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It means if they chose to leave the US, they could become Israeli. Most do not choose to go, ergo. they do not want to be Israeli.neversayno said:
To me that seems that the US is attempting to control Israel, not the other way around. Why don't the Palestiians get the same military support? (Besides the fact that it would expose the US as just out for the money) The Palestinians militants have shown what they do with their weapons.Cobster said:
Or they may have a vested interest in promoting the US. How many Israelis are in power positions in the US? For the other American Jews, the US is their homeland. To assume otherwise about the whole group without any evidence is xenophobic and racist.
Try reading Haaretz. You will see how diverse Israeli opinion is.
http://www.haaretz.com/
Goes back to your previous arguement: the racist assumption that because someone is Jewish, they will betray their country for another. Get a life buddy.
Here's another interesting take on the mediaCobster said:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3330818905742409257
I watched yours (well before you posted it). Will you read mine?
The militants don't have the weapons that Israel has acces to.basketcase said:
So they imrpovise.
Afterall, Israel does seem to be occupying and controlling the flow of money and goods, am I wrong?
Give them (Palestinians) the same weapons Israel has and I don't think it would be a level game then.
Either you're playing stupid for the sake or argument, or you don't really pay attention to politics.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in this one.
Not saying they will betray them, but help them.
Off topic for a second, but argument has no "e" after "u".
Just so you know.
As for getting a life, I'm not the one called "basketcase". =)
Why the hell would Israel do this when The Palestinian government (at least the party in control) has sworn to eliminate Israel as an entity, don't recognize Israel's right to exist, don't want to renounce terror in favour of peace, ....Cobster said:
Your arguement is transparent as well, saying that the only reason thatthe Palestinians continue to attack Israel is because of their lack of weapons. So if they had better weapons, they would stop using them? What kind of logic is that?
All report say that Israel has had nukes for almost 40 yeras and have never used them. Israel has the military capability to completely end the "Palestinian Question" but they won't. They have refused to respond to the more than 70 rockets fired at them since the Gaza "ceasefire" began. Meanwhile, the Palestinians don't even pretend to follow through on the ceasefire. Is there any evidence that the Palestinian factions would show any kind of restraint if they had the capability to match Israel militarily? The only result would be another open war since Israel won't go gentle into that good night.
On your other topic, here in Canada..... it is ARGUEMENT!
No you haven't missed my response.
Unlike you, I'm not a basketcase, I have a life.
Here's your list...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_politicians
Pretty powerful positions over the years wouldn't you say?
I also know Wolfowitz is of Jewish ancestry, as he was the central focus of one of my study groups regarding him and his Undersecretary of Defense (policies), under Cheney and Bush Sr.
The sub-text to all of which was, were his policies aimed at domestic foreign policy persuasion or foreign driven. (ie - Israel's geo-political stance in the Middle-East).
http://www.stormfront.org/solargeneral/library/www.fpp.co.uk/online/03/10/JerusPost021003.html
Food for thought
http://www.conspiracyworld.com/web/Articles/reins_of_power.htm
So let's not play dumb, they've held pretty powerful positions in government and still do.
Also, care to explain why Israel recevies $3billion in direct foreign assistance from the States each year? 1/5th of America's budget.
In per capita terms, the United States gives each Israeli a direct subsidy worth about $500 per year.3 This largesse is especially striking when one realizes that Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to South Korea or Spain.4
Enjoy the read
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/mearwalt.php?articleid=9573
You gotta be a little open minded.
Another quick read and what a British politician had said, as well as Rupert Murdoch and something about his TIME magazine.
I'll let you find that.
http://www.damianpenny.com/archived/003243.html
Keep in mind, Rupert seemed to be very good friends with Ariel Sharon.
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-news-monopoly-murdoch-jew-part3.html
I'm done here.
Unlike you, I'm not a basketcase, I have a life.
Here's your list...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_politicians
Pretty powerful positions over the years wouldn't you say?
I also know Wolfowitz is of Jewish ancestry, as he was the central focus of one of my study groups regarding him and his Undersecretary of Defense (policies), under Cheney and Bush Sr.
