This law will live or die in the courts. Changing governments will accomplish nothing unless there's another Picton. And who wants that? I was in high school when Peterson promised to put beer in the corner stores. Waiting for politicos to do something is a fool's errand.
What are your plans when C36 finally kicks in ?
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Why not? Conviction after conviction, at little expense, fighting antisocial and disgusting activity, solving social ills while punishing rapist men. Pure progress
I'm curious, with a commet like that, what exactly are you doing on this board. RAPIST excuse me but I'm confused !!
Sorry should've put quotation marks around the offensive words. However, this is a valid sentiment from the Minister's Of Justice office as well as from many parts of feminist spectrum. It's open season on men using sps' services.
Well there you go, Feminists! Three quarters of them are just stupid or ugly. Read up on it, its a fact.
And might I add that many of them are gay, and just hate men to begin with.
The true classification is ''hybrid'' or ''dual'' offense. This is the case for a few crimes already such as drunk driving. My understanding is that when police arrest you it is treated like an indictable (you are fingerprinted). Then when it goes to court the crown decide if they want to go summary or indiction.
With a federal election looming and many issues such as Canada's economy, perpetual Middle East conflict, the Ebola issue, bill C36 will be way down on the list of federal priorities. However, by this time next year somewhere, someone in Canada will have been charged and convicted. The Feds have enough police chiefs across Canada onside to do a sting and give it immediate national attention. Probably this will not occur in liberal Toronto just yet, but places like Ottawa, Edmonton and York Region will be immediately ready to enforce C-36 and give Harper a show piece going into the election to placate the Reform base.
MacKay and his merry band of useful idiots are not the one enforcing the law and placing charges. This law is a slap in the face at the justice system after the supreme court decision. I don't expect the judges will make any effort to please this government that holds them in contempt. And apart from their ideologist base there is little public support for that bill. Polls show it's really not a priority for citizens who have many other things to worry about.
For those who compare with enforcement in Sweden:
-The Swedish governemnt invested massive amounts of money in enforcement of their law. Here it is not the case.
-Canada is a much bigger country and the federal government has no say on how each province applies the law.
-My understanding of the Swedish legal mentality is that they favor law and order above individual liberties. It is easier there to breach people's freedom and to discriminate in order to achieve their goal of abolition. Plus they do not have a Bedford decision to contend with.
Im very similar. I have kind of flip flopped on this since the law was announced (at first I really was thinking on giving it up entirely, saving $$ etc). I think my current plan is no escorts for 6 months or so to see what happens. Then stick to agency girls, assuming this has been deemed "safe." Never backpage again, although it can be SO FUN to play roulette with the backpages lol.
Sticking to a few escorts doesnt appeal to me. For me the whole fun is variety, not more repeat sexual partners, which is why I rarely see the same girl more than 3x now.
THIS ....should be a pinned post!! I have expressed these points before. YOU have expressed succinctly & I believe is to the point TRUE!!! :thumb:
Nice nutshell. Harper's base wanted the old laws—or more precisely, didn't want to be troubled by change—and got 'em. To make it look like the government had done something worthy, customers were newly defined as criminals according to the latest fashion in social control, but otherwise nothing changed. Prostitution is still not a crime, but everything that makes it do-abe is.
So the local police can do just as they did before, ignoring the discreet trouble-free spots, and punishing those who they dislike for being too obvious and generating complaints from the Grundies. But now they have another club on their belts.
Ultimately the still-legal proprietors and providers will be able to raise exactly the same arguments as before, and presumably will get a similar result as in Bedford: If the business is not illegal, the Criminal Code cannot be used to surround it with laws that clearly and demonstrably make it dangerous and impossible. Make it illegal or remove the dangerous laws.
But by then Harper himself will be long-gone, collecting fat director's fees from those his cynical, greedy and selfish policies have enriched at the expense of the country as a whole and of our sense of shared purpose in our nationhood, which will be more costly by far.
the bill is modeled after the "nordic model" and this is what has happened in Sweden
Since the introduction of the law, street prostitution has decreased and Sweden has become an undesirable destination for
pimps and traffickers
male sex buyers decreased from 13.6% to 7.9%
but
Nordic researchers have attributed the decline that occurred in the early 2000s not to the ban but to the increasing availability of cell phones and internet that saw similar declines in cities all over Europe and North America.9
The news comes following the Sydsvenskan newspaper's probe into illegal prostitution among the Thai massage parlours in Malmö, Sweden's third largest city. Local police receive "several tip-offs a week" but do not prioritize the matter, they told the paper.
Of the 25 parlours in the survey in Malmö, Sweden's third largest city five offered a "happy ending". There are around 50 parlours in the city.
