What do you think will be the future of dating and relationships in the West(US/CA/UK?

[scouser1]

I had to put in my 2 cents into this discussion, I have spent the past 6 years working and traveling around the world mostly in Latin America ( Mexico, Colombia, Brazil) and I have been back for about a year now. A bit of background, mid 40's and never married, let me tell you I have absolutely zero intentions of getting into a relationship/marrying a North American woman, generally speaking the culture of selfishness, the insane expectations (there are women on Tinder in Toronto posting links to their Amazon wishlists and having a "birthday month" are really something. Now we can sit and blame radical feminists all we want, but some of that blame has to fall on us men, there are thirsty men out there giving into these expectations just for some attention from women. Instead of working on to improve themselves, physically, mentally and financially, they spend their time throwing out money just for a tiny bit of recognition from women.

Now I think MGOTW is just plain dumb, but the flip side PUA has really ruined things, over complicating things between men and women (oh if you say this and touch her on the shoulder, dont text her back for this many days etc etc) So in summary once all of this pandemic insanity is over my plan is to spend at least a month every year in Colombia (my country of choice, beautiful women, great culture, friendly people and superb weather) eventually being able to afford to retire there permanently.

 

[angrymime666]

I love how the problem is western women and men have had nothing to do with it.

You talk about women in heels and yet at the same time about men here talk about how women should pay their own way at dinner, open their own doors, etc.

TERB is full of men who think women should do more. Work and take care of the house and kids all while wearing heels apparently. oh and are still suppose to fuck them every night or they are prudes, or dried up, so they go find 20 year old escorts.

Can some tell me what men bring to the table if a woman is doing all that?

its a preference that men are attracted to certain women and not all women. okcupid through their own study found that men swipe right for 50% of women, women only 20% . women and men have different preferences. it has nothing to do with a problem but life choices and biology. its is what it is. women are going to live their life as they choose and as men we are attracted to what we are attracted to. the fact that some men are not attracted to a certain group of women(insert whatever preference a man has for women)is not something we can change, just like a woman preference for certain groups of men(insert whatever preference a woman has for men).


I like women in heels. whats the problem? women want me to fix their house. is that a problem? women shouldnt have to pay for their own meals and open doors? why shouldnt they?

I cant speak for every man but its a range of different views and opinions. yes some men would be highly attracted to that(Im not since kids are part of the scenario. this is also a preference of mine. no kids). sure there are lots of reasons and things men would like women to do. Im a huge fan of a woman who can cook better than I. they are also huge fans of me being able to tile their back splash. women have desires from men, why shouldnt men have desires of women?

if a man is doing all that what do women bring to the table?

 

[Jasmina]

The problem here isn't about preference, it is about dehumanizing those who don't fit your preference. You can say, "I find women in heels attractive" without saying, 'Women who don't wear heels aren't real women". See the difference?

Some of you guys give me serious pause sometimes.

The very fact that you think that there is a large pool of superior ultra femine women somewhere over the rainbow as opposed to Canada is concerning. Here's a thought. What about all the men who also live over the rainbow? On the planet, there are roughly the same number of men as women. Roughly speaking. Sure, there's probably way more men in Fort McMurray or Labradorite City, but on the whole.....

So you move to Prague or Thilailand, or some other place with so many ultra feminine women who know how to wear high heels or whatever. Did it ever occur to you that Prague is full of men from Prague? Statistically speaking, your odds of finding a mate are numerically the same no matter where you are and are most likely based on what you bring to the table. To quote Dr. Gregory House, "3's don't date 9's"

You get what you give.

And same goes to all the women folk out there who think that they're entitled to have it all. That a John F Kennedy Jr type is just out there somewhere searching for them, well, maybe you need a reality check that there are plenty of good men available and you need to consider settling for Mr. Good Enough as opposed to Mr. Perfect.

its a preference that men are attracted to certain women and not all women. okcupid through their own study found that men swipe right for 50% of women, women only 20% . women and men have different preferences. it has nothing to do with a problem but life choices and biology. its is what it is. women are going to live their life as they choose and as men we are attracted to what we are attracted to. the fact that some men are not attracted to a certain group of women(insert whatever preference a man has for women)is not something we can change, just like a woman preference for certain groups of men(insert whatever preference a woman has for men).


I like women in heels. whats the problem? women want me to fix their house. is that a problem? women shouldnt have to pay for their own meals and open doors? why shouldnt they?

I cant speak for every man but its a range of different views and opinions. yes some men would be highly attracted to that(Im not since kids are part of the scenario. this is also a preference of mine. no kids). sure there are lots of reasons and things men would like women to do. Im a huge fan of a woman who can cook better than I. they are also huge fans of me being able to tile their back splash. women have desires from men, why shouldnt men have desires of women?

if a man is doing all that what do women bring to the table?

