Will Bush Bomb Iran

[Cobster]

...and you on HAARETZ.
A unified religious movement (a group) can be potentially as bad as a group of individuals with their own ideas and/or opinions.
Because religious beliefs essentially are a set of ideals (and/or beliefs) are they not?

So the British official was at first a "psyco", now he's an individual with his own opinion(s), but a "psyco" before?
You're quite the flip-flopper.


As for Wolfowitz and his opinions and where he stands, besides behind the podium... http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/04/17/media/story.jpg
A picture is worth how much again...?

That's not the brightest thing to do, when (and if) your country (in this case the US) is trying to play mediator, calling for peace, between two warring countries or states.
It's very bold and brash and as I said earlier, people will draw their own conclusions.
Afterall everyone is entitled to their opinion right?
Regardless who publishes the picture.

Rupert Murdoch, buddy with Ariel, strictly telling his publications what NOT to publish.

The 3 stooges behind the scenes after 9/11.

The powerful Israeli lobby in Washington.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020610/massing

If you don't like her publication, then how about...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0323-09.htm
In case you care to question commondreams' site
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Dreams.

You keep turning that blind eye pal, unless of course you or someone you love is of Jewish faith, then I can understand why you are turning this blind eye.

If you care to read more about the article on commondreams' site
http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011/$File/rwp_06_011_walt.pdf
By the authors of that article a lengthy paper on the US/Israeli relationship in regards to the lobbying and foreign policy influences.
My study group leader emailed it to me today. Enjoy the read.

Take care basketcase.

Ciao Ciao.

 

[basketcase]

Whatever you say Exalted Cyclops. Your relience on predjudicial beliefs is enlightening.

 

[TQM]

Put up or shut up time.

If you think the U.S. will attack Iran (or think such an attack likely), it's time to put your money where your mouth is.

There are 22 months left for the Bush administration. To the best of your abilities (anyone whacked out enough to think this is going to happen) guess as to when.

And if I have any gray matter left in me (which is doubtful) I'm going to remind you all, 22 months from now, of your predictions. I'm not too interested in your opinions on Bush - I'm much more interested in you (all) saying something I can have fun with.

 

[Cobster]

Whatever you say Exalted Cyclops. Your relience on predjudicial beliefs is enlightening.

As is yours...

 

[Cobster]

If you think the U.S. will attack Iran (or think such an attack likely), it's time to put your money where your mouth is.

There are 22 months left for the Bush administration. To the best of your abilities (anyone whacked out enough to think this is going to happen) guess as to when.

And if I have any gray matter left in me (which is doubtful) I'm going to remind you all, 22 months from now, of your predictions. I'm not too interested in your opinions on Bush - I'm much more interested in you (all) saying something I can have fun with.

Bush has his hands full with Iraq as it is.
What a mess this can be...
They are sending fleets again to the Persian Gulf are they not?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/19/world/main2280067.shtml

 

[Sergei]

I never directly said, Israel owns the US now did I?

Ariel Sharon, on the other hand, did.

I read the following two quotes from the exhalted one:

1) In Haaretz, he said that WE OWN THE UNITED STATES AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT.

2) In the Jerusalem Report he said that THE FILTHY WORK OF ZIONISM IS NOT FINISHED YET, WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.

And if anybody cares to give me an address, I'll send him or her the photocopies of these 2 quotations directly from the said periodicals.

I would also like to add that this post is not intended to take sides, but to propagate a couple of very incriminating quotations from a politician I can't say that I like.

Sergei

 

[Cobster]

Just bumping this for basketcase's sake.
Thanks Sergei.

 

[basketcase]

Thanks for the bump, cob, I almost ignored this garbage. Many here call bullshit when people post false quotes so I'll join in. Of course, I didn't have to do anything except google it.
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=21&x_article=766

Take for example, the following quote (found on anti-Israel Web sites) alleged to have been said by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to the Israeli parliament in October 2001 and reported on Kol Yisrael radio:

Don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.

The statement also appears as "I control America."

As it turns out, it is a hoax. Sharon never made either statement. Nor did Kol Yisrael ever report that he did.

Yet syndicated columnist Georgie Anne Geyer wrote in her May 10, 2002 opinion column, which appeared in the Chicago Tribune, San Diego Tribune, and other newspapers:

In fact, it [American support for Israel’‘s actions] led Prime Minister Sharon to tell his Cabinet recently, "I control America."

Where did this quote originate and how did it enter the mainstream media?

CAMERA’s investigation found that it started with an October 3, 2001 press release from the pro-Hamas group, IAP – the Islamic Association for Palestine, which attributed the quote to a report on “the Israeli Hebrew radio, Col [sic] Yisrael.”

In fact, Kol Yisrael political correspondent Yoni Ben-Menachem, who reports on Cabinet meetings, confirmed to CAMERA that he never made such a broadcast and that Sharon never made such a statement. Nor was it reported by any other news service.

