mate, since it's the UK.

Labour has over 400 seats. Forty times what Reform got. 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹

The Right is fucked in the UK for the next 20 years. Starmer just won the biggest electoral landslide in British history.
Labour got 33.7% of the vote and somehow win a super majority with 411 seats. That would never happen here in Canada. You'd need at least 40% of the popular vote to win that much of a majority.
Reform got only 5 seats despite garnering 14.3% of the vote. They also didn't run candidates in 41 of the 650 constituencies. The Liberal Democrats got 12.2% of the vote and elected 72 MP's.
Clearly there is something very wrong with the FPTP system in the UK. That makeup in Parliament doesn't at all represent the will of the people.
Also the exit polling was way off.
 

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Labour got 33.7% of the vote and somehow win a super majority with 411 seats. That would never happen here in Canada. You'd need at least 40% of the popular vote to win that much of a majority.
Reform got only 5 seats despite garnering 14.3% of the vote. They also didn't run candidates in 41 of the 650 constituencies. The Liberal Democrats got 12.2% of the vote and elected 72 MP's.
Clearly there is something very wrong with the FPTP system in the UK. That makeup in Parliament doesn't at all represent the will of the people.
Also the exit polling was way off.
Totally impossible here.
 

mandrill

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Labour got 33.7% of the vote and somehow win a super majority with 411 seats. That would never happen here in Canada. You'd need at least 40% of the popular vote to win that much of a majority.
Reform got only 5 seats despite garnering 14.3% of the vote. They also didn't run candidates in 41 of the 650 constituencies. The Liberal Democrats got 12.2% of the vote and elected 72 MP's.
Clearly there is something very wrong with the FPTP system in the UK. That makeup in Parliament doesn't at all represent the will of the people.
Also the exit polling was way off.
FPTP is a solution to the multi party, coalition chaos that European countries like Italy and France have.

If a side benefit is that it keeps fringe racist grifter fucks like Farage out of power, so much the better.
 

mandrill

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We ignore the other MASSIVE story in the 2024 election: - the complete collapse of the Scottish National Party.

Not sure why this happened. Possibly the general disillusionment about separatism post Brexit. Plus some scandals involving party leadership.

My own theory is that the Great Haggis Famine of 2023 destroyed the SNP from within!!

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WyattEarp

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There are a lot of activates associated with prostitution which are illegal.

You need to watch this video

What is the future of sex work in the UK? | ITV News (youtube.com)
It's not easy for a Western government to deal with forms of legalized prostitution. There are enough people who oppose it to make government sound decisions difficult if not impossible. Most Western nations have a half in approach which leads to ancillary problems.

I live in the U.S. where there's a checkerboard approach that doesn't attempt to legitimize prostitution with the exception of Nevada. Some cities are like we don't want to know about it. Just keep it discreet. Other cities have had bizarre random enforcement to obviously create a deterrence and score political points.
 
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WyattEarp

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Starmer also pledged to recognize the Palestinian state. He promises shit to everyone to get elected.
mandrill, we can have this discussion from two different political perspectives. I don't think the pro-Palestinian lobby is going to find much success at the ballot box in Canada, the U.S. and the U.K. This might be true in Western Europe as well. Any political success they have will tend to help conservative parties as I would expect a backlash.

The political game will be liberal parties to pay lip service to the minority without much substance.
 

mandrill

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mandrill, we can have this discussion from two different political perspectives. I don't think the pro-Palestinian lobby is going to find much success at the ballot box in Canada, the U.S. and the U.K. This might be true in Western Europe as well. Any political success they have will tend to help conservative parties as I would expect a backlash.

The political game will be liberal parties to pay lip service to the minority without much substance.
Depends. I am guessing that there is a heavy Muslim immigrant population in several EGH ridings. They have to be placated, or will simply boycott the elections. And whether Trudeau behaves himself is an issue.

Duggo suspended an MPP of Iranian ethnic origin and anti Islamic views a couple of weeks ago. OTOH, the MPP in question was so dumb that she was hanging out with Tommy Robinson, who is an anti Muslim hate speech grifter from the UK of very unsavoury antecedents. That said, the pro Israel Twitter crowd was demanding Duggo be thrown from office over that and I was sad to see that John Spencer was hosting that debate.

I believe that Labour lost some voters in heavy Muslim immigrant ridings over Starmer's refusal to go further in supporting Pali statehood and criticizing Israel. It didn't matter given the extent of Labour's landslide. But in a closer election, it might have gotten interesting.
 
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