Who dresses their little girls like this?
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Do you wear jeans? T-shirts? Baseball caps?Eli said:Shake. I'm near mid 30's why?
As quick as we are to yelp that "kids are dressing like adults", we fail to point out that almost everyone under the age of 50 dresses like teenagers used to. Also, how can we all pray to the God of Consumerism, and then be shocked that kids absorb the same "buy buy buy" & "you are what you wear" messages that we do?
More to the point, older generations have been decrying the fashion of their children for generations. This is hardly something new. Relax, the kids are alright.
(And, no, I do not support the hyper-sexualization of young people, and I believe that companies that market a sexualized look to "Tweens" are abhorrent.)
Maybe we all should just throw up our hands and abandon ourselves to our own private giggedy-giggedy-giggedy re 11/12/13-year-old cuties; as long as we don't "act out" or look too obvious, we're safe. And the deep pangs of moral guilt are worth it, under the circumstances...
If you are mortified of disciplining your kids, then you should not be having them.... CAS is the least of your worries when you have a child...MrLuvr said:Try disciplining a 4 year old or a 9 year old.
All they have to do is say to somebody that my parents did something bad to me.
And the children's aid society will be on you like you wouldn't believe.
They will take your kid away and prosecute you.
That is why parents today are mortified of disciplining their kids.
You bring up a good point... In an ideal world, a grown man would not act on a sexual impulse for an underaged girl... We DO NOT live in an ideal world. The fact is that many men are turned on by young girls... Currently our laws dictate an age of consent etc... 18 is considered legal, but what does that mean??rama putri said:I have this feeling that YOU are turned on by their dress, so to fix YOUR problem, you blame the young girls. Boring blame the victim syndrome. Many pedophiles express the same logic.
My answer is that yes, I am turned on when I see a beautiful girl dressed sexy/provocatively. We are hard-wired that way and we are easily stimulated.... however, when you get a closer look and realize that the girl is only 14 years old, most well adjusted men would back off.... however, not all men are capable of doing that.... Some become more aroused if the girl is underaged... This is where theory meets reality... I would not want my daughter to be at risk...
As a teenager, I noticed that the girls who were dressed provacatively were viewed in a different manner than the girls that did not dress provacatively
The results can be quite devastating...
My question is who's taste should they dress to?? Should they be allowed to drink liquor, smoke weed, pierce every part of their body, etc... Where do you draw the line???rama putri said:So if children don't dress to YOUR tastes, they are crass and uncultivated?
Discipline and dress codes are only in the domain of the military dude. Lighten up.
Whether you agree with it or not... the way we dress sends a strong message
to people that we meet. I would prefer that the message that my child send be a positive one...
THEIR tastes, with consent of THEIR parents, not YOUR tastes. In the end THEIR choice decides THEIR fate. You guys don't get it.slowandeasy said:My question is who's taste should they dress to??
Oh boy, here we go with the slippery slope argument...I don't know how to address this but with an analogy. Let's look at what we do here - we pay for sex. Period, regardless of our excuses why we do this. To many, this activity is seen in the same light you guys see the way these girls dress. Are we all bad people because of it? Are we less skilled? Are we ruining our futures? Are we corrupting society? And what about the women we've seen? Whether they dress classy or not, do we think less of them? Etc...Now do you get the idea.Should they be allowed to drink liquor, smoke weed, pierce every part of their body, etc... Where do you draw the line???
Explaining things on TERB gives me a headache.
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This takes effort and, as I said before, the reason why parents don't discipline their children is because they are too lazy and/or busy, not because they are terrified of the CAS.[/QUOTE]
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I agree 100% - this is why also we have the problems with teen's being bully, doing drugs, etc...
This takes effort and, as I said before, the reason why parents don't discipline their children is because they are too lazy and/or busy, not because they are terrified of the CAS.[/QUOTE]
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I agree 100% - this is why also we have the problems with teen's being bully, doing drugs, etc...
Your condescending attitude aside, your points were well taken from your previous post.. this one just ignores the issues that I raised above...rama putri said:THEIR tastes, with consent of THEIR parents, not YOUR tastes. In the end THEIR choice decides THEIR fate. You guys don't get it.
Oh boy, here we go with the slippery slope argument...I don't know how to address this but with an analogy. Let's look at what we do here - we pay for sex. Period, regardless of our excuses why we do this. To many, this activity is seen in the same light you guys see the way these girls dress. Are we all bad people because of it? Are we less skilled? Are we ruining our futures? Are we corrupting society? And what about the women we've seen? Whether they dress classy or not, do we think less of them? Etc...Now do you get the idea.