On Wednesday, one Thai worker spoke out about her frustration at being constantly asked about sex by the customers.
"I am so angry when people ask me about 'happy ending'. I work hard and I'm proud of my profession," Pornpinum Meejaii said.
On different online forums, customers share information about the best places in the city, with one stating that a 30-minute massage with a happy ending set him back 700 kronor ($107).
“Most of the sex trade is currently conducted via the internet. None of the inspecting authorities have a complete picture of the scope ”
2014 Swedish Police Report
Number of websites selling sexual services primarily in the Stockholm area: 2994
Number of government agencies who assessed the law and found no evidence that prostitution had gone down over-all but evidence it had become more “hidden”
2014 report that clients have moved from in-call servicesto out-call services to evade police detection (thus moving sex workers to unknown and less-safe environments)
Change in % of street sex workers who are migrant 1993: UP 30% (now 50%)
Number of government evaluations of the law that found that
violence against sex workers increased
Percentage of sex workers who say the law makes it harder for them to get help: 50%
Number of ministry of justice and police report to find the law to be an
obstacle to prosecuting traffickers or “coercive pimps”?
“We also hear of and witness other, more advanced sexual services, which means that you may soon wonder if we have a brothel on every or every other street corner,” said Ewa Carlenfors, head of the section against trafficking at Stockholm police,.
“But it is very difficult for us to prove in court the customers on whom a sexual act was performed.”
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?799-Malmo&
Since the introduction of the law, street prostitution has decreased and Sweden has become an undesirable destination for
pimps and traffickers
male sex buyers decreased from 13.6% to 7.9%
but
Nordic researchers have attributed the decline that occurred in the early 2000s not to the ban but to the increasing availability of cell phones and internet that saw similar declines in cities all over Europe and North America.9
The news comes following the Sydsvenskan newspaper's probe into illegal prostitution among the Thai massage parlours in Malmö, Sweden's third largest city. Local police receive "several tip-offs a week" but do not prioritize the matter, they told the paper.
Of the 25 parlours in the survey in Malmö, Sweden's third largest city five offered a "happy ending". There are around 50 parlours in the city.
On Wednesday, one Thai worker spoke out about her frustration at being constantly asked about sex by the customers.
"I am so angry when people ask me about 'happy ending'. I work hard and I'm proud of my profession," Pornpinum Meejaii said.
On different online forums, customers share information about the best places in the city, with one stating that a 30-minute massage with a happy ending set him back 700 kronor ($107).
“Most of the sex trade is currently conducted via the internet. None of the inspecting authorities have a complete picture of the scope ”
2014 Swedish Police Report
Number of websites selling sexual services primarily in the Stockholm area: 2994
Number of government agencies who assessed the law and found no evidence that prostitution had gone down over-all but evidence it had become more “hidden”
2014 report that clients have moved from in-call servicesto out-call services to evade police detection (thus moving sex workers to unknown and less-safe environments)
Change in % of street sex workers who are migrant 1993: UP 30% (now 50%)
Number of government evaluations of the law that found that
violence against sex workers increased
Percentage of sex workers who say the law makes it harder for them to get help: 50%
Number of ministry of justice and police report to find the law to be an
obstacle to prosecuting traffickers or “coercive pimps”?
“We also hear of and witness other, more advanced sexual services, which means that you may soon wonder if we have a brothel on every or every other street corner,” said Ewa Carlenfors, head of the section against trafficking at Stockholm police,.
“But it is very difficult for us to prove in court the customers on whom a sexual act was performed.”
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?799-Malmo&
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I will leave Canada. Not only because of c36 and not to a jurisdiction with better laws. But it does remove one reason to stay. I can earn more money elsewhere and the benefits of turning that down to stay in Toronto are declining.
Being able to live my life without being considered a criminal was a big plus.
Being able to live my life without being considered a criminal was a big plus.
I will keep a low profile probably for about 6 month or so.
May be will see one indy whom I trust, and will make an outcall arrangement for that.
Wait and see, wait and see...
May be will see one indy whom I trust, and will make an outcall arrangement for that.
Wait and see, wait and see...
Oh not to worry, he didn't say he was leaving TERB.... he's got the biggest rep to uphold around here since Blackrock met his maker. He needs us to support him in his illusions of grandeur.you're breakin hearts all over terb I'm sure
I don't really get why he's so worried about being considered a criminal - aren't criminals cool? Doesn't the word "criminal" define the very essence of "bad boy?" Women LOVE criminals! Right?
Really though, I guess this just shows that despite all his big talk about his big life, he's really just a frightened fellow who doesn't want to get into trouble...
This statistic does not represent reality as explained here:
http://gup.ub.gu.se/records/fulltext/140671.pdf
