Will Alberta seperate?

[Dick Meat]

With Dion and Layton foaming at the mouth over the possibility of taxing the Canadian Energy industry to death....

And the Economic powerhouse of BC/AB/SK wretching at the thought of once again being controlled by the cocksuckers in Ontario and K'beck...

I'd say it's just a matter of time...

 

[gramage]

I've been predicting full defederation being the future of this country for a while. I don't think any one region will leave first, because IMO Ontario has as good or a better argument for saying fuck you to Canada then anyone. If Harper ever gets his majority and encodes federal spending limits in law I give Canada about 15 years. Even without I think we'll say screw it within 50 because we don't think nationally and regional interests don't mesh.

 

[Never Compromised]

Harper was quoted years ago as saying that he thought Alberta should create a firewall around itself. One of the things that I dislike and distrust about Harper is his desire to rid the central government of power and to give more power to the provinces.

 

[danmand]

Harper was quoted years ago as saying that he thought Alberta should create a firewall around itself. One of the things that I dislike and distrust about Harper is his desire to rid the central government of power and to give more power to the provinces.

That is the way to make canadian provinces more and more aligned with
the USA, i.e. make Canada disappear as a country.

I cannot understand that canadians do not recognize Harper as a greater
threat to Canada than the Bloc.

 

[FOOTSNIFFER]

Harper was quoted years ago as saying that he thought Alberta should create a firewall around itself. One of the things that I dislike and distrust about Harper is his desire to rid the central government of power and to give more power to the provinces.

How about if he just used the powers already accorded to the Feds in the constitution, like regulation of interprovincial trade. As in, they now don't when they should. Canada is one of the most foolishly decentralised countries in the world. Ten securities regulators when the financial centre of the country is Toronto? A patchwork of training and certification schemes that effectively impede worker mobility across the country??
What Harper seems to have concluded is that if the Feds actually exercise its rights to bind this country closer together, it'll risk the country itself.

 

[Don]

I cannot understand that canadians do not recognize Harper as a greater
threat to Canada than the Bloc.

Only because the Bloc has zero support outside Quebec.

 

[WoodPeckr]

Maybe they should hook up with Sarah Palin's Alaska Independence Party, which wants to break away from the USA, and get something going together!....

 

[dj1470]

I hate this crap.

We live in the greatest country in the world, we are getting very lucky in this whole global credit crisis, terrorists seem to have forgotten about us, we have universal health care, and these fucks in Alberta (and Quebec for that matter) can talk about is leaving?

Fuck anybody who wants to break up this wonderful country!!!!!!!!!!!

Anybody who wants to break it up can kiss my ass and then take the first plane out of here to whatever 3rd world shithole of their choice tickles their fancy.

 

[Dick Meat]

Anybody who wants to break it up can kiss my ass and then take the first plane out of here to whatever 3rd world shithole of their choice tickles their fancy.

Sorry, but nobody from Alberta wants to go to Ontario...

 

[nervous]

Canada is a federation....

Harper was quoted years ago as saying that he thought Alberta should create a firewall around itself. One of the things that I dislike and distrust about Harper is his desire to rid the central government of power and to give more power to the provinces.

The truth is that Canada is a federal state. The provinces have always enjoyed a great deal of autonomy...it was Trudeau that thought he knew best and decided that he would change the game by using the power of the feds to tax and control the money to bride the provinces to doing what he wants. This is BS and makes a joke out of provincial governments.

Why is a PM better able to determine programs for a province than the premier of the province?

 

[chiller_boy]

With Dion and Layton foaming at the mouth over the possibility of taxing the Canadian Energy industry to death....

And the Economic powerhouse of BC/AB/SK wretching at the thought of once again being controlled by the cocksuckers in Ontario and K'beck...

I'd say it's just a matter of time...

The real problem facing Alberta is the plummeting price of oil. OIl sand wealth may be delayed for a number of years while the world economy shovels its way out of the mess the US precipitated. During that period, new sources of oil(ie Cuba and Brazil) may appear and world usage may drop because of Green concerns and better mileage cars. A liberal/NDP coalition would stoke anger in Alberta, for sure, but I bet they will want to be part of the stimulus.

 

[gramage]

Why is a PM better able to determine programs for a province than the premier of the province?

Maybe he can't. But then the question becomes if the PM is never the best choice for who to determine these things why do we pay billions of dollars in taxes for a federal level of government that is always a poorer option? If the Provinces are better suited to determine it, why aren't they their own countries?

 

[danmand]

Somebody has to say it:


Who in the world really cares if Canada is broken up? It is not a real country
with a real history anyway. Alberta wants to be part of the USA, Quebec wants to
be independent, the eastern provinces don't care as long as they get a handout,
rural ontarians think they are part of the UK. The indians and
innuits should have their own government anyway, they have totally their own
traditions. Large parts of the population is recent immigrants that don't care
one way or another, barely half of the population care to vote.

 

[landscaper]

Somebody has to say it:


Who in the world really cares if Canada is broken up? It is not a real country
with a real history anyway. Alberta wants to be part of the USA, Quebec wants to
be independent, the eastern provinces don't care as long as they get a handout,
rural ontarians think they are part of the UK. The indians and
innuits should have their own government anyway, they have totally their own
traditions. Large parts of the population is recent immigrants that don't care
one way or another, barely half of the population care to vote.

Quebec actually does not want to be independant, they want all the rights of an idependant country but still have the money , passports and social net of the country.

Alberta wants a geovernment that does not bring in another national energy program.

The eastern provinces have their own oil and gas programs now and will be happy in a couple of years.

Ontario is still paying out far more than it gets back in program spending. \\So basically we are still the same big disfunctional family as ever.

 

[gramage]

I honestly think if Canada did defederate the only people who would be angry/worse off are Quebec seperatists, and maybe not even them.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Somebody has to say it:


Who in the world really cares if Canada is broken up? It is not a real country
with a real history anyway.

It's a beatuful day for fishing, isn't it?

You might want to try another lure though. The only fish you will catch with this probably won't be a keeper.

 

[clubber]

Save the oils sector at all cost. Protect the profits of the oil barons.

If that is the attitude of the biggest complainers in the world let them go. They are full of inbred rednecks. There is oil in parts of the country with better people. I am tired of subsidizing Alberta's oil patch. A proper carbon tax that taxes the wholesale price only goes a small way to paying the cost of the polution and enviromental damage.

 

[BKool]

I hope that the west separates... we will be much better off without the burden of Ontario

... and Quebec.

I really hope it doesn't come to that though, but the divisions are starting to run very deep. It's Quebec vs Ontario vs the West vs the East and I sense a real hatred of each other developing.

 

[gramage]

Unless we get a new federal government that starts engaging the country as a nation, with far reaching policies that give us tangible connections to each other instead of beer ads telling us what being Canadian is, we will break up in my lifetime and we wont be wrong to do it.

The problem: We don't have a federal party willing to do it. The Liberals abandoned western Canada over a decade ago because winning their vote was too hard (cry me a fucking river your a national party act like it.) The conservatives win at least a little in every province but they don't believe in centralized power. The NDP? They run AGAINST Alberta and I don't think they've ever elected a MP in Quebec (could be wrong about that.) And of course the Bloc claims to be actively seperatist, although at this point I think they are doing less damage to Canadian unity then any other federal party.

Whats the solution? If you want to keep the country together I have no idea.

 

[elmufdvr]

ontario should seperate... that way the rest of the assholes can try to work it out... ontario would do just fine... the new money can have previous ontario govt leaders on it...the peterson five.. the mike 20 and how about the rae one dollar bill.. it is worth nothing so it can be used to wipe my ass off....