Will Bush Bomb Iran
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assoholic said:
and you fancy yourself a dancer too. But the sidestep shuffle taint much of a dance
So what exactly in this post refutes the fact that the Sharon quotes are fake? The group has a pro-Israel and anti-antisemitic focus but that does nothing to show their claims as false. The only thing that this shows is the site is run by Jews. Do you think that makes them liars?neversayno said:BIASED , BIASED , BIASED , another manipulation by basketcase
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_Accuracy_in_Middle_East_Reporting_in_America
CAMERA is a member of the Israel Campus Roundtable, which includes the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), Anti-Defamation League, The David Project Center for Jewish Leadership, and other pro-Israel organizations. As a member of this Campus Roundtable, CAMERA operates on college campuses to combat what it perceives as "propagandistic assaults on Israel . . . creating harmful misperceptions of Israel" and "publishes a student-focused magazine, CAMERA on Campus, containing specialized information useful in countering misinformation."[5]
Charles Jacobs (political activist) founder of CAMERA
founded The David Project Center for Jewish Leadership (2002), which he heads.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Jacobs_(political_activist)
First, in this thread, you posted those quotes as fact. I have provided a sourced document saying that the quotes are b.s. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? If the quotes were true, you should be able to find some original source documents to show that.Sergei said:
In another thread, you posted that Kuwait has no history of independance and I refuted that with what an encyclopedia says.
Put these together and it is clear that despite your claims of neutrality and knowing facts, the "truths" you have posted are not so. If the sources I posted are made up, please post some evidence (Enclyclopedia Britanica is known for their falsehoods aren't they?) instead of trying do divert the attention from your obtusification.
And yes, I am far more likely to believe a site where they use direct source information and have clearly shown what their research is than to believe a site that refuses to provide references except from other places that refuse to provide references.
The biggest joke of your post is
You keep trying to bully people into believing your facts but all you are left with is trying to defend an untennable position (but I am sure you were there an personally Sharon said these things and were living in what is modern day Kuwait in the 18th century).
I (along with any rational person) will view the alleged Sharon quotes you posted as garbage until you or someone else can "use google" and show why Camera's analysis is flawed.
Until you do, I will continue to consider you a fraud. If you have such a low level of self-confidence (or confidence in your alleged facts) that you consider that an insult, so be it.
I am impressed with this post because you didn't just post a link but I think your rhetorical skills need a little bit of polishing, (unless you are pandering to the less educated on this board).neversayno said:
Even More evidence of inordinate & massive Israeli lobby in USA
Why Did Bush Give Kristol’s Speech? PNAC is Alive and Well and They’re Taking Us to Iran and Syria!
PNAC is alive and well and living inside George W. Bush’s empty skull. All you had to do was watch a few minutes of FOX News before George W. Bush gave his speech and the grin on William Kristol’s face, (PNAC chairman who is very likely one of the insiders that brought us 9/11 or as he called it, our “new Pearl Harbor”), and you would have known that Bush was about to announce the continuation of the PNAC agenda. Kristol grinned like a little boy trying to keep a secret. But some of us know better. Some of us know that Kristol has been one of the Neocons who has helped package and sell the continuation of the PNAC foreign policy agenda.
“A new way forward” and troop “surge” are two of the laughable inaccurate terms that have been coined for this second chapter in the PNAC coup. These guys stole an election, 9/11ed us into giving them control of our military and they even sacrificed their own (Rumsfeld) in order to retain power. Tonight’s speech by George W. Bush was simply the public announcement that the Iran/Syria chapter of the PNAC remapping of the Middle East is on its way. Another element of PNAC chapter two is also under way, for those of you who are not paying attention: the part of their agenda that recommended that the US secure (steal) resources in the region is in the works because Iraq’s newly “elected” Parliament, you know the people who represent the citizens of Iraq, just decided to sign the Iraqi oil rights over to western companies. You know; the oil that Saddam used to provide free health care and education (through college) to Iraqi citizens. Now that oil revenue will go right into the pockets of the oil executives who bring us global warming, war and a wall of secrecy when it comes to any technology that could replace oil for anything.
