Ultimate Fighter on Spike TV

[Manji]

Not sure if I should post this on the Sport section but what the hell.... if the mods see fit to move this post then move the post...

Caught Spike TV's new show; the Ultimate Fighter.

Not too bad. A reality show where they bring a whole bunch of guys and one or two of them will get a contract with the UFC.

Anybody catch it?
Missed the beginning so I don't know what the fighters' backgrounds are or where they are located originally.

Some thoughts:

The gym is amazing. Wish Toronto had something like that to train at for Mixed Martial Arts.
Randy Coutoure is a really cool and chillin guy (so is Liddell). No ego and they seem to be great instuctors.
Only middleweight and heavyweights? That sucks!!! Why only the big guys... Should be some welterweights or lightweights...

 

[Esco!]

Whatever happened to Shamrock???
Is he still around????

He was one tough f__ker
They said that Mike Tyson wouldnt last 2 minutes against him, I'm not sure if thats true but he was definitely tough to beat

 

[Spode]

I'm a big fan of MMA but this show sucks!!

It reminds me too much of that other reality show from WWE.

BTW Manji are there any shows from UFC, Pride or K1 coming up?

PS to Escohort

Shamrock fought 3 years ago against tito ortiz and got smoked. I think he fought last year and won but it was against some hasbeen

Tyson back in the day with a bit of ground training would definitely be dangerous. If he was to accidentally or purposefully connect with those chincy gloves it would be over.

You got to remember Tyson is not like your average fighter. He's got some kind of animal like quality and quite unstable. (nothing to do with race, guys please!).

 

[Spode]

shamrock retired unless hes reappearring...blimey i wanted to catch that show actually...i love fighting esp no holds barr...

awww Tyson was my idol at one time, very long ago when he was in his prime boxing wise...now hes a disgrace to the profession...sad really he had so much promise...

annalee

Hey Annalee,

Is it true that you have long firm legs?

 

[Esco!]

I dont understand why Tyson doesnt get into UFC fighting. He's washed up as a boxer but in UFC he can get away with a lot more of his antics. Plus he would a major boon to the sport.

I heard he was gonna get into K1 but that was last year and I havent heard anything since

 

[Spode]

and very strong...

OH YEAH! How much can you squat?

 

[l69norm]

...The gym is amazing. Wish Toronto had something like that to train at for Mixed Martial Arts...... Should be some welterweights or lightweights...

Carlos Newton is suppose to have a gym in Newmarket. He fights as a welterweight in both UFC and PrideFC.

http://www.ufc.tv/fighterPage/fighterPage.asp?weightClass=Welterweight
http://www.pridefc.com/interviews/newton_05/newton_05.htm

 

[l69norm]

......Shamrock fought 3 years ago against tito ortiz and got smoked. I think he fought last year and won but it was against some hasbeen....Tyson back in the day with a bit of ground training would definitely be dangerous. ....

Shamrock just had some surgery done (torn ADH). He KO'd Kimo in the first round with a knee to the head. I woundn't call Kimo a has been, he's 10-4-1.

Tito has not been impressive. His fight with Patrick Cote was lame.

UFC51 features Tito against Vitor Belfort on Feb 5.

I want to see Randy Couture vs. Wanderlei Silva

Did you see Bob Sapp challenge Tyson at "K1 Battle at the Bellagio"

 

[l69norm]

I dont understand why Tyson doesnt get into UFC fighting. He's washed up as a boxer but in UFC he can get away with a lot more of his antics. Plus he would a major boon to the sport....

Tyson wouldn't last one fight in UFC, Pride or K1 as he doesn't have any sense of sportsmanship

 

[Spode]

Tyson wouldn't last one fight in UFC, Pride or K1 as he doesn't have any sense of sportsmanship

Are you kidding me? Sportsmanship? Have you watched these events or have you not seen Wes Simms, Phil Baroni, Francois Botha. Even some of the stars are borderline poor sports. Take a look at Silva. He's always causing shit outside of the ring and he intends on crippling people with his heel stomp and soccer kicks.

 

[Manji]

BTW Manji are there any shows from UFC, Pride or K1 coming up?

Tyson back in the day with a bit of ground training would definitely be dangerous. If he was to accidentally or purposefully connect with those chincy gloves it would be over.

You got to remember Tyson is not like your average fighter. He's got some kind of animal like quality and quite unstable.