Explaining things on TERB gives me a headache.
Originally, you did not say anything about THEIR PARENTS consent... leaving us to believe that you felt young girls should be able to dress and in essence do whatever they want to do regardless or anyone's opinion... that did not make sense to me..
Secondly, many here are chastizing the parents not the children for the way that they dress...
Thirdly, most teenagers do not listen to their parents anyways
Fourthly... and most importantly is the parents desire to protect the safety of their child trumps any childish desire to "express" themselves.....
Finally, if you are going to respond to a post, please do me the courtesy and read/reply to the complete message and do not choose one or two sentences
out of context....
one more.... re: the hobby... your analogy of what we do here is somewhat accurate except for a few things... 1) We are adults, and hopefully our socialization/maturity is at a higher stage than a 10 or 16 year old. So the issues are not the same. Did you forget about PEER PRESSURE???? Yes I know that it still happens in adulthood 2) A large majority of the general population, and I would say that many terbites do think less of the service providers in the sex industry..
Sorry that you have a headache.
This is exactly the kind of reaction a young teenager would love to see happening when wearing the provocative/cheeky stuff that they do and from hypocritical adults no less.
Personally, I think it is just a phase and that old people don't give young people enough credit for their superior intelligence and need to grow and constantly test societal limits in an attempt to develop their own identity. The young girls that dress as they do will soon enough get bored of being sexualized and slutified and try to gain real personal power/control/happiness through their skills and abilities and not the shock factor.
Personally, I think it is just a phase and that old people don't give young people enough credit for their superior intelligence and need to grow and constantly test societal limits in an attempt to develop their own identity. The young girls that dress as they do will soon enough get bored of being sexualized and slutified and try to gain real personal power/control/happiness through their skills and abilities and not the shock factor.
Ah, yes, the wonderful old chesnut that what a woman (or girl) wears somehow causes men to lose control and rape them. It's all her fault, she had it coming, yada yada yada.slowandeasy said:I would not want my daughter to be at risk...
How sad.
rama putri said:THEIR tastes, with consent of THEIR parents, not YOUR tastes. In the end THEIR choice decides THEIR fate. You guys don't get it.
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I don't think you get it , is there no limit in your opinion to how sluttily a 12 yr old girl can dress.
Like it or not if a 12 yr old is mature looking and dresses like a slut she will arouse some men. All your arguments can't change this.
With all the men and teenagers out there who are horny I wouldn't want my 11 or 12 or 13 yr old daughter dressing like a slut that just attracts the wrong attention. So according to you are there no limits then why not let your 12 yr old go topless ?
Give your head a SHAKE
The point that I was making is that there are many fucked up people out there, and their fucked up minds lead to them hurting people. The fact is that men are aroused by women in many different ways.... men tend to be more aroused by sexually suggestive prictures and clothing.. Based on those facts, As a parent, brother etc.. I would prefer to err on the side of caution.
How sad is that you are unable to read or comprehend a few simple words. The cause and effect (provocative/slutty clothing leads to rape and that it is the woman/girl's fault if she is raped) is not made in my thread....The Shake said:Ah, yes, the wonderful old chesnut that what a woman (or girl) wears somehow causes men to lose control and rape them. It's all her fault, she had it coming, yada yada yada.
How sad.
The point that I was making is that there are many fucked up people out there, and their fucked up minds lead to them hurting people. The fact is that men are aroused by women in many different ways.... men tend to be more aroused by sexually suggestive prictures and clothing.. Based on those facts, As a parent, brother etc.. I would prefer to err on the side of caution.
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solitaria said:Personally, I think it is just a phase and that old people don't give young people enough credit for their superior intelligence and need to grow and constantly test societal limits in an attempt to develop their own identity. The young girls that dress as they do will soon enough get bored of being sexualized and slutified and try to gain real personal power/control/happiness through their skills and abilities and not the shock factor.
Either that or they will end up walking the streets.
Superior intelligence right, just watch Maury Povich and all the ones who don't know who the real father is.
It was certainly implied...slowandeasy said:How sad is that you are unable to read or comprehend a few simple words. The cause and effect: provocative/slutty clothing leads to rape and that it is the woman/girl's fault is not made in my thread....
Once again, the tired insinuation that women are raped because of what they wear or how they act.The point that I was making is that there are many fucked up people out there, and their fucked up minds lead to them hurting people. The fact is that men are aroused by women in many different ways.... men tend to be more aroused by sexually suggestive prictures and clothing.. Based on those facts, As a parent, brother etc.. I would prefer to err on the side of caution.