Hey, stupid brainwashed Americans, did you know that Saddam used Iraq’s oil money to pay for health care? No; because your lying bastards in the media did not tell you this. While Saddam was providing free health care for his people your health care costs rose 70% (another fine Bush legacy) and while Iraq’s oil money also paid for Iraqis’ education, Exxon has turned in one global profit record after another!
Folks, don’t criticize this blog entry by saying things about the credibility of my blog; because the design is not professional, or because I did not provide too many links to back up my comments. Go through the hundreds of pages of the main web site where you can find thousands of linked references or get off of your butt and start Googling (you know, like that sage intellectual W says, use “the Google” on the “Internets”). Maybe after reading a few corroborated undisputed media reports from around the world you will put two and two together and join me in recognizing that we have a president who is a puppet of some very bad people who think nothing of lying to you in order to further their goals. They think nothing of killing massive numbers of people including Americans in order to further their goals and they have done just that.
Don’t be afraid to start researching this stuff because the ramifications of not doing anything will be worse than if you let the damage continue to pile up. Maybe if enough of you come to terms with what is taking place more people can actually take action. Maybe the people who are trying desperately to alert the citizens of this nation about what is going on will have one less person slowing us down from stopping the madness!
PNAC brought you 9/11, they brought you Iraq and now they are telling you that Iran and Syria are next. And guess what, I have said it time and time again but when the time comes I’ll say it again…I told you so!
So how much more do you have to see before you stop these guys? How much more do you have to see before you start believing your own eyes and ears; or do you just not trust your own eyes and ears; only those of the people who have lied to you about everything from the Gulf of Tonkin to 9/11; the criminal US corporate media? Think about it!
Reference
Why Did Bush Give Kristol’s Speech? PNAC is Alive and Well and They’re Taking Us to Iran and Syria!
PNAC is alive and well and living inside George W. Bush’s empty skull. All you had to do was watch a few minutes of FOX News before George W. Bush gave his speech and the grin on William Kristol’s face, (PNAC chairman who is very likely one of the insiders that brought us 9/11 or as he called it, our “new Pearl Harbor”), and you would have known that Bush was about to announce the continuation of the PNAC agenda. Kristol grinned like a little boy trying to keep a secret. But some of us know better. Some of us know that Kristol has been one of the Neocons who has helped package and sell the continuation of the PNAC foreign policy agenda.
“A new way forward” and troop “surge” are two of the laughable inaccurate terms that have been coined for this second chapter in the PNAC coup. These guys stole an election, 9/11ed us into giving them control of our military and they even sacrificed their own (Rumsfeld) in order to retain power. Tonight’s speech by George W. Bush was simply the public announcement that the Iran/Syria chapter of the PNAC remapping of the Middle East is on its way. Another element of PNAC chapter two is also under way, for those of you who are not paying attention: the part of their agenda that recommended that the US secure (steal) resources in the region is in the works because Iraq’s newly “elected” Parliament, you know the people who represent the citizens of Iraq, just decided to sign the Iraqi oil rights over to western companies. You know; the oil that Saddam used to provide free health care and education (through college) to Iraqi citizens. Now that oil revenue will go right into the pockets of the oil executives who bring us global warming, war and a wall of secrecy when it comes to any technology that could replace oil for anything.
Hey, stupid brainwashed Americans, did you know that Saddam used Iraq’s oil money to pay for health care? No; because your lying bastards in the media did not tell you this. While Saddam was providing free health care for his people your health care costs rose 70% (another fine Bush legacy) and while Iraq’s oil money also paid for Iraqis’ education, Exxon has turned in one global profit record after another!