I think there's a UFC fight Feb 05. Tito Ortiz and Vitor Belfort are going to go at it - the battle of the former light heavyweight champions.
A K-1 MAX fight is scheduled for Feb 23. I think it will just have Japanese fighters fighting to qualify for future fights.

As for Tyson, I don't think he would do well as a Mixed Marital Artist.
His boxing technique, his ferocity and his strength would make him dangerous fighting standing up but as long as a fighter doesn't fight his fight ( I know it is easier said than done...) Tyson could be rendered impotent.

I don't think Tyson would be able to adjust to the ground game or even handle kicks. Mentally, I think he's just a boxer and I don't think a man like Tyson could adjust to Mixed Martial Arts (maybe if he had started it when he was in his twenties).

 

[Manji]

Shamrock just had some surgery done (torn ADH). He KO'd Kimo in the first round with a knee to the head. I woundn't call Kimo a has been, he's 10-4-1.

Tito has not been impressive. His fight with Patrick Cote was lame.

UFC51 features Tito against Vitor Belfort on Feb 5.

I want to see Randy Couture vs. Wanderlei Silva

Did you see Bob Sapp challenge Tyson at "K1 Battle at the Bellagio"

Kimo may have a winning record but it would not be farfetched to call him a "has-been".
Highly doubtful that he will rise up the Mixed Martial Arts ranks.
Plus, having a winning record does not mean much; it all depends on who you fight that determines what you have to offer.

Couture and Wanderlai.
Will that happen? Who knows.....
The UFC is very over-protective of their fighters and may not let Couture fight Silva.

Yeah, Saw Sapp challenge Tyson. What a laugh!!
Sapp actually fought Kimo and barely won (with the help of the officials). He could barely stand and was breathing so hard that I thought he was gonna faint and yet he still calls out Tyson.
Totally staged!! Tyson was so calm and was just smiling as Sapp tried to trash talk to him... All Tyson said was "Bring out the contract!"

I think the UFC would avoid trying to bring Tyson into its fights. Mixed Martial Arts is still viewed as bloodsport/sideshow and not a sport by many in the Sports World and the general public.
Bringing in a guy like Tyson would only futher that image of thugs just beating their brains out; something that the UFC would try to avoid.

The Japanese (Pride and K-1) would not mind bringing in Tyson since Mixed Martial Arts is established in Japan. The Japanese love the entertainment apsect of fighting as well, and bringing in Tyson to Pride or K-1 would definitly be interesting/entertaining to say the least.

 

[Manji]

Carlos Newton is suppose to have a gym in Newmarket. He fights as a welterweight in both UFC and PrideFC.

http://www.ufc.tv/fighterPage/fighterPage.asp?weightClass=Welterweight
http://www.pridefc.com/interviews/newton_05/newton_05.htm

Whoops...
Sorry I meant lightweights and welterweights in the show itself.

Heard about the gym in NewMarket, but I doubt that it would be as nice as that gym in Vegas.
They got some nice gyms in the States. Heard the Fairtex gyms in California are pretty nice as well (the Thai trainer in the show is from Fairtex).

Lately, Carlos has been losing more fights than he has been winning.
Wonder if it has to do with his training or has he had just bad streak of luck.
Might need to adjust his training.

Somebody should also tell him that there is already an old folks home in Toronto for Japanese Seniors. Doubt if there is enough Japanese Seniors for two old folks home in Ontario.

 

[l69norm]

Are you kidding me? Sportsmanship? Have you watched these events or have you not seen ....Even some of the stars are borderline poor sports. Take a look at Silva. He's always causing shit outside of the ring and he intends on crippling people with his heel stomp and soccer kicks.

In MMA, the rules get strictly enforced. If you don't fight by the rules, you lose. I don't think Tyson can do it, he'll just be DQ.
Wes Simms = DQ for stomping Frank Mir holding onto the side of the cage (UFC)
Bob Sapp = DQ for punching Remy Bonjansky while he was down (K1)

Heel stomps and soccer kicks are permitted in Pride. Mirko Filpovic "Cro-Cop" has got to be the biggest sportsman in Pride and he uses both. The only stuff outside the ring involving Silva is was started by Quinton Jackson.

 

[wildchilds]

Anybody catch it?
Missed the beginning so I don't know what the fighters' backgrounds are or where they are located originally.