The sub-text to all of which was, were his policies aimed at domestic foreign policy persuasion or foreign driven. (ie - Israel's geo-political stance in the Middle-East).
http://www.stormfront.org/solargeneral/library/www.fpp.co.uk/online/03/10/JerusPost021003.html
Food for thought
http://www.conspiracyworld.com/web/Articles/reins_of_power.htm
So let's not play dumb, they've held pretty powerful positions in government and still do.
Also, care to explain why Israel recevies $3billion in direct foreign assistance from the States each year? 1/5th of America's budget.
In per capita terms, the United States gives each Israeli a direct subsidy worth about $500 per year.3 This largesse is especially striking when one realizes that Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to South Korea or Spain.4
Enjoy the read
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/mearwalt.php?articleid=9573
You gotta be a little open minded.
Another quick read and what a British politician had said, as well as Rupert Murdoch and something about his TIME magazine.
I'll let you find that.
http://www.damianpenny.com/archived/003243.html
Keep in mind, Rupert seemed to be very good friends with Ariel Sharon.
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-news-monopoly-murdoch-jew-part3.html
I'm done here.
I am still waiting for your list of ISRAELIS who control the US. All of the people listed are Americans (who happen to be Jewish) unless you believe your sources such as ...
Stormfront? Get real. Did you not notice the Germanic style cross and the words "white pride world wide" at the top of their site? Does that give a clue?
Conspiracy World is run by Texe Marrs who is either a paranoid compulsive or shares the beliefs of stormfront.
Jew Watch is run by Frank Weltner who is believed to be a member of the National Alliance - another racist organization. Google Canada has even removed it from their searches for violation of local (Canadian) law.
The other two are blogs created with the opinion of a couple of average joes.
So I guess the question is were you:
a) unable to back up your beliefs on Israeli control and therefore changed the topic?
b) only able to find anything remotely close by using racist sites?
c) believe in what the racist sites tell you?
If you don't think you are racist, maybe you should question why it seems that your view can only be found on sites of outspoken racists.
Stormfront? Get real. Did you not notice the Germanic style cross and the words "white pride world wide" at the top of their site? Does that give a clue?
Conspiracy World is run by Texe Marrs who is either a paranoid compulsive or shares the beliefs of stormfront.
Jew Watch is run by Frank Weltner who is believed to be a member of the National Alliance - another racist organization. Google Canada has even removed it from their searches for violation of local (Canadian) law.
The other two are blogs created with the opinion of a couple of average joes.
So I guess the question is were you:
a) unable to back up your beliefs on Israeli control and therefore changed the topic?
b) only able to find anything remotely close by using racist sites?
c) believe in what the racist sites tell you?
If you don't think you are racist, maybe you should question why it seems that your view can only be found on sites of outspoken racists.
Far from it, like I said Wolfowitz is Israeli and there was a huge debate on whether or not his policies were hemmed from the view point of Israel or America.
You'd be surprised to find out, do some research on him. I did, maybe it's your turn.
Like I said, a lot of benefit (both financial and non) are given to Israel via the U.S.
I just think you're intentionally being dishonest about the whole situation.
Keep doing that.
btw, you never made mention of antiwar (the site) and why America is constantly funding such a powerful country as Israel.
Nor the mention of the British member of Government and his statement.
Nor Rupert Murdoch and his controlling of the articles to be published in TIME.
But that's okay.
I can see you'll keep trying to disuade any points I make and believe that there isn't a strong Israel lobby in Washington.
ie - Ariel Sharon
Go back to lalaland in basketville.
You'd be surprised to find out, do some research on him. I did, maybe it's your turn.
Like I said, a lot of benefit (both financial and non) are given to Israel via the U.S.
I just think you're intentionally being dishonest about the whole situation.
Keep doing that.
btw, you never made mention of antiwar (the site) and why America is constantly funding such a powerful country as Israel.
Nor the mention of the British member of Government and his statement.
Nor Rupert Murdoch and his controlling of the articles to be published in TIME.
But that's okay.
I can see you'll keep trying to disuade any points I make and believe that there isn't a strong Israel lobby in Washington.
ie - Ariel Sharon
Go back to lalaland in basketville.
