Will Bush Bomb Iran

Will Bush Bomb Iran

  • probably Yes - that's the plan and they intend to execute

    Votes: 99 53.8%
  • Probably No - the plan is a negotiating tactic

    Votes: 85 46.2%

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WoodPeckr

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Thank Reagan for keeping the US addicted to oil

Aardvark154 said:
It should have been done years ago, but "the writing is ever increasingly on the wall" that developed countries simply must either as regional blocks or collectively start in investing Manhattan Project type effort and resources into developing replacements for petroleum (such as automobile fuel cells) and safer nuclear power generating stations.

Iran wouldn't have the power it does and the world financial markets wouldn't be concerned as they are if we were not dependant on Middle Eastern Crude Oil.
President Carter said the same thing over 30 years ago!
Carter started his Project Independence back then to make the USA energy independent. Scientists back then totally backed Carter and said it was very possible.
Then Reagan became POTUS and at the behest of BIG OIL and other energy interests killed every one of Carter's Project Independence programs!
There you have it, Republican myopia and catering to Corporate GREED of their special interests has put the USA in the position it is in right now, more dependent on offshore oil than ever!.......:mad:
 

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China shifts to euros for Iran oil

Saddam did it and now Iran is doing the same. Here's just another reason Dubya will have to take out Iran, to remove the Iranian Oil Bourse. Now Red China is buying Iranian oil with Euros instead of US Dollars.
It's not just about Oil, it's about Iran threatening the US Dollar to!


China shifts to euros for Iran oil

By Chen Aizhu 27-Mar-07 06:47 BST

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's state-run Zhuhai Zhenrong Corp, the biggest buyer of Iranian crude worldwide, began paying for its oil in euros late last year as Tehran moves to diversify its foreign reserves away from U.S. dollars.


The Chinese firm, which buys more than a tenth of exports from the world's fourth-largest crude producer, has changed the payment currency for the bulk of its roughly 240,000 barrels per day (bpd) contract, Beijing-based sources said.

Japanese refiners who buy about 500,000 bpd of Iranian crude, nearly a quarter of Iran's 2.2 million-bpd shipments, continue to pay in dollars but are willing to shift to yen if asked, industry sources and officials said separately.

Iranian officials have said for months that more than half the OPEC member's customers switched their payment currency away from the dollar as Tehran seeks to diversify its reserves, but news of the Zhenrong change is the first outside confirmation.

The price of the oil is still based on dollar quotes.

The shift, being watched closely by foreign exchange traders, comes amid an extended row between Tehran and Washington over Iran's nuclear programme.

China, which depends on Iran for about 12 percent of its imported crude oil, has at times used the threat of its United Nations veto to blunt Western measures.

The UN imposed new sanctions on Iran on Saturday as Tehran refused to halt its nuclear programme, targeting arms exports and 28 Iranian individuals and entities.

Iran's central banker told Reuters earlier on Tuesday that Tehran had cut its holding of U.S.-dollar assets to a minimum level of around a fifth of its foreign reserves in response to U.S. hostility, still enough to handle major shocks.

CHINA SWITCHES EARLY

"Most of China's purchases have shifted to euro. It's not difficult so long as our banks can handle that," said a Chinese state oil trader.

Hojjatollah Ghanimifard, head of international affairs at the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC), told Reuters last week that around 60 percent of its oil income was in non-dollar currencies as almost all of Iran's European clients and some of its Asian customers had agreed to make non-dollar payments.

Iran is China's third-largest crude supplier with daily volume of 335,000 barrels last year. Sinopec Corp. <0386.HK>, Asia's top refiner but a minor lifter of Iranian oil, is still paying in U.S. dollars, said a Sinopec trader.

Japanese buyers, including top refiner Nippon Oil Corp. <5001.T>, said they had all received inquiries from Iran to pay on non-U.S. dollar terms, but were awaiting an official request.

"We are looking at it so that we can switch the currencies any time, but we have not gotten any official requests from them (NIOC). We are doing the transactions in dollars (now)," Nippon Oil chairman Fukuaki Watari told reporters last week.

Sources with other majors refiners concurred.

Iran ranks as Japan's third-largest crude supplier so far this year with daily rate of just under 500,000 bpd.

Tokyo has cautioned world powers against including oil in sanctions they may impose on Iran for its refusal to suspend atomic work, which the U.S. says is aimed at developing a nuclear weapon, but Tehran insists is for generating electricity.

Iran's major European customers include Royal Dutch Shell , France's Total and Spain's Repsol . The United States has banned imports of Iranian crude since 1995.
 

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Ah sweet but inept woody. Don't see that if the dollar crashes you will stop getting food stamps?
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Saddam did it and now Iran is doing the same. Here's just another reason Dubya will have to take out Iran, to remove the Iranian Oil Bourse. Now Red China is buying Iranian oil with Euros instead of US Dollars.
It's not just about Oil, it's about Iran threatening the US Dollar to!
The Iranians want their customers to use Euros because the economic/financial restrictions the U.S. has imposed on them (for entirely legitimate reasons) including dollar based bank accounts in Europe, are begining to really crimp the regime's style.
 

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Aardvark154 said:
It should have been done years ago, but "the writing is ever increasingly on the wall" that developed countries simply must either as regional blocks or collectively start in investing Manhattan Project type effort and resources into developing replacements for petroleum (such as automobile fuel cells) and safer nuclear power generating stations.

Iran wouldn't have the power it does and the world financial markets wouldn't be concerned as they are if we were not dependant on Middle Eastern Crude Oil.
The EU initiated exactly that a few weeks ago. One can hope that they will follow through.
 