Some thoughts:

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I caught the show, was kinda kewl, the guys worked out and then were picked into teams..was really sad the guy who wanted to quit after the first work outs was a Canadian, he got picked on big time by the house "bully" who peed on the Canucks bed, a few of the guys look like they have potential

 

[Manji]

In MMA, the rules get strictly enforced. If you don't fight by the rules, you lose. I don't think Tyson can do it, he'll just be DQ.
Wes Simms = DQ for stomping Frank Mir holding onto the side of the cage (UFC)
Bob Sapp = DQ for punching Remy Bonjansky while he was down (K1)

Heel stomps and soccer kicks are permitted in Pride. Mirko Filpovic "Cro-Cop" has got to be the biggest sportsman in Pride and he uses both. The only stuff outside the ring involving Silva is was started by Quinton Jackson.

Cro-cop is an "okay" guy and sort of arrogant (over confident depending on how you look at it). Sakuraba is a great sportsman and he loves to entertain the crowd so I love the guy even more...

The last Pride had Arona pulling an idiotic move. Tried to choke his opponent out (some Russian -forget his name right now) and kept on choking him after his opponent tapped.
For that, Jackson should powerbomb Arona agian but on concrete!!
A lot of those Brazlian fighters can be such arrogant dickheads!!!

As for Cro-cop; somebody just recently challenged him by stating that he wished to fight him.
Classic Cro-cop line: "He should be careful, sometimes wishes do come true!"

 

[Manji]

I caught the show, was kinda kewl, the guys worked out and then were picked into teams..was really sad the guy who wanted to quit after the first work outs was a Canadian, he got picked on big time by the house "bully" who peed on the Canucks bed, a few of the guys look like they have potential

That guy was Canadian...
Way not to represent...
Where did they find this guy?
You should know that if you are entering a Mixed Martial Arts reality show that you should at least be conditioned.
Do some road work before you get to Vegas, for fuck sakes!!

Yeah, that bully guy is a fuck; hope he gets his ass kicked and then eliminated...

 

[l69norm]

Kimo may have a winning record but it would not be farfetched to call him a "has-been"....

Couture and Wanderlai....The UFC is very over-protective of their fighters...

....The Japanese love the entertainment apsect of fighting as well, and bringing in Tyson to Pride or K-1 would definitly be interesting/entertaining to say the least.

Call Kimo what you like, but Shamrock blew him away in under 2 minutes of the first round. I don't think Kimo is that bad, it's just that Shamrock was way better.

I think the calibre of fighter in Pride is higher than UFC. Couture is one of the few UFC fighters that could cut in Pride. Look at what happenned to Chuck Liddell vs. Quinton Jackson.

Wandelei was not looking very good against Mark Hunt, considering Hunt took the fight on 3 days notice.

Does any boxer stand a chance in MMA ? It seems like wrestlers have a good chance like Rulon Gardner.

 

[Keebler Elf]

I dont understand why Tyson doesnt get into UFC fighting.

One word: MONEY. There is none in the UFC, at least nowhere near the money Tyson can STILL make boxing.

For those who say Tyson would get his ass kicked, let's compare apples and apples shall we? How many UFC fighters could go toe-to-toe with Tyson (in his prime) in a boxing match. Not too many at all.

Give Tyson the proper training and he could make a very good UFC fighter. He has a low centre of gravity and is steady on his feet. Plus he's good at eating his opponents.

But the show has been pretty good so far. I just wish the Canadian guy wasn't such a pussy...

 

[Manji]

Call Kimo what you like, but Shamrock blew him away in under 2 minutes of the first round. I don't think Kimo is that bad, it's just that Shamrock was way better.

I think the calibre of fighter in Pride is higher than UFC. Couture is one of the few UFC fighters that could cut in Pride. Look at what happenned to Chuck Liddell vs. Quinton Jackson.

Wandelei was not looking very good against Mark Hunt, considering Hunt took the fight on 3 days notice.

Does any boxer stand a chance in MMA ? It seems like wrestlers have a good chance like Rulon Gardner.

Yeah, definitly the Pride Fighters are of a higer caliber than the UFC fighters. Cro-cop, Silva, Fedor, Nog, Saku... its a who's who of Mixed Martial Arts greats.

Not a big Wanderlai fan but in his defense he was fighting a guy who outweighed him by fifty pounds and can get hit by a Eighteen Wheeler and still keep on going.

Boxing or Wrestling (or any martial art for that matter) cannot stand alone in MMA... Somebody may be able to win one or two fights but eventually they will be exposed as a one-dimensional fighter by a more competent opponent.

Wrestlers do well (especially in the UFC) because of their strength, conditioning and thier ability to move positionally. Add some boxing or Muay Thai and some of them have become effective fighters such as Couture and Quinton Jackson.