Folks, don’t criticize this blog entry by saying things about the credibility of my blog; because the design is not professional, or because I did not provide too many links to back up my comments. Go through the hundreds of pages of the main web site where you can find thousands of linked references or get off of your butt and start Googling (you know, like that sage intellectual W says, use “the Google” on the “Internets”). Maybe after reading a few corroborated undisputed media reports from around the world you will put two and two together and join me in recognizing that we have a president who is a puppet of some very bad people who think nothing of lying to you in order to further their goals. They think nothing of killing massive numbers of people including Americans in order to further their goals and they have done just that.
Don’t be afraid to start researching this stuff because the ramifications of not doing anything will be worse than if you let the damage continue to pile up. Maybe if enough of you come to terms with what is taking place more people can actually take action. Maybe the people who are trying desperately to alert the citizens of this nation about what is going on will have one less person slowing us down from stopping the madness!
PNAC brought you 9/11, they brought you Iraq and now they are telling you that Iran and Syria are next. And guess what, I have said it time and time again but when the time comes I’ll say it again…I told you so!
So how much more do you have to see before you stop these guys? How much more do you have to see before you start believing your own eyes and ears; or do you just not trust your own eyes and ears; only those of the people who have lied to you about everything from the Gulf of Tonkin to 9/11; the criminal US corporate media? Think about it!
Reference
Escalation Against Iran
The Pieces Are Being Put in Place
By Col. Sam Gardner
01/16/07 "Counterpunch" -- -- The pieces are moving. They’ll be in place by the end of February. The United States will be able to escalate military operations against Iran.
The second carrier strike group leaves the U.S. west coast on January 16. It will be joined by naval mine clearing assets from both the United States and the UK. Patriot missile defense systems have also been ordered to deploy to the Gulf.
Maybe as a guard against North Korea seeing operations focused on Iran as a chance to be aggressive, a squadron of F-117 stealth fighters has just been deployed to Korea.
This has to be called escalation. We have to remind ourselves, just as Iran is supporting groups inside Iraq, the United States is supporting groups inside Iran. Just as Iran has special operations troops operating inside Iraq, we’ve read the United States has special operations troops operating inside Iran.
Just as Iran is supporting Hamas, two weeks ago we found out the United States is supporting arms for Abbas. Just as Iran and Syria are supporting Hezbollah in Lebanon we’re now learning the White House has approved a finding to allow the CIA to support opposition groups inside Lebanon. Just as Iran is supporting Syria, we’ve learned recently that the United States is going to fund Syrian opposition groups.
We learned this week the President authorized an attack on the Iranian liaison office in Irbil.
The White House keeps saying there are no plans to attack Iran. Obviously, the facts suggest otherwise. Equally as clear, the Iranians will read what the Administrations is doing not what it is saying.
It is possible the White House strategy is just implementing a strategy to put pressure on Iran on a number of fronts, and this will never amount to anything. On the other hand, if the White House is on a path to strike Iran, we’ll see a few more steps unfold.
First, we know there is a National Security Council staff-led
group whose mission is to create outrage in the world against Iran. Just like before Gulf II, this media group will begin to release stories to sell a strike against Iran. Watch for the outrage stuff. The Patriot missiles going to the GCC states are only part of the missile defense assets. I would expect to see the deployment of some of the European-based missile defense assets to Israel, just as they were before Gulf II.
I would expect deployment of additional USAF fighters into the bases in Iraq, maybe some into Afghanistan.
I think we will read about the deployment of some of the newly arriving Army brigades going into Iraq being deployed to the border with Iran. Their mission will be to guard against any Iranian movements into Iraq.
As one of the last steps before a strike, we’ll see USAF tankers moved to unusual places, like Bulgaria. These will be used to refuel the US-based B-2 bombers on their strike missions into Iran. When that happens, we’ll only be days away from a strike.
The White House could be telling the truth. Maybe there are no plans to take Iran to the next level. The fuel for a fire is in place, however. All we need is a spark. The danger is that we have created conditions that could lead to a Greater Middle East War.
Sam Gardiner is a retired colonel of the US Air Force. He has taught strategy and military operations at the National War College, Air War College and Naval War College.
The Pieces Are Being Put in Place
By Col. Sam Gardner
01/16/07 "Counterpunch" -- -- The pieces are moving. They’ll be in place by the end of February. The United States will be able to escalate military operations against Iran.