Can you provide some data showing an increase of "stranger rapes" on tween/young teen girls based on how "slutty" that they happen to dress?
Didn't think so.
Yadda, yadda, yadda about us men. We know this.slowandeasy said:The point that I was making is that there are many fucked up people out there, and their fucked up minds lead to them hurting people. The fact is that men are aroused by women in many different ways.... men tend to be more aroused by sexually suggestive prictures and clothing.. Based on those facts, As a parent, brother etc.. I would prefer to err on the side of caution.
Look, you can force to dress your kids and siblings anyway you wish. Here's the thing, you can't do that to others. And although you can make opinions about others about the way they dress, my suggestion is that you shouldn't - it's called bias/discrimination/maybe even hate (especially hate if you rape them).
How's this. Why don't we just trust our girls. Great, we care about them. Are even 'concerned' enough about them to dress them the way WE want. Sure, whatever, I'll buy that. Better yet, why don't we never let them out? You know, 'till they're like 30 or something?
Again, past middle aged men who grew up in North America with a warped sense of morality and sensuality and who sees escorts critiquing a teenage girl's dress and the sensibility of their parents. Classic.
Roll call. Anyone here with a schoolgirl fetish? (In the role-playing sense, silly. Or, not so silly...)
How can you know what I was trying to imply... have you met me, are you my psychiatrist... it was never implied...The Shake said:It was certainly implied...
Once again, the tired insinuation that women are raped because of what they wear or how they act.
Can you provide some data showing an increase of "stranger rapes" on tween/young teen girls based on how "slutty" that they happen to dress?
Didn't think so.
Can you provide me with some data that there is no correlation between the two???? If you can, can you tell me the methodology that they used for that study??
What you need to do is start understanding the difference between theory and reality.... how people think and act... oops... that would be psychiatry and Tom Cruise says that it's a pseudo science (I wonder if tom and spell pseudo?)..
Dude... you have arrived... you are the enlightened being... sorry.. I could not resist the sarcasm... there is NO PERSON on this planet who does not discriminate or have a bias.... if you are capable of doing this then you have transcended above us normal people...rama putri said:Yadda, yadda, yadda about us men. We know this.
Look, you can force to dress your kids and siblings anyway you wish. Here's the thing, you can't do that to others. And although you can make opinions about others about the way they dress, my suggestion is that you shouldn't - it's called bias/discrimination/maybe even hate (especially hate if you rape them).
How's this. Why don't we just trust our girls. Great, we care about them. Are even 'concerned' enough about them to dress them the way WE want. Sure, whatever, I'll buy that. Better yet, why don't we never let them out? You know, 'till they're like 30 or something?
Again, past middle aged men who grew up in North America with a warped sense of morality and sensuality and who sees escorts critiquing a teenage girl's dress and the sensibility of their parents. Classic.
Even in your magnificence (is that a word?), you are flawed... you tell us we should not discriminate, but your quote from above is "past middle aged men who grew up in North America with a warped sense of morality and sensuality who sees escorts critiquing a teenage girl's dress and sensibility of their parents... classic".... what is your bias against middle aged men? why do we have a warped sense of moraily? is there something wrong in seeing escorts?
Your logic is a series of contradictions, or is my logic flawed.. you seem to be judging us who seem to be judging young girl's attire or their parents sensibility...
Then you take huge leaps in logic... "You can force your kids...." I did not mention forcing kids to do anything.... hopefully by the time mine reach this stage, I have done a good job raising them. they have earned my trust, and more importantly i would have earned their trust while still trying to guide them through life's obstacles, and making the tough decisions... At that point, I would hope to god that they do not need to act outrageously to get attention, but if they did, perhaps I would be able to deal with it when that time comes...
rama putri said:Yadda, yadda, yadda about us men. We know this.
Look, you can force to dress your kids and siblings anyway you wish. Here's the thing, you can't do that to others. And although you can make opinions about others about the way they dress, my suggestion is that you shouldn't - it's called bias/discrimination/maybe even hate (especially hate if you rape them).
How's this. Why don't we just trust our girls. Great, we care about them. Classic.
You are getting way off topic , sounds like you have been criticized for the way you dress which would not be fair . I still would like you just to stick to the topic , is it ok for a 12 yr old to dress anyway she please like exposing her breasts or her ass crack . I think not and it has nothing to do with not trusting them.
