How many rights and freedoms do they have in Christian Zimbabwe?Meanwhile, violence against Muslims continues in Iraq.
Here is a quote from an imman: "Muslims have more rights and freedom in Canada than they do in any Islamic country."
You are not seriously trying to suggest that as a general rule non-Muslims enjoy the same religious rights and freedoms in Muslim countries as Muslims enjoy in non-Musulin countries are you?How many rights and freedoms do they have in Christian Zimbabwe?
By the way, the world's most populous Muslim country is a democracy and generally regarded as a free country by, say, the US based Freedom House. Canada is right up there at the top--quite a standard to hold up, but there are a few Muslim countries that are quite free.
I'm saying it depends on the country. Non Muslims enjoy considerable rights and freedoms in Indonesia, Malaysia, and Turkey. Indonesia in particular is rated highly by Freedom House, for example, and as the most populous Muslim country that should count for something.You are not seriously trying to suggest that as a general rule non-Muslims enjoy the same religious rights and freedoms in Muslim countries as Muslims enjoy in non-Musulin countries are you?
Are you talking about Indonesia? If you are, I'll hit you with some facts about how "great" (sarcastic "great") life is for non-Muslims (or even Muslims) there.By the way, the world's most populous Muslim country is a democracy and generally regarded as a free country
Let's try statistics and objective ratings over anecdote.Are you talking about Indonesia? If you are, I'll hit you with some facts about how "great" (sarcastic "great") life is for non-Muslims (or even Muslims) there.
Do you purposefully try to be an asshole fuji or does it just come naturally?Not even close to being the #1 target? They are the #2 target. Unlike you I am capable of expressing my disgust at both anti-semitism and anti-Muslim bigotry. The anti-Muslim bigotry is on the rise, and it is generated by a bunch of hate-mongering fear-propaganda that is promoted in the media and in the popular culture. Statements like post #21 in this thread contribute to it, just as people like Groggy here post statements that contribute to the anti-semitism that is rampant.
Is it OK for me to be disgusted by both? Review my posting history. I don't think I'm going to be accused of going easy on the anti-semites.
Care to prove me wrong? How do you feel about the growing anti-Muslim bigotry in the United States and other Western countries?Do you purposefully try to be an asshole fuji or does it just come naturally?
The biggest threat to Muslims...is MuslimsAnother victim has died:
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/w...qi-woman-killed-in-california/article2380656/
In the Middle East that's true. In the United States the rising anti-Muslim bigotry has led to a surge in hate crimes against Muslims.The biggest threat to Muslims...is Muslims
You should analyze your hate crime statistics a little more closely, kratz. Muslims make up a little over half a percent of the US population--yet from your own statistic they were the victims of 13% of religiously motivated hate crimes. A little grade-school math says they are 22 times more likely than the average American to be a victim of a religious hate crime. For the record Jews make up a little over 2% of the US population and were the victims of 65% of the religious hate crimes, making them about 32 times more likely than average to be a victim of a religious hate crime.
Goldman Sachs in one case and suicide bombers in the other case.A better question is why are these two religious minorities being singled out for so much of the hate crime?
Indonesia's conversion to the Muslim version of democracy is very recent and has a long way to go before it is even remotely close to Western democracies. It wasn't that long ago when they were killing their Chinese civilians and stealing their businesses as well as killing people in East Timor and only stopped when the Aussies stepped in.Let's try statistics and objective ratings over anecdote.
You're right, it's unfair to compare developing nations to developed ones. So let's do an apples-to-apples compare and look only at developing nations, say only at nations with a GDP lower than about $22k per capita (i.e., less developed than Portugal).Indonesia's conversion to the Muslim version of democracy is very recent and has a long way to go before it is even remotely close to Western democracies.
Too Bad Fuji but I am not in error. The reality is this. Bring in 10,000 muslim immigrants at random and the risk of terrorism rises exponentially. Bring in 10,000 Bhuddists, Hindus etc, virtually no risk. That is just the way it is. The truth is not ignorance.Your error is lumping all Muslims together. It's adherents of a couple of particular sects that commit the violence. Most Muslims do not belong to denominations that commit violence. It's quite plausible that you weren't aware of that, but now you have a choice--you've been given that information, you can update your views to reflect it, or you can choose to be willfully ignorant.
Turkey is constitutionally secular and i believe that the constitutions of both Malaysia and Indonesia guarantee freedom of religion. Although all of those countries are predominantly Muslim they are not Muslim countries.I'm saying it depends on the country. Non Muslims enjoy considerable rights and freedoms in Indonesia, Malaysia, and Turkey. Indonesia in particular is rated highly by Freedom House, for example, and as the most populous Muslim country that should count for something.
Fine, but only if you agree that Canada, the United States, France, etc., cannot be counted as "non Muslim" countries by the same logic. Malaysia by the way is formally and officially a Muslim state, but does guarantee freedom of religion just as Israel does while being a Jewish state.Turkey is constitutionally secular and i believe that the constitutions of both Malaysia and Indonesia guarantee freedom of religion. Although all of those countries are predominantly Muslim they are not Muslim countries.
LOL. I have no idea what that means. Do you mean that if I do not agree then Canada, the US and France are Muslim countries.Fine, but only if you agree that Canada, the United States, France, etc., cannot be counted as "non Muslim" countries by the same logic. Malaysia by the way is formally and officially a Muslim state, but does guarantee freedom of religion just as Israel does while being a Jewish state.
I'm pointing out that there are problems with your way of defining "Muslim country". If a country is not a "Muslim country" unless its constitution says so, even though it is overwhelmingly Muslim populated, then presumably the same logic means a country cannot be a "non Muslim" country unless its constitution says it is non Muslim. Canada, the US, Indonesia, Turkey, Malaysia, and Israel would all be examples of countries that are neither Muslim nor non-Muslim by your way of defining things. We would have three categories of countries by your logic: Muslim, non-Muslim, and secular.LOL. I have no idea what that means. Do you mean that if I do not agree then Canada, the US and France are Muslim countries.
I believe that freedom of religion is constitutionally guaranteed in Malaysia.