The second carrier strike group leaves the U.S. west coast on January 16. It will be joined by naval mine clearing assets from both the United States and the UK. Patriot missile defense systems have also been ordered to deploy to the Gulf.
Maybe as a guard against North Korea seeing operations focused on Iran as a chance to be aggressive, a squadron of F-117 stealth fighters has just been deployed to Korea.
This has to be called escalation. We have to remind ourselves, just as Iran is supporting groups inside Iraq, the United States is supporting groups inside Iran. Just as Iran has special operations troops operating inside Iraq, we’ve read the United States has special operations troops operating inside Iran.
Just as Iran is supporting Hamas, two weeks ago we found out the United States is supporting arms for Abbas. Just as Iran and Syria are supporting Hezbollah in Lebanon we’re now learning the White House has approved a finding to allow the CIA to support opposition groups inside Lebanon. Just as Iran is supporting Syria, we’ve learned recently that the United States is going to fund Syrian opposition groups.
We learned this week the President authorized an attack on the Iranian liaison office in Irbil.
The White House keeps saying there are no plans to attack Iran. Obviously, the facts suggest otherwise. Equally as clear, the Iranians will read what the Administrations is doing not what it is saying.
It is possible the White House strategy is just implementing a strategy to put pressure on Iran on a number of fronts, and this will never amount to anything. On the other hand, if the White House is on a path to strike Iran, we’ll see a few more steps unfold.
First, we know there is a National Security Council staff-led
group whose mission is to create outrage in the world against Iran. Just like before Gulf II, this media group will begin to release stories to sell a strike against Iran. Watch for the outrage stuff. The Patriot missiles going to the GCC states are only part of the missile defense assets. I would expect to see the deployment of some of the European-based missile defense assets to Israel, just as they were before Gulf II.
I would expect deployment of additional USAF fighters into the bases in Iraq, maybe some into Afghanistan.
I think we will read about the deployment of some of the newly arriving Army brigades going into Iraq being deployed to the border with Iran. Their mission will be to guard against any Iranian movements into Iraq.
As one of the last steps before a strike, we’ll see USAF tankers moved to unusual places, like Bulgaria. These will be used to refuel the US-based B-2 bombers on their strike missions into Iran. When that happens, we’ll only be days away from a strike.
The White House could be telling the truth. Maybe there are no plans to take Iran to the next level. The fuel for a fire is in place, however. All we need is a spark. The danger is that we have created conditions that could lead to a Greater Middle East War.
Sam Gardiner is a retired colonel of the US Air Force. He has taught strategy and military operations at the National War College, Air War College and Naval War College.
You mean this...onthebottom said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BxOfmH9wlA&mode=related&search=
The 9/11 terrorist attacks and Iraq right?
From the mouth of the ass himself...
For those still concerned about Bush bombing Iran:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/us.iraq.ap/index.html
Although a nonbinding resolution can't slow Bush's new "plan", it does illustrate that Congress and the Senate wants GWB to know he's on very thin ice.
If Bush passes wind in the direction of Iran, he will be impeached.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/us.iraq.ap/index.html
Although a nonbinding resolution can't slow Bush's new "plan", it does illustrate that Congress and the Senate wants GWB to know he's on very thin ice.
If Bush passes wind in the direction of Iran, he will be impeached.
Empires collapse... http://www.counterpunch.org/sale02222005.html
[SIZE=-1] So far that military network has not collapsed, but as Iraq indicates it is mightily tested and quite incapable of establishing client states to do our bidding and protect resources we need. And as anti-American sentiment continues to spread and darken-in all the Muslim countries, in much of Europe, in much of Asia-and as more countries refuse the "structural adjustments" that our IMF-led globalization requires, it is quite likely that the periphery of our empire will begin resisting our dominance, militarily if necessary. And far from having a capacity to fight two wars simultaneously, as the Pentagon once hoped, we are proving that we can't even fight one.