Why do you see the need to lie to make a point? Wolfowitz is not Israeli. He spent a year there as a kid because his father had a job there and his sister moved there. Wolfowitz has never wanted to leave the US and take up citizenship anywhere else. You didn't mention that he is so pro-Israeli that he is going out with an Arab Feminist. Maybe you should actually do some research instead of parroting stormfront's made up garbage.Cobster said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz
So your only recourse outside of lying is to change the topic. I'm not surprised.Like I said, a lot of benefit (both financial and non) are given to Israel via the U.S.
I just think you're intentionally being dishonest about the whole situation.
Keep doing that.
btw, you never made mention of antiwar (the site) and why America is constantly funding such a powerful country as Israel.
Nor the mention of the British member of Government and his statement.
Nor Rupert Murdoch and his controlling of the articles to be published in TIME.
But that's okay.
I can see you'll keep trying to disuade any points I make and believe that there isn't a strong Israel lobby in Washington.
ie - Ariel Sharon
Go back to lalaland in basketville.
I did mention the anti-war blog. I did not feel the need to comment on some psyco Brit official. I am also not surprised that you don't even attempt to justify your choice of white supremicist sources.
It is obvious that you have nothing to back up your claims except your preconceptions since you have decided to abandon your point. You did say that Israel controls the US and Israelis hold the power positions in and around the American government but now it is how some specific policies seem to favour Israel.
You also realize that Shaha Riza is a pro-democracy feminist that is outspoken about that region.
Kinda like the democracy going on in Iraq right now - working quite well I might add. (in the green zone of course)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BOY20051217&articleId=1493
So a Brit official where the current British administration is buddy buddy with the US is as you put it "psyco"? Good one.
As for Israeli's owning the US government, direct quote of mine please.
Fine, you don't like stormfront, how about slate.com?
http://www.slate.com/id/2084881/
3 guys helping run the Iraqi show.
ffsakes. lol
You're quite a riot.
Is slate an anti-semitic site?
Or is it just coincidence that Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and Bill Kristol, just happen to be of Jewish faith?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Kristol
Wolfowitz you already brought up the link and hopefully you've read it.
"The question of the moment is not "When will the MET-Alpha team find Iraq's weapons of mass destruction?" (we've all long ago exhaled on that one), but rather "When will the neo-imperialist intellectuals go into hiding?" George W. Bush may be mildly vexed over the failure thus far to unearth vats of VX and anthrax. But Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, William Kristol, and the other strategic brains behind the operation should be absolutely mortified over the past few weeks of Iraq's unraveling and America's postwar failure to secure and consolidate its dazzling military victory."
The end.
Have fun in basketville, basketcase.
Kinda like the democracy going on in Iraq right now - working quite well I might add. (in the green zone of course)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BOY20051217&articleId=1493
So a Brit official where the current British administration is buddy buddy with the US is as you put it "psyco"? Good one.
As for Israeli's owning the US government, direct quote of mine please.
Fine, you don't like stormfront, how about slate.com?
http://www.slate.com/id/2084881/
3 guys helping run the Iraqi show.
ffsakes. lol
You're quite a riot.
Is slate an anti-semitic site?
Or is it just coincidence that Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and Bill Kristol, just happen to be of Jewish faith?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Kristol
Wolfowitz you already brought up the link and hopefully you've read it.
"The question of the moment is not "When will the MET-Alpha team find Iraq's weapons of mass destruction?" (we've all long ago exhaled on that one), but rather "When will the neo-imperialist intellectuals go into hiding?" George W. Bush may be mildly vexed over the failure thus far to unearth vats of VX and anthrax. But Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, William Kristol, and the other strategic brains behind the operation should be absolutely mortified over the past few weeks of Iraq's unraveling and America's postwar failure to secure and consolidate its dazzling military victory."
The end.
Have fun in basketville, basketcase.
Slate doesn't seem anti-semitic; their article doesn't say that Wolfowitz power stems from some sort of Jewish cabal. In fact it doesn't even say that he is Jewish or pro-Israel. In the article, he also mentions Bush, Rumsfeld, Ferguson, and Boot who are not (seemingly) Jewish. Is that a coincidence too? Then again, the writer of the article seems to be Jewish as well. Maybe he's part of the conspiracy.Cobster said:
I have asked a couple of times (with no reply) why you like used stormfront as a source, one that you still seem to think is making a valid point. I guess that's where your sympathies lie.
