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I used the link because there tends to be a media blackout on this. Just like Biden's cognitive decline. But the videos speak for themselves. That last one from Hawaii especially. Let alone several other weird salad statements.

It happens. The pressure gets to people. And it's a problem that can be resolved. But I'm quite sure, after years of serving functioning alcoholics, that she is one.
Let's face it...as far as Kamala's road to the presidency, it's a bunch of factors not just being a functioning alcoholic...She didn't have a good track record, she was gonna continue the Biden policiy (horrible policy), denied Biden was senile, wouldn't have interview without making sure they can edit it, Anyone who listens to her know she's a weak politician... I'm glad she lost...had they ran a primary I wouldn't be upset if the democrats won.
 
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I used the link because there tends to be a media blackout on this. Just like Biden's cognitive decline. But the videos speak for themselves. That last one from Hawaii especially. Let alone several other weird salad statements.

It happens. The pressure gets to people. And it's a problem that can be resolved. But I'm quite sure, after years of serving functioning alcoholics, that she is one.
tHe mEiA is nOt CoVeRiNg tHiS!?!?! That's also the lamest excuse to pass bullshit stories along. Oh, the New York Times won't touch this, so I need to go to a media outlet known to publish bullshit to show that I'm right! If this was an actual thing, and as widely known as you claim, why wouldn't Fox News or the New York Post publish something about it?

I mean, seriously. That's your smoking gun. The Times of India...
 

silentkisser

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She wanted him to go to her, to a staged set, with other conditions. I think he would have given her a fair shake. He did with Bernie Sanders.

It was a missed opportunity imo. If she had gone after, sober, done three hours and did well, it would have helped.

Her larger issue however was the Biden baggage, stuck with his campaign team, the Party refusal to allow her to set her own course, and her own competence in question.
I will agree, I think she should've taken the opportunity to go on Joe Rogan and other podcasts. As for her "sobriety" bullshit, I think you should maybe stop. I mean, there are many allegations that Trump is addicted to adderal and has lost control of his bowels. That sounds a lot worse....
 

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I will agree, I think she should've taken the opportunity to go on Joe Rogan and other podcasts. As for her "sobriety" bullshit, I think you should maybe stop. I mean, there are many allegations that Trump is addicted to adderal and has lost control of his bowels. That sounds a lot worse....
I'm sure Trump has numerous health issues. Likely diabetic, heart issues. Obesity related. I can see the Adderall thing as well.

I will stand by my assertion. I think at some point it will get leaked she entered rehab in the future.
 

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I'm sure Trump has numerous health issues. Likely diabetic, heart issues. Obesity related. I can see the Adderall thing as well.

I will stand by my assertion. I think at some point it will get leaked she entered rehab in the future.
If she is an alcoholic, I hope she gets treatment. However, I doubt the veracity of the allegations, mostly because they don't come from legit media and it was spread maliciously by the GOP.
 

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I will agree, I think she should've taken the opportunity to go on Joe Rogan and other podcasts. As for her "sobriety" bullshit, I think you should maybe stop. I mean, there are many allegations that Trump is addicted to adderal and has lost control of his bowels. That sounds a lot worse....
I have no idea why butler thinks one podcast would have won her the election.
Not backing genocide would have done it, but a podcast?

 

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My understanding is they declined an invitation. I think they were prioritizing battleground states at the time, and didn't want to give Rogan three hours.
There has been some debate about that.
They did seem to push back on the time commitment.
But after the election reports came out that they did try to accommodate Rogan only for him to say he was taking a personal day.
That day them turned out to be Rogan making time for Trump instead.
There has been push back on those reports as well.

We may never get the whole story.
But it does seem that "they ignored it" is overly simplistic.

That it was probably a big enough deal that they should have made more effort does seem very plausible. So you could say they ignored (or were ignorant of) how big a deal it was.

Now, do I think she would be scared to talk to anyone? Nope. But, at the same time, I can see how they might feel like the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Rogan pretended to be undecided, but he surely leaned to MAGA. Would it have been a fair interview? I mean, sure, Trump went on a bunch of shows, but did he face a really partisan leftist panel that would have grilled him about his actual record or called out his lies? Hell, the mainstream media doesn't really do that for the most part, though on the occasions when they did, Trump cried like a little bitch..
The real question is back then when Rogan was pretty strongly pro-Trump, how much would that have made it not worth while?
I really don't know. It's hard to be sure how Rogan would lean in that and it is hard to be sure how his audience would take it.
The after math and post-interview spin is also tricky to guess.

To me, it sounds like they thought it would be good to do, but weren't going to prioritize it above all other things.
People can say that was a mistake, but it is different from her "ducking it" or "ignoring it".
 
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Valcazar

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LOL

Times of India is not a really respected media outlet. The issue here is that this appears to be a smear job started just over a year ago and being spread by GOP politicians and allies. Now, I'm not going to say that there is a zero chance she could have a drinking problem, but for a side that calls any negative news about Trump a "hoax," I don't really take their allegations seriously.
Doesn't matter if it is a respected outlet.
It says something Butler believes.
Therefore it is true.

That's just how reality works.

(If you want to make your own assessment, this is the video the Times of India is referencing in their article.
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But like I was saying, drinking problems is a line of attack that goes back at least until 2020.


The recent "high-functioning alcoholic" seems to have been started in August 2024 by people associated with the Trump campaign back when she was leading in the polls.

 

silentkisser

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I have no idea why butler thinks one podcast would have won her the election.
Not backing genocide would have done it, but a podcast?

Going on Rogan probably wouldn't have changed much. But it would possibly have given her access to a demographic that her other appearances seemed to have missed. The challenge though is defending Biden and some of his policies (which, to be honest, I think were mostly good), and try to discredit Trump's ideas (which so far have been proven to be costly to the average American). BUT...would Rogan allow that? Would his audience (which does not seem to be the sharpest tools in the shed) believe her, or still blindly vote for Trump?
 
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Going on Rogan probably wouldn't have changed much. But it would possibly have given her access to a demographic that her other appearances seemed to have missed. The challenge though is defending Biden and some of his policies (which, to be honest, I think were mostly good), and try to discredit Trump's ideas (which so far have been proven to be costly to the average American). BUT...would Rogan allow that? Would his audience (which does not seem to be the sharpest tools in the shed) believe her, or still blindly vote for Trump?
But Harris had already lost the youth demographic, university and street protests against the genocide put the issue on the front burner. Her comments 'shut up, I'm talking' was the start of the end of her chance to win. Rogan would have hit the incel, right wing, pretend alpha male crowd but they were never going to vote for her anyways. Losing the youth vote was far more critical.
 

Valcazar

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Going on Rogan probably wouldn't have changed much. But it would possibly have given her access to a demographic that her other appearances seemed to have missed.

The challenge though is defending Biden and some of his policies (which, to be honest, I think were mostly good), and try to discredit Trump's ideas (which so far have been proven to be costly to the average American). BUT...would Rogan allow that? Would his audience (which does not seem to be the sharpest tools in the shed) believe her, or still blindly vote for Trump?

That's the thing, though.
How much would one appearance change that demographic's views?
That's a longer-term project.
 
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silentkisser

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That's the thing, though.
How much would one appearance change that demographic's views?
That's a longer-term project.
Very true. Trump's bullshit sounded better than Harris's truth. People were duped by the right-wing media-sphere to believe the US economy was underperforming and that prices weren't going down. And, as so many Trump voters have found out....The lies are costing them their businesses and financial security.
 
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