[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Finally, domestic dissent and upheaval. Traditional empires end up collapsing from within as well as often being attacked from without, and so far the level of dissent within the U.S. has not reached the point of rebellion or secession-thanks both to the increasing repression of dissent and escalation of fear in the name of "homeland security" and to the success of our modern version of bread and circuses, a unique combination of entertainment, sports, television, internet sex and games, consumption, drugs, liquor, and religion that effectively deadens the general public into stupor. But the tactics of the Bush II administration show that it is so fearful of an expression of popular dissent that it is willing to defy and ignore environmental, civil-rights, and progressive groups, to bribe commentators to put out its propaganda, to expand surveillance and data-base invasions of privacy, to use party superiority and backroom tactics to ride roughshod over Congressional opposition, to use lies and deceptions as a normal part of government operations, to break international laws and treaties for short-term ends, and to use religion to cloak its every policy.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] So far that military network has not collapsed, but as Iraq indicates it is mightily tested and quite incapable of establishing client states to do our bidding and protect resources we need. And as anti-American sentiment continues to spread and darken-in all the Muslim countries, in much of Europe, in much of Asia-and as more countries refuse the "structural adjustments" that our IMF-led globalization requires, it is quite likely that the periphery of our empire will begin resisting our dominance, militarily if necessary. And far from having a capacity to fight two wars simultaneously, as the Pentagon once hoped, we are proving that we can't even fight one.
[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Finally, domestic dissent and upheaval. Traditional empires end up collapsing from within as well as often being attacked from without, and so far the level of dissent within the U.S. has not reached the point of rebellion or secession-thanks both to the increasing repression of dissent and escalation of fear in the name of "homeland security" and to the success of our modern version of bread and circuses, a unique combination of entertainment, sports, television, internet sex and games, consumption, drugs, liquor, and religion that effectively deadens the general public into stupor. But the tactics of the Bush II administration show that it is so fearful of an expression of popular dissent that it is willing to defy and ignore environmental, civil-rights, and progressive groups, to bribe commentators to put out its propaganda, to expand surveillance and data-base invasions of privacy, to use party superiority and backroom tactics to ride roughshod over Congressional opposition, to use lies and deceptions as a normal part of government operations, to break international laws and treaties for short-term ends, and to use religion to cloak its every policy.[/SIZE]
Well on paper that looks nice and safe.bbking said:
However the US won't hit Iran because Israel will be given that job.
Remember Israel went to war with Lebanon over two soldiers being 'kidnapped', so who knows what 'incident' has been concocted as a pretext for Israel to hit Iran.
All out war, is never really planned, it just escalates step by tragic step.
Uhh, we are often on the same side of debates here but I can't see eye to eye with you on this. At least in the public eye, Hezbollah won this summer. As a result they felt that they had the political clout to effectively control Lebanese politics. Even after weeks of protests that have accomplished nothing, Nasrallah still thinks he can take down the government.bbking said:
Yes, Iran knows that the Israelis will respond heavily but they also know that Hezbollah and likely Hamas would still be able to inflict enough harm to make it worthwhile.
As for provocations, nothing less than a direct attack from Iran on Israel or a nuclear deonation facilitated by Hez/Ham will precipitate an actual war.
I don't think Israel lost last summer. I feel there were no winners or losers in that Lebanese Debacle.bbking said:
Israeli neocons staged their own 'Shock & Awe' version in Lebanon using two captured soldiers as the pretext for going in. After an initial success IDF bogged down into a stalemate. Saner minds in Israeli government looked across the border into Iraq and realized they don't have the resources to waste, money, time and Israeli lives, in their Lebanon Debacle as Dubya is doing in his Iraq Debacle. So Israel declared victory, abandoned those two soldiers and pulled out of Lebanon.
It does however, as you point out, make for a dandy precedent for hitting Iran in the near future. That is unless a better 'one' is in the works.....
Israel could have easily wiped out Hezbollah. There just wouldn't be more than a few dozen people alive in southern Lebanon after.