 

[angrymime666]

Some of you guys give me serious pause sometimes.

The very fact that you think that there is a large pool of superior ultra femine women somewhere over the rainbow as opposed to Canada is concerning. Here's a thought. What about all the men who also live over the rainbow? On the planet, there are roughly the same number of men as women. Roughly speaking. Sure, there's probably way more men in Fort McMurray or Labradorite City, but on the whole.....

So you move to Prague or Thilailand, or some other place with so many ultra feminine women who know how to wear high heels or whatever. Did it ever occur to you that Prague is full of men from Prague? Statistically speaking, your odds of finding a mate are numerically the same no matter where you are and are most likely based on what you bring to the table. To quote Dr. Gregory House, "3's don't date 9's"

You get what you give.

And same goes to all the women folk out there who think that they're entitled to have it all. That a John F Kennedy Jr type is just out there somewhere searching for them, well, maybe you need a reality check that there are plenty of good men available and you need to consider settling for Mr. Good Enough as opposed to Mr. Perfect.

its not that they are superior, its just different. its not that one is better than the other, its what we find attractive.

sexual market place values are different for other countries so it really depends on a lot of factors. other countries women have different preference as well. if you are a western guy chances are your market value goes up even if you are a 3 just because you are not from the same country. add a well maintained body, muscular, financially secure, ability to speak the language, intelligent, etc it can crawl up there.

3 definitely dont date 9 but its surprising what money can buy these days.

women want what they want. its the same for 3 women wanting to get a 9 man. its easier for women to get men since men want vagina and have a larger preference range of attraction(swipe right on 50% on pictures). yes a 3 women can get laid but would a nine really stay around for that 3(pump and dump)? I dont think so when he has options for nine.

it is what it is. theres a lot to be said about the way that relationship use to be when each sex needed each other. independence is a wonderful thing but it also has its own consequences.

 

[angrymime666]

The problem here isn't about preference, it is about dehumanizing those who don't fit your preference. You can say, "I find women in heels attractive" without saying, 'Women who don't wear heels aren't real women". See the difference?

how is it dehumanizing the fact Im not attracted to someone and I never said women who dont wear heels arent real?

are you dehumanizing the customers you do not not see by saying no?

 

[Jasmina]

You clearly did not read my post, or the rest of the thread.

how is it dehumanizing the fact Im not attracted to someone and I never said women who dont wear heels arent real?

are you dehumanizing the customers you do not not see by saying no?

 

[Fun For All]

Call me old fashioned but...I still think a date should start with a polite ask and acceptance, a decent meal with some getting to know you conversation, on to a movie/concert/game of some kind followed by a couple of drinks after...and ending with her bending your fingers backwards when you make a grab for her boob...

 

[TeeJay]

Some of you guys give me serious pause sometimes.

So you move to Prague or Thilailand, or some other place with so many ultra feminine women who know how to wear high heels or whatever. Did it ever occur to you that Prague is full of men from Prague? Statistically speaking, your odds of finding a mate are numerically the same no matter where you are and are most likely based on what you bring to the table. To quote Dr. Gregory House, "3's don't date 9's"

Although I do laugh at the notion any Country A has better quality women than Country B there are diffs in where you go


Case in point
Hamilton female is far more likely to be some weird alt type with tattoo / piercings etc who want a date at a bar
Go a bit more north country side and you meet many women who are more outdoors recreational types, most of them (male + female) in far better shape than those in the city. Out in Milton area its pretty common to see fit females who bike all the time (and these aren't all farmers lol)
Head east to Brampton and majority are Indian or Black
South from there to Mississauga and meet Chinese
Further east into Toronto Vietnamese
Northeast to Vaughan gets you Italian

There certainly is a grouping of people who have same societal norms, cultures, and often race


Even across Canada; there is a HUGE diff in a girl who lives in a downtown Toronto condo vs a girl who lives in a Montreal condo loft downtown



Having said that; half the idiots who go overseas think the women there are in love with them, when in reality that love only lasts as long as the paycheck
You worry about the "local men" but since they make half the money you do, they are nowhere near as attractive
If you are ok buying a wife and supporting her family there are lots of 18 year olds who will stay with you until they get citizenship, just be sure to sign a pre-nup or you are fucked

Most of those relationships are built on wealth disparity not love

 

[lessjamie7]

I love how the problem is western women and men have had nothing to do with it.

You talk about women in heels and yet at the same time about men here talk about how women should pay their own way at dinner, open their own doors, etc.