When confronted, Geyer told one editor that she relied on two anonymous Israeli sources for the quotation. She told a second editor the quote came from an alleged Ha’aretz article which she never produced and could not be found. A subsequent editor’s note by Geyer’s United Press Syndicate claimed the quote was widely reported in the Palestinian press (i.e. the IAP, which cited the bogus Kol Yisrael source) but could not be confirmed by independent sources.

 

[basketcase]

For the second quote,

What you don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it.

Source given: Ariel Sharon in an interview with Amos Oz, Davar, Dec. 17, 1982

Investigation: The source is found on Arab propaganda and Marxist Web sites. It gained credibility when Rocky Mountain News international editor, Holger Jensen, included it in an April 2002 column attacking Israeli Prime Minister Sharon. Four days later, Jensen was forced to recant, admitting he had “made a grievous error in not verifying the authenticity of 20-year-old quotes attributed to Ariel Sharon.” And shortly after that, Jensen “resigned to pursue other interests.”

In fact, Amos Oz has confirmed that he never met nor interviewed Sharon. The so-called “interview” was a literary device taken from Oz's book In the Land of Israel.In the English version, the interviewee's identity is not revealed, and is referred to as Z (Flamingo/Fontana 1983). Apparently, Palestinian propagandists substituted Sharon's name for Z in the Davar interview. The description of Z does not fit Sharon, and at one point Z himself refers to Sharon, Begin and General Eitan.

Summary: Quote from an anonymous character in book is falsely attributed to Ariel Sharon.

from the same source as above.


In a couple of threads, Sergei has told other people that they need to "do some research" but again, he exposes himself as a fraud.

 

[assoholic]

...my guess is the extra 20,000 troops are there for added protection, after the Navy/Air Force goes after the Nuke sites and G_d knows what else in Iran.

 

[onthebottom]

......


Oh incidentally, I was talking to a friend of mine from York U (from my study group, showed him this thread).
Of course the earlier site you showed haaretz, is pretty Zionist according to him.
Almost got away with it, but not quite.
......

LOL, come back when you start shaving.

OTB

 

[Cobster]

LOL, come back when you start shaving.

OTB

Been shaving for quite a while, probably not as long as you old man, but I've been shaving...
Btw, like my signature, quite a chart isn't it? =)

 

[onthebottom]

Been shaving for quite a while, probably not as long as you old man, but I've been shaving...
Btw, like my signature, quite a chart isn't it? =)

Old news, but I'm sure it's quite a shock if you're both simplistic and young.

OTB

 

[Cobster]

Old news, but I'm sure it's quite a shock if you're both simplistic and young.

OTB

Old factual news?
Far from shocking, I'm just hoping you're alright, no heart attack or anything?
Want me to call an ambulance for you?
Terbites gotta look after one another.

 

[WoodPeckr]

More evidence of inordinate & massive Israeli lobby in USA

For those apologists still in DENIAL here.
AIPAC - American Israel Public Affairs Committee and the Aspen Institute are exempt from many of its harshest restrictions of the new ethics bill.
Just further proof how the Israeli Lobby own BOTH the GOP and the DEMS.

Major loophole in Democrats' ethics bill will benefit controversial lobbying groups

Brian Beutler
Published: Tuesday January 9, 2007

Democrats’ own Rules Commmittee chair criticizes exemption, bill architecture

WASHINGTON -- A major loophole in the Democrats' recently unveiled ethics package will allow non-profit arms of controversial lobbying organizations to fund travel excursions for members of Congress, RAW STORY has discovered.

Though tasked with authoring the legislation, Rules Committee Chair Louise Slaughter (D-NY) said she disagreed with the exemption in an exclusive interview.

"I would've done it straight out," Slaughter said, noting that the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the Aspen Institute are exempt from many of its harshest restrictions.

Slaughter didn’t say who, if anyone, had pushed for the exemption. As chair, the New York Democrat was responsible for pulling together the ethics reform package, which was hammered out between members of the Democratic caucus.

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) declined to comment.

Washington ethics watchdog Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington – a nonprofit that has loudly decried Republican ethics scandals and enforcement – also declined to comment.

The Aspen Institute, which does not technically employ lobbyists, describes itself as an organization that runs "seminars, policy programs, conferences and leadership development initiatives" intended "to promote nonpartisan inquiry and an appreciation for timeless values." The group concentrates on a wide range of public policies, but its foreign policy and weapons control arm — known as the "Aspen Strategy Group" — have included high-profile and arguably partisan fellows including Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, former Vice President Al Gore Clinton Secretary of State Madeline Albright, and former New York Times reporter Judith Miller.

However, the group does pay for members to attend what spokesman Jim Spiegelman described as, “intensive, multi-day informational discussions on mostly foreign policy issues, wherein the institute takes “members of congress together on a trip and focuses on a given subject whether it’s the international environment, or non-proliferation or another [foreign policy] topic.”

AIPAC, on the other hand, is widely believed to be the most powerful lobbying organization in Washington, and it has used its might, some say, to help end the political careers of several members of congress who had been critical of Israel including Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) and Earl Hilliard (D-AL). It was recently implicated in an espionage scandal involving Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin who was suspected of passing sensitive legislation to Israel through contacts in AIPAC. It has also mobilized millions of dollars to fund non-violent defense technologies and has attempted to disrupt activities of militant groups like Hezbollah and Hamas.

