The right of return has nothing to do with citizenship, its about residency and not being kicked out of your homes by marauding terrorists.The internationally accepted right of return is a right that people who are already citizens have, to enter their country. It is not a way of getting citizenship.
And like every other country Israel can decide who can and who cannot immigrate on any factor it wants. Lots of countries prefer immigrate of the same ethnic background. Immigrant countries like Canada are the exception, Russia prefers Russians, Japan prefers Japanese, Greece prefers Greeks, etc.
No it isn't. It is about being able to enter a country that you are a citizen of. Period.The right of return has nothing to do with citizenship, its about residency and not being kicked out of your homes by marauding terrorists.
You're a really lousy bullshit artist these days.No it isn't. It is about being able to enter a country that you are a citizen of. Period.
Stop trying to reword laws.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_returnThe Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) article 13 states that "[e]veryone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country." (emphasis added).
What I am shitting on you about is that in 1948, the whole region was extremely arid with population centers where water allowed. That included Israel, the West Bank, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon....I can't understand why you argue about something so obvious....
As is Israel. Sort of defeats the point you are trying to mislead people into.I didn't say they live in vacuum or bottom of ocean. I said desert and there are many highly populated cities built in deserts. In fact now that I think more than two-third but likely 90% of Arab lands in middle east and North Africa is covered by desert.
First off, The immigration policy called the 'right of return' is not automatic and there have been some high profile cases where Jews have been denied citizenship. Canada also give preference for people who speak English or French. Every country has immigration policies that favour certain groups or characteristics.So while you think its fine for Israel to enact the law of return, where anyone Jewish is allowed to move to Israel (where they have never lived) and live there and its also ok for Israel to refuse to give honour the internationally accepted right of return for the millions of Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed from their homes and are still waiting for their return?
Those are racist laws.
You did read what it says right? It says your country, not the country where your grandparents lived.Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.".
The law was not "written to cover time of east when states change", you literally just made that up, which is called lying you moron.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return
No mention of 'citizenship', the law was written to cover times of war where states change, which is why its based on residency.
They did when they arrived as refugees from Iraq, Egypt, Israel had huge refugee camps full of Jews who were ethnically cleansed from Arab countries. Unlike the Arabs Israel gave them citizenship and over time got them out of the camps and integrated into society.(and yes Israel is too except that Israelis don't live in tents)
Correct. It is not a real right. It is just a preference in Israeli immigration policy for Jewish immigrants. Just like Canada has a preference for English or French speaking immigrants, younger immigrants, and educated immigrants Israel has a preference for a Jewish immigrants.so according to you and Fuji the Jews in Europe had no rights to go back to Israel, [/B] just because their ancestors used to live in that land.
That is not a fact. A huge number came from Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Palestine, Iran, etc.The facts are that the Jews who were discriminated against came from Europe
This is false too. Under the Ottomans and under the British Jewish immigrants all bought their land legally and peacefully from Arabs who were happy to sell it. At that time Zionism operated as a global fundraising program, raising money from Jews around the world for land purchases.and under forceful British rule settled and grab the land where arabs were living and then arabs left their lands
Again, why haven't Syria, Lebanon, Jordan settled these people? 65 years is long enough to absorb that many refugees. Israel absorbed far more refugees in a far shorter time.and now have been living in desperate conditions past 70 years in arid land
I see you are back to the Big Lie that Jews are not from the middle east and were not persecuted in the Ottoman empire where a million of them lived.And A piece of Germany should have been taken and given to Jews to build and form a Jewish state as Germany was responsible for Jews suffering not Palestine.
Do you even get that you just contradicted yourself? You admit that their mistreatment is at the hands of Arabs then magically blame Israel anyway.The fact that you are arguing that since arab states forced them to stay in camps and didn't give them citizenship as an excuse for Israel's treatment
Translation: Destroy the state of Israel through massive immigration so that the Palestinian losses in 47 can be reversed and they can complete the ethnic cleansing of Jews that they were unable to complete back then.I have the solution for a lasting peace in middle east. LET THE REGUGEES GO BACK TO THEIR LAND AND SETTLE AND BUILD CITIES AND LIVE IN ISRAEL. This would end the conflict.
Just to recap some facts:As usual a very biased post/response by Fuji in support of Israel. I think most readers know the facts already so I am not even going to respond.
You may not like the fact that 61% of Israeli Jews are descended from people already living in Israel or ethnically cleansed from neighboring Arab countries but it remains a fact whether or not you like it.WWII Jewish immigrants to Israel came rom middle east rather than Europe!!!!!!!. .
And no one did that. It was the Arabs who started the war and tried to ethnically cleanse the Jews. Another troubling little fact that won't just go away.Also if I sell my house to someone who happen to be a foreign citizen or immigrant I don't expect him later to ask me out of my own country or declare his own state or government over me in my homeland. .