TERB is full of men who think women should do more. Work and take care of the house and kids all while wearing heels apparently. oh and are still suppose to fuck them every night or they are prudes, or dried up, so they go find 20 year old escorts.

Can some tell me what men bring to the table if a woman is doing all that?

Can some tell me what men bring to the table if a woman is doing all that?

The answer is ? ,,, ME ,,, muthafukah



LJ

 

[lessjamie7]

Call me old fashioned but...I still think a date should start with a polite ask and acceptance, a decent meal with some getting to know you conversation, on to a movie/concert/game of some kind followed by a couple of drinks after...and ending with her bending your fingers backwards when you make a grab for her boob...

Hmm yes me too, actually I would dare to take things one step further and just stay home and masturbate to the plus sized womens bra section of the Sears catalogue.mmmmm..mummy

Good times

LJ

 

[Robert Mugabe]

. they are also huge fans of me being able to tile their back splash.

Women are huge fans of me being able to backsplash their tiles.

 

[Jenesis]

if a man is doing all that what do women bring to the table?

Birthing children so that men carry on their name through their sons.

PS - I tiled my own backsplash. Tiled the tub surround too. I fix my plumbing as well. Even posted a thread about changing out the shit pipe from the trailer if you care to find it.

 

[Fun For All]

Hmm yes me too, actually I would dare to take things one step further and just stay home and masturbate to the plus sized womens bra section of the Sears catalogue.mmmmm..mummy

Good times

LJ

You don’t have to do that anymore since we got this internet thing up and running....

 

[Dcoat]

Read some Margaret Atwood maybe?

Read Atwood? Why?

I've already had my yearly enigma.

 

[Dcoat]

Women do not exists soley to be "attractive" to men.

You are the reason feminists exist.

You miss the point altogether.

He's not saying women need to up their game so men can have at them. He's saying if women up their game , both men AND women will benefit.

Sheesh, is it that hard to understand that when 1 side wins, both sides loose?

 

[Dcoat]

Birthing children so that men carry on their name through their sons.

PS - I tiled my own backsplash. Tiled the tub surround too. I fix my plumbing as well. Even posted a thread about changing out the shit pipe from the trailer if you care to find it.

You make many good points.

Eastern women were what the OP was pointing to.

Eastern women wouldn't say what you said at all.

They have never stopped tiling, plumbing, trash collecting, and running the office. It's their assumed lifestyle. On top of which, they wear the heals, make the tomato sauce and, yup, even there they carry the babies.

So what do women need men for you ask?

Ah, it's still men who go to battle, dig in the mines, build the cities, and sire those babies.

And at the end their day, the men still put the kids to bed and worry about what will happen to their family if they don't make it home the next day because they've died in their workplace.

This isn't meant to disparage you, you deserve recognition for the things you've done on your own. So congratulations (although you probably don't even need to hear that).

It's just not something the vast majority of western women would even contemplate let alone do or acknowledge having done.

 

[Dcoat]

Some of you guys give me serious pause sometimes.
...........
To quote Dr. Gregory House, "3's don't date 9's"

Well, actually 3's do date 9's. It's almost always the guys that are the 9's and the women who are the 3's.

Women regularly date up, men regularly date down. There are good reasons for that too.

 

[Jasmina]

Have you spent 8 hours 5 days a week in heels? What's the point? There is no benefit other than being eye candy. But there is a ton of detrimental health affects for women.

You miss the point altogether.

He's not saying women need to up their game so men can have at them. He's saying if women up their game , both men AND women will benefit.

Sheesh, is it that hard to understand that when 1 side wins, both sides loose?

 

[Dcoat]

Have you spent 8 hours 5 days a week in heels? What's the point? There is no benefit other than being eye candy. But there is a ton of detrimental health affects for women.

No I haven't spent 8 hours any day, or even 5 mins anytime in heels.

Eye candy is kinda what SP's here strive for, at least in part, isn't it? You make a living based on how good that look goes for. If you decide to use heels or wear less fabric. Your option really.

On the other hand, how many hours a day do you go to work in the mines, fishing boats or the battle field. Those workplaces don't have risk averse options. They are pretty well all male dominated if not 100% male only, and have significant health (really life or death) consequences.

So you might think a bit about saying women are the only group who is objectified for your physicality. It's true wearing heels (and more importantly carrying babies) can cause health issues like long term back pain, but don't dream of crossing to the other side of that fence, it isn't even quite as pretty there.

 

[ultraviolet]

What's she growing? old dried up shriveled vegetables?

Flowers. I read the original Handmaid's Tale novel a long long time ago and enjoyed it a lot. I just happen to think that Gilead is a fictional place and she doesn't.