AIPAC declined to comment on being singled out by Slaughter, but spokesman Josh Block described the educational trips to Israel as “substantive, educational, and valuable.” He also pointed out that AIPAC had testified before congress last year on the issue of privately funded travel.

In that testimony, Bradley Gordon, AIPAC’s director for policy and governmental affairs, recommended that there “be more disclosure to the Ethics Committee both in advance and after the trip. A well-defined preapproval process is essential. We also think it is important to publicly disclose information about the trip after the trip is complete.”

Scores of 501(c)(3) organizations are headquartered in Washington, and many serve as platforms for advocating their causes. The Save Darfur Coalition and Human Rights Campaign each maintain 501(c)(3) status.

 

[papasmerf]

For those apologists still in DENIAL here.
AIPAC - American Israel Public Affairs Committee and the Aspen Institute are exempt from many of its harshest restrictions of the new ethics bill.
Just further proof how the Israeli Lobby own BOTH the GOP and the DEMS.

Major loophole in Democrats' ethics bill will benefit controversial lobbying groups

Brian Beutler
Published: Tuesday January 9, 2007

Democrats’ own Rules Commmittee chair criticizes exemption, bill architecture

WASHINGTON -- A major loophole in the Democrats' recently unveiled ethics package will allow non-profit arms of controversial lobbying organizations to fund travel excursions for members of Congress, RAW STORY has discovered.

Though tasked with authoring the legislation, Rules Committee Chair Louise Slaughter (D-NY) said she disagreed with the exemption in an exclusive interview.

"I would've done it straight out," Slaughter said, noting that the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the Aspen Institute are exempt from many of its harshest restrictions.

Slaughter didn’t say who, if anyone, had pushed for the exemption. As chair, the New York Democrat was responsible for pulling together the ethics reform package, which was hammered out between members of the Democratic caucus.

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) declined to comment.

Washington ethics watchdog Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington – a nonprofit that has loudly decried Republican ethics scandals and enforcement – also declined to comment.

The Aspen Institute, which does not technically employ lobbyists, describes itself as an organization that runs "seminars, policy programs, conferences and leadership development initiatives" intended "to promote nonpartisan inquiry and an appreciation for timeless values." The group concentrates on a wide range of public policies, but its foreign policy and weapons control arm — known as the "Aspen Strategy Group" — have included high-profile and arguably partisan fellows including Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, former Vice President Al Gore Clinton Secretary of State Madeline Albright, and former New York Times reporter Judith Miller.

However, the group does pay for members to attend what spokesman Jim Spiegelman described as, “intensive, multi-day informational discussions on mostly foreign policy issues, wherein the institute takes “members of congress together on a trip and focuses on a given subject whether it’s the international environment, or non-proliferation or another [foreign policy] topic.”

AIPAC, on the other hand, is widely believed to be the most powerful lobbying organization in Washington, and it has used its might, some say, to help end the political careers of several members of congress who had been critical of Israel including Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) and Earl Hilliard (D-AL). It was recently implicated in an espionage scandal involving Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin who was suspected of passing sensitive legislation to Israel through contacts in AIPAC. It has also mobilized millions of dollars to fund non-violent defense technologies and has attempted to disrupt activities of militant groups like Hezbollah and Hamas.

AIPAC declined to comment on being singled out by Slaughter, but spokesman Josh Block described the educational trips to Israel as “substantive, educational, and valuable.” He also pointed out that AIPAC had testified before congress last year on the issue of privately funded travel.

In that testimony, Bradley Gordon, AIPAC’s director for policy and governmental affairs, recommended that there “be more disclosure to the Ethics Committee both in advance and after the trip. A well-defined preapproval process is essential. We also think it is important to publicly disclose information about the trip after the trip is complete.”

Scores of 501(c)(3) organizations are headquartered in Washington, and many serve as platforms for advocating their causes. The Save Darfur Coalition and Human Rights Campaign each maintain 501(c)(3) status.

Woody

you realize that if you would have pushed to eliminate CARPETBAGGERS like her this post would have never been needed????????

 

[WoodPeckr]

Woody

you realize that if you would have pushed to eliminate CARPETBAGGERS like her this post would have never been needed????????

pops,
Time for your meds.........
You, as usual....... like your hero Dubya, make NO SENSE !!!

 

[Cobster]

lmao

btw, Wood, we should get a bet going on how many words Dubya flubs tonight.
$5 per word, but who would bet against that?
Maybe his supporters???
Easiest money, you'll ever make.

 

[papasmerf]

pops,
Time for your meds.........
You, as usual....... like your hero Dubya, make NO SENSE !!!

You are the one that noted that the carpetbagger know as Slaughter push for the exemption.


she be your devil not mine

 

[WoodPeckr]

You are the one that noted that the carpetbagger know as Slaughter push for the exemption.


she be your devil not mine

pops,
Women in power really scare you that much??????

Better off sticking with your 'good-buddies', bot, Laddie, etc......