On the contrary, the information I have listed above you can quickly verify by Google. Or I can provide lots of sources. BC certainly will if I don't.You have your own facts and figures and they are either twisted or big lies.
Agreed. They arrived as lawful immigrants applying under the immigration policies of the Ottoman Empire, the British Mandate, and then Israel. They had no right to immigrate, it was a privilege that they applied for and lawfully received.Whether they are from Europe or middle east according to yourself they had NO RIGHT of return to Palestine just because their ancestors used to live there.
Nope. Israel was legally created by the British who were the lawful sovereign successors to the Turks who had previously ruled it. This was done by the British through the UN in a vote that was supported by a supermajority of over two thirds of the world's nations. It couldn't be more clearly lawful and sovereign.so state of Israel is AN ILLEGAL OCCUPATION by immigrant Jews from middle East and Europe
Zionists encouraged emmigration, even resorting to black flag events like the Lavon Affair to achieve their goals.You may not like the fact that 61% of Israeli Jews are descended from people already living in Israel or ethnically cleansed from neighboring Arab countries but it remains a fact whether or not you like it.
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The British didn't occupy it. They were the lawful successors of the Turks. Whether you like it or not it has never been Palestinian. Whatever you think of the Turkish and British empires they were the only lawful government.So you believe in colonial rule? It was the British (who occupied or ruled Palestine) not Palestinian government or people who agreed to immigration.
This jibber jabber has been refuted. You cannot just ignore that and repost it. Repeating a lie won't make it true. There is nothing anywhere in international law or in Israeli law that would give a Syrian born Arab a right to immigrate to Israel. Immigration is never a right, it is always a privilege.allow the 4.5 million Palestinian refugees they are responsible for to return to their rightful homes.
Tell that to the UN.This jibber jabber has been refuted. You cannot just ignore that and repost it. Repeating a lie won't make it true. There is nothing anywhere in international law or in Israeli law that would give a Syrian born Arab a right to immigrate to Israel. Immigration is never a right, it is always a privilege.
Why? They make no claim that descendants have a right of return. It is a fiction.Tell that to the UN.
Straw man, not even worthy of response.Why? They make no claim that descendants have a right of return. It is a fiction.
You can call it whatever you want. An Arab born in Syria has no right to immigrate to Israel.Straw man, not even worthy of response.
'descendants' is a straw man clause.
Exactly the point. The fact that you try to portray the Palestinians as being cast out into a desert is absolutely idiotic. They were in a desert and they continued to stay in a desert.basketxase if you want to have a mature debate then I debate with you but the moment that you start using vulgar language (like shitting or worse) then I stop debating. At least you eventually confessed that the region was extremely Arid ....
Actually Jewish refugees from Arab states did live in tents in Israel. Then Israel took the time to integrate them as required by the UN convention on refugees. It is absolutely immoral that Arab states have forced refugees and their generations of children to remain in camps. It is entirely the fault of the Arab states that these refugees were never offered the opportunity to integrate and even worse denied them basic human rights. The Arab states don't even support the refugees camps; they are paid for by mostly Western donations to UNRWA.(and yes Israel is too except that Israelis don't live in tents)
No one has a legal right to immigrate where they want yet countries have the legal right to regulate immigration. During the Ottoman regime, Jews legally immigrated according to Ottoman Laws and legally bout land according to Ottoman Laws. During the British Mandate Jews continued to immigrate under British immigration laws and buy land legally under British law (yes, as the war proceeded there was also illegal immigration)so according to you and Fuji the Jews in Europe had no rights to go back to Israel
Wrong. Less than half of Israel's Jews are of European descent. Most of their families were residents of the Ottoman Empire.The facts are that the Jews who were discriminated against came from Europe
Yet the timeline is significant. Jewish terror groups didn't exist until well after repeated Arab attacks on Jewssome say they were terrorised by Israeli terrorists and some say by arabs and I say both)
Again, because the host countries have refused to follow the UN Convention on Refugees. You keep going to this point but you would have to be an idiot or a pathetic propagandist to push the arid land point. Should the entire Middle East be allowed to immigrate to Canada because the Middle East is arid? Even if under a peace deal they were allowed into Israel, they would still be in an arid country.now have been living in desperate conditions past 70 years in arid land
Israel has done nothing to those refugees in the past 70 years. Unfortunately neither have the Arabs. Israel isn't mistreating them, the Arab hosts are.The fact that you are arguing that since arab states forced them to stay in camps and didn't give them citizenship as an excuse for Israel's treatment, you are basically saying that Israel is as bad as arab states who are corrupt, violent, backward and anti-democratic.
