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Will spas enforce the vaccine passport?

chaychay

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Where does it say anywhere that spas will be required to enforce vaccine passports?
It does not say anywhere.

From Flirt Spa: "Currently we fall under “personal services” and do not require full vaccination."
 

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Which is absolutely stupid, if true. Way to go, Dougie, you’re doing a helluva job.

so.. will there be any spas that will enforce it, even if they’re not obligated to?
I doubt it, why would they hamper their own business if they don't have to? Also the amount of heat from anti-vaxxers for voluntarily doing so will probably discourage them. Maybe some of the more by-the-books spas like Allure or Flirt might, but I sure as hell don't think Seduction or Premier would.

Most likely speculation. Spas have fallen under personal care services the entire pandemic and unless that has changed, they're currently exempt from vaccine passports.
TBH I think the govt likes to just pretend they don't exist, at least in any public statements, and the spas decided on their own to act like personal care. And why not? I know I always receive *very* personal care from them.

For those wondering why they wouldn't make spas do this, all the places requiring the vaccine passport involve crowds. One on one settings are safer so aren't included yet. This may change but for now I think they they don't want to go to far with this yet.
 

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I doubt it, why would they hamper their own business if they don't have to? Also the amount of heat from anti-vaxxers for voluntarily doing so will probably discourage them. Maybe some of the more by-the-books spas like Allure or Flirt might, but I sure as hell don't think Seduction or Premier would.


TBH I think the govt likes to just pretend they don't exist, at least in any public statements, and the spas decided on their own to act like personal care. And why not? I know I always receive *very* personal care from them.

For those wondering why they wouldn't make spas do this, all the places requiring the vaccine passport involve crowds. One on one settings are safer so aren't included yet. This may change but for now I think they they don't want to go to far with this yet.
It would hamper their business in some ways, but encourage it in others. I want the risk to be as low as possible before I decide to jump back in. I want the girl I’m going to see vaccinated. I want anyone she might have seen before me to be vaccinated, too.

it doesn’t eliminate the risk, but given vaccinated people are like 5x less likely to get the virus in the first place, it’s still quite significant.
 
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That applies to all businesses, not just MPs. The chefs making your food at restaurants don't have to be vaccinated nor do the workers at Wendy's or Loblaws or Woodbine Casino for example.
 
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Vaccines work extremely well at preventing severe illness and hospitalization, as well as reducing transmission. Transmission is even further reduced among fully vaccinated individuals, hence the vaccine passports.

Can you post links to these actual studies ? They must be a remarkable read .
 

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Can you post links to these actual studies ? They must be a remarkable read .

You can find the data there. It's not that riveting, but whatever floats your boat.

For a real world example though, you can just use Ontario's situation right now. 70% of Ontario is fully vaxxed, but 75-80% of our new cases are comprised of individuals who aren't fully vaxxed.
 

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For a real world example though, you can just use Ontario's situation right now. 70% of Ontario is fully vaxxed, but 75-80% of our new cases are comprised of individuals who aren't fully vaxxed.
To get a better picture, they shouldn't combine people vaccinated with 1 dose and those not yet vaccinated into one "unvaccinated" group.
Who's to say the 75-80% of new cases they claim is not from people with 1 dose of a vaccine?
The split between vaccinated with 2 doses, vaccinated with 1 dose, and unvaccinated would be more helpful.
 

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That applies to all businesses, not just MPs. The chefs making your food at restaurants don't have to be vaccinated nor do the workers at Wendy's or Loblaws or Woodbine Casino for example.
Exactly, yet drive-thrus are so busy.
Still haven't seen anyone drop on a sidewalk yet either.
 
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Bodyrub is a moral grey zone to many, I think in the end most spas will voluntarily implement the passport just to make the least amount of waves.
 

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To get a better picture, they shouldn't combine people vaccinated with 1 dose and those not yet vaccinated into one "unvaccinated" group.
Who's to say the 75-80% of new cases they claim is not from people with 1 dose of a vaccine?
The split between vaccinated with 2 doses, vaccinated with 1 dose, and unvaccinated would be more helpful.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/ptvm0f
 
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This is the irony for all the businesses We have to be vaccinated but the staff do not. Makes perfect sense. And you can ask for their proof but you're going into their business > So they can pretty much tell you to fuck off.
Their bankers might be pretty unhappy with that kind of attitude. If the bankers don't care about the attitude, they care very much about cheque at the end of the month.
 

Dcoat

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That applies to all businesses, not just MPs. The chefs making your food at restaurants don't have to be vaccinated nor do the workers at Wendy's or Loblaws or Woodbine Casino for example.
Wy would they have to be?

At the early stages of the virus, it was thought that transmission happened as the virus survived on top of items (never was there any concern about it surviving on food, especially cooked or hot food).

We now know there is zero infectious transmission from the virus when it gets on your hands or even into your mouth in ways other than through the smallest droplets being inhaled into your lungs. Anything else is simply fear mongering.
 

Dcoat

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This.

It's the anti-vaxx crowd that likes to change the goalposts. No one involved with the development of the vaccines ever said that people who are vaccinated couldn't get Covid; no one involved with the development of the vaccine ever said people who were vaccinated could't transmit Covid. No government of health agency ever promised any such thing. It's the anti-vaxx crowd now who have ignored that and made up their own rules - "the vaxx is uselss because you can be vaccinated and still get it or transmit it." Not the point.

The promise was that those who are fully vaccinated will be very unlikely to develop a serious case of Covid and end up in hospital or dead. The statistics back that up 100%.

Most of those who are vaccinated wear masks, social distance in places with large numbers of people and support vaccine passports not out of fear for ourselves but because we fully understand what the vaccines do and don't do and we don't want to infect the unvaccinated, if only because we don't want to contribute to the plugging up of our hospitals by Covid patients (who likely wouldn't be in the hospital at all if they had only been vaccinated) which potentially affects everyone.

Basically 80% of the population are being held hostage by the other 20%.
All correct, almost.

Your description of what the vaccine does and doesn't do is my understanding as well.

Where we differe is how describe the need for masking. It assumes that the 20% of unvaxinated are going to become ill, extremely ill. You forget that the majority of illness is those who lived in old age homes. They are now almost fully vaxxed. The next highest group, together adding up to well over 70% of all cases, were those over 65 with other underlying conditions. Most of them have also been vaxxed.

The remaining cases of younger adults made up 25% of the balance of cases and also had underlying conditions.

So wearing a mask is not very effective when the potential infection rate is low to begin with and the potential for being infected depends on your underlying conditions and age. Those under 18 were always highly virus resistant.

I think maskers are virtue signalers, not health warriors. Do it if you want, just don't think it's effective or make anyone else wear them, they're harmful in many ways.
 
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Also, A) it's not currently mandated to have the vaccine in order to obtain a body rub license and
B) spa attendants/ MPA are not employees as we do not receive pay or compensation from the spa businesses. Technically MPA are self employed independent contractors, and therefore not subject to covid rules affecting "employees".
In this pandemic which is increasingly pathological with the delta variant and increasingly political, we should not expect the government to pay toomuch attention to enforcing vaccine passports usage in the sex trade. Public Health struggled with even acknowledging and working with the sex trade pre-pandemic, is currently overwhelmed and is not likely to enforce actions on the hundreds of brothels across the GTA where guys boink working ladies by trailing them with QR vaccine passports.
 
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