And will the ICC discuss Fatah fighters firing rockets at Israeli civilians?
(and you know the Palestinians are overwhelmingly opposed to a one state solution)
Why are the Israel/Hamas casualties so lopsided?
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(and you know the Palestinians are overwhelmingly opposed to a one state solution)
Conclusion is: If you tease a wasps nest expect to get stung. SimpleCTV news:
So far in this senseless conflict 800 Palestinians have been killed most of them civilians and 35 Israelis have been killed killed most of them soldiers. Yesterday was the bloodiest in which 115 Palestinians were killed including more than a dozen women and children who were sheltering in a hospital.
So make your own conclusion.
I guess that theory is proved wrong by the facts:
Palestinian attacks by month in 2014:
January: 22 rockets 4 mortars
February: 9 rockets
March: 65 rockets, 1 mortars
April: 19 rockets, 5 mortars
May: 4 rockets, 3 mortars
June: 2 rockets fired before June 12
June 13 IDF Operation Brother's Keeper initiated
June: 51 rockets 1 mortar after Brother's keeper
Your "study" is pathetically biased and talks about who was the first to KILL. Most of those Palestinian rocket attacks did not kill anybody, Israel's response killed the person firing the rocket. To say that this means Israel fired first is just fucking hilariously pathetic propaganda.
So it's OK? If rockets were raining down on Toronto, and you and your family had to hide in bomb shelters all day long, with only a couple of people being killed here and there, you would think that was OK?
Jews should just put up with it, or die, or whatever? That's your idea?
In fact Hamas is very heavily armed, with lots of heavy weapons, including a significant quantity of anti-tank missiles which they have used to kill Israeli soldiers. So you are once again just spouting lying propaganda.
Iran supplied those weapons to Hamas, and THAT is the real problem. Without all those Iranian rockets Hamas would not be able to threaten civilians the way they do.
The only ones trying to kill civilians in their own homeland are Hamas. And Arab Israelis are full first class citizens with full rights.
As for your idea that appeasement is the right approach, that has been proved wrong by history. Israel withdrew from Gaza and that did no it appease Hamas, which used the additional freedom to acquire rockets.
As for your idea that appeasement is the right approach, that has been proved wrong by history. Israel withdrew from Gaza and that did no it appease Hamas, which used the additional freedom to acquire rockets.
Instead you expect Israel to sit there and take rockets LOL
Ridiculous
How's the analogy good?
The majority that are being killed are children, so children are now pussies?
If somebody invades your home and slaughters your children, your going to sit back and watch? I suppose the pussy would be you if you didn't do anything about it.
This situation is no different.
They started a racist war of aggression to ethnically cleanse the Jews from the mandate, which they lost. During that war, in which they were the clear aggressors, their leaders told them anyone who remained in Jewish captured territory and accepted Jewish rule would be seen as a collaborator.
Arab leaders reinforced that message with false propaganda that Haganah would slaughter anyone left in areas captured by the Jews. Since the Arabs themselves had been slaughtering and expelling any Jews in territory they captured, people believed it and fled.
In almost all cases they evacuated from their areas before Haganah arrived.
Since that time the Arab countries have criminally prevented these people from integrating into their host countries. In Gaza when Israel tried to build homes for them the PLO grieved it to the UN insisting that they should remain in camps until Israel could be destroyed.
Even third and fourth generation kids native born to parents and grandparents themselves native born to the host countries are denied citizenship by the Arabs and forced to live in camps. The irony is that the Arabs really are imposing systematic apartheid on Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria, and Gaza. Separate schools, separate laws, separate hospitals, not entitled to employment, based on being a camp dweller or not.
Note that Israel also absorbed 700,000 Jewish refugees who were ethnically cleansed from Arab countries and Arab captured territory. They lived in refugee camps too, but Israel actively worked on settling them, while the Arabs actively prevented Palestinians from settling. Now 65 years later you cannot tell which Jews descended from refugees while the Arabs keep Palestinians locked up.
Yes there was a Jewish terrorist group called Irgun that Begin was involved with. Over the course of the war it did carry out terrorist attacks, the largest and most infamous being a massacre at Deir Yassin. In total Irgun managed to kill a couple of hundred people, a tiny number compared to the million plus Arabs in the mandate.
At Haifa and other places Haganah got into gun battles with Irgun, defending the Arab citizens from the terrorists. Towards the end of the war Haganah surrounded Irgun a gunpoint and gave them an ultimatum: surrender and disarm and get an amnesty, or die in fire. Begin surrendered and Irgun was disarmed. I believe Hamas should be offered the same deal.
At any rate Arabs in areas captured by Haganah were well treated and made full citizens of Israel. They are still there.
The Arab League certainly did use the few cases of terrorism by Irgun to spread fear of Jews and persuade Palestinians to evacuate all areas captured by Haganah. Their idea was that this would delegitimize Israel. That is still their idea, they are still manipulatively using those people to try and delegitimize Israel today.
Most people don't need much prodding to flee from a battlefield so the Arab leaders spreading fear of Jews among their own people as their military retreated was pretty effective.
At least now you know that they weren't forced from their homes and that the scare tactics weren't done by Israel/Haganah. The Arabs themselves were the ones who encouraged people to flee.
I doubt that is why, he certainly did not campaign on "yay terrorism".
The principle of allowing former terrorists to pursue their politics at the ballot box rather than with a gun is valid. Hamas leaders should have the same opportunity to be political leaders if they give up violence.
Note that Abbas himself was one of the organizers of the Munich Massacre. We overlook that now because he is pursuing a political solution rather then terrorism now. Same thing in Northern Ireland where various former IRA terrorists are now politicians.
Unless you actually can kill every single terrorist it is easier to persuade them to disarm if they still have another, peaceful way to pursue their causes.
This is why surrender or die is effective when surrendering isn't the end. Otherwise they may flip to fight to the death mode, which tends to be costlier for everyone.
Sure they were.
We went over this before, you based your argument on a false quote, deliberately using only half a sentence.
Hamas was democratically elected and did unilaterally enact their own ceasefire, which Israel ended with attacks on Gaza.
Both sides use terrorism, Israel's is way more devastating since they have a massive US funded armory.
Bringing in the UN and the ICC may be the only way to end this peacefully, since Israel shows itself to still be practicing colonial practices.
If you believe that Israel is innocent of war crimes then you have no reason to not support putting Palestine and Israel under the jurisdiction of the ICC.
Do you support that action, or are you still trying to defend Israeli war crimes and terrorism?
No, that is just your clown dance, I posted paragraphs and paragraphs, including the full text of the peace offer Israel gave them and the full text of the letter they replied with. Lying about what I posted is classic groggy jibber jabber. If you can't even be honest about what I posted you really have taken pathetic to a whole new level.
Except there was never a ceasefire. Rockets continued to rain down on Israel the entire time.
I don't support the ICC at all. Israeli courts are much more democratic.
That dignity is under what most of the world sees as a two state peace. Unfortunately many Palestinian factions refuse to accept that.
Do you have a solution? Much of the Palestinian leadership do not want peace with Israel. They don't want a one state solution. Many of the factions are committed to violence against civilians. How do you propose Israel act given those constraints?
I hope so. In the mean time should Israel just sit and endure attacks?
Except that does not relate to most in this conflict. The vast majority of Palestinians who left did so out of fear, not being forced to.
And the attacks are not because Israel occupied Gaza and the West Bank in 1967, the attacks are against pre-1967 Israel because Israel exists.