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bbking said:
a) a little like sticks and stones vs. a 45cal. gun
I wish you are right, but I would bet on the Iranians being able to shut down supertanker traffic through the Strait of Hormuz.


bbking said:
b) Pakistan are not Arabs and have little or no influence there - more like the other way around. Remember Sunni's hate Shias more than they hate the West.
Pakistan is islamist. You are right, sunnis don't get along with Shias too well. But there are times when the two factions will unite in fighting an enemy. I recall that Osama Bin Laded is Sunni, financed by saudis. Also, the saudis have been supporting the palistinians.
 

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Aardvark154 said:
The Iranians want their customers to use Euros because the economic/financial restrictions the U.S. has imposed on them (for entirely legitimate reasons) including dollar based bank accounts in Europe, are begining to really crimp the regime's style.
Not really. It's probably more like the Iranians, like Saddam and Hugo Chavez take a special delight in thumbing their noses at the monopoly status the USD has by trading oil for euros instead of USD. Red China going along with Iran here, only worries US bankers, who worry that even more nations may join them.
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Not really. It's probably more like the Iranians, like Saddam and Hugo Chavez take a special delight in thumbing their noses at the monopoly status the USD has by trading oil for euros instead of USD. Red China going along with Iran here, only worries US bankers, who worry that even more nations may join them.
Is there not a much simpler explanation?

If you were selling a commodity on a long term contract,
and you expected the $US to fall against other currencies,
I bet you would want to have the contract in another currency or gold.
 

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Should we rename this thread, will Blair bomb Iran....

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...it absolutely amazes me that having witnessed the bloddy mess that is Iraq and ever increasing problem that Afghanistan is becoming. That some would be stupid enough to urge an attack on Iran. Are you really that stupid or just foolish ?
The Iranians will use their subs to lay mines to close the straights.
The Shia in Southern Iraq will break out into revolt and probably be joined by hundreds of thousands of Iranian soldiers. Think Korean war, with Iran playing the Chinese part.The Military action in Iraq is a total disaster and 4 years after the fact the US still does not even control the Capital Baghdad !
Amazingly some of you dont even get that signifigance, this maybe the most inept attempt ever of controlling or opressing a country.
Yet some of you dummies actually think by escalating the war some good will come of it.
Not sure where all the troops are gonna come from, since a President at a
35 % approval really is not gonna exactkly be able to sell the draft.
As big a hole as Bush has dug for the US, it aint nothing compared to what it will be if they launch an attack on Iran.
 
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Maybe the Brits capture is the 'Gulf of Tonkin' incident/provocation Dubya has been awaiting........
 

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Aardvark154 said:
The Iranians want their customers to use Euros because the economic/financial restrictions the U.S. has imposed on them (for entirely legitimate reasons) including dollar based bank accounts in Europe, are begining to really crimp the regime's style.

They want to use Euros so the US has less power in international markets. If the US dollar was no longer the currency of choice, the US economy would be in for a big decline. Their inflation will go through the roof.


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bbking said:
...if they kill the hostages Britian will do a U turn. As it stands right now public opinion in Britian is shifting to a more militant position, something Blair and his party are trying to down play.



bbk
Persia invented chess, it shows, and are doing a remarkably better job of, as Dubya said, 'catapulting the propaganda', than Team 'w'!
No need for Iran to kill anyone. It's reported England is ready, quietly, to free some captured Iranians, in exchange for the 15 hostages.
It will be interesting to see how those soldiers who made 'confessions' will be treated by the UK when they return. I mean they confessed for the most part straight away after being captured.
Bad Form Indeed according to resident 'England Rules' Brit Laddie!
But then again Laddie has been strangely AWOL of late.....you don't think, just maybe, Laddie was one of those captured Brits do you!??!!?.....:eek:
 

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WoodPeckr said:
But then again Laddie has been strangely AWOL of late.....you don't think, just maybe, Laddie was one of those captured Brits do you!??!!?.
The belligerent wingers here, taking a cue from Cheney and GWB, are not likely to show up in combat zones. :p
 

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Chess vs Poker

Looks like those Chess playing Persians just scored a major 'propaganda coup' over those Poker playing rodents of Rove.
It's amusing to watch these two propaganda mills playing position here.
At the moment Iran comes out smelling like roses while Team 'w' comes out smelling like Texas long horn bull manure......;)

No doubt Rove will have to scurry off to the 'Plan B' option/concoction to be used as pretext for the upcoming attacks on Iran....
 

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Priceless: Mamoud requests that Blair refrains from punishing the
british soldiers because they told the truth about entering iranian waters.
 

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danmand said:
Priceless: Mamoud requests that Blair refrains from punishing the
british soldiers because they told the truth about entering iranian waters.
LOL!!!
I'm sure Laddie will take heart at that, eh.....:D
 

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alienencounters said:
The Iranians better wait until all the detainees make a public statement before they go sucking each others dicks in celebration.
All they have to say is "We made those statements under duress......." and so ends the propaganda coup.
Hey no doubt Rove's rodents are madly scurrying about at this very moment writing the script for just such a future skit.......:D
 

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alienencounters said:
The Iranians better wait until all the detainees make a public statement before they go sucking each others dicks in celebration.
All they have to say is "We made those statements under duress......." and so ends the propaganda coup.
Not at all, that will just prove that they are being forced to say that by the Royal Navy. LOL

What is more amazing, is that the british (and the US) made a deal
to exchange the iranian detainees with the british detainees.
 
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