Reading the below, I really wonder where I got that from.Cobster said:
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I never directly said, Israel owns the US now did I?
I was simply stating, there seems to be a sort of hypocrisy about the US in regards to Israel and the ME - in relation to their foreign policies in the region.
Oh incidentally, I was talking to a friend of mine from York U (from my study group, showed him this thread).
Of course the earlier site you showed haaretz, is pretty Zionist according to him.
Almost got away with it, but not quite.
Again, is slate.com a bad site?
You don't find that those 3 guys, Wolfowitz, Perl, Kristol and their behind the scenes brain storming suspect?
You're just turning a blind eye, like I said, that's fine.
It's expected, no big surprise.
I was simply stating, there seems to be a sort of hypocrisy about the US in regards to Israel and the ME - in relation to their foreign policies in the region.
Oh incidentally, I was talking to a friend of mine from York U (from my study group, showed him this thread).
Of course the earlier site you showed haaretz, is pretty Zionist according to him.
Almost got away with it, but not quite.
Again, is slate.com a bad site?
You don't find that those 3 guys, Wolfowitz, Perl, Kristol and their behind the scenes brain storming suspect?
You're just turning a blind eye, like I said, that's fine.
It's expected, no big surprise.
Unless this was photoshopped...?basketcase said:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/04/17/media/story.jpg
a different angle
http://membres.lycos.fr/wotraceafg/terr_occ.jpg
There goes your theory...adios amigo, you're a bag of hypocritical thinking, just like the US.
You really seem to be a moron cob. I have no idea what your last post is supposed to prove. Yes, he supports Israel. The article at slate just realized as all rational people do that a person's political view is independent of their religion and therefore didn't mention it.
You just go on believeing the racist crap you read on stormfront.
You just go on believeing the racist crap you read on stormfront.
...and you on HAARETZ.
btw, the stormfront article was simply something I had grabbed to show the correlation with those 3 stooges behind the Iraq policies after 9/11. .
So I grabbed slate.com to show it from another site that isn't extreme.
But you keep on picking out and leaving out parts you don't like.
ie - British diplomat is a "psyco" - yet his administration, as I said earlier is buddy-buddy with Bush's.
"In fact it doesn't even say that he is Jewish or pro-Israel."
That pic sure shot that statement, didn't it.
For Wolfowitz to stand in front of a sign like that, people will draw their own conclusions.
A website, a newspaper or any other medium doesn't have to utter a word.
A picture is worth how much again...?
Ciao Ciao.
btw, the stormfront article was simply something I had grabbed to show the correlation with those 3 stooges behind the Iraq policies after 9/11. .
So I grabbed slate.com to show it from another site that isn't extreme.
But you keep on picking out and leaving out parts you don't like.
ie - British diplomat is a "psyco" - yet his administration, as I said earlier is buddy-buddy with Bush's.
"In fact it doesn't even say that he is Jewish or pro-Israel."
That pic sure shot that statement, didn't it.
For Wolfowitz to stand in front of a sign like that, people will draw their own conclusions.
A website, a newspaper or any other medium doesn't have to utter a word.
A picture is worth how much again...?
Ciao Ciao.
What kind of white trash equates ha'eretz (which commonly posts opinion pieces from Palestinans who object to Israel's policies) to a website run exclusively to promote hate which you have yet to criticise. You are really a piece of work man.
If you had half a brain, you would see that the article from slate understands that people are individuals, not part of some kind of conspiracy. The article doesn't mention religion, not because he doesn't have one and it doesn't mention his stance on Israel, not because he doesn't have one. Quite simply, the article sees individuals as individuals and gives their criticism to individuals because to blame it on some kind of religously unified movment is racist.
As for your Brit friend, his government supports the US but he, like Wolfowitz, is an individual with individual opionions, no matter how predjudiced his opinions are.
If you had half a brain, you would see that the article from slate understands that people are individuals, not part of some kind of conspiracy. The article doesn't mention religion, not because he doesn't have one and it doesn't mention his stance on Israel, not because he doesn't have one. Quite simply, the article sees individuals as individuals and gives their criticism to individuals because to blame it on some kind of religously unified movment is racist.
As for your Brit friend, his government supports the US but he, like Wolfowitz, is an individual with individual opionions, no matter how predjudiced his opinions are.
