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Will you take the COVID-19 vaccine?

Will you take the COVID-19 vaccine?

  • Yes, as soon as possible

    Votes: 220 57.7%
  • Yes, but I do not want to be among the first to take it.

    Votes: 68 17.8%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 17 4.5%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 21 5.5%
  • Absolutely not

    Votes: 50 13.1%
  • I do not care if I do or don't

    Votes: 5 1.3%

  • Total voters
    381
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PeteOsborne

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How many people do you think take c-m seriously in Canada?? I'll bet very few.
And if/when they do take his posts seriously then its their own choice, and they will have to face their own consequences if they get Covid and get sick.

Censorship like you're proposing is a slippery slope to go down on.
Whats next, do you think we should ban alternative medicine too because that might also be "dangerous"?? No thanks!!
I was cured of IBS by my naturopath with natural medicine.
This was after my regular doctor and gastroenterologist said there was nothing they could do for me.

Censorship can fuck off, and free speech should rule
I like CM's posts, they give me a good laugh and we all need good laughs now and again.
They are usually the easiest to prove wrong because they include in the article the opposite of his heading, which in my view makes them even funnier.
But who in their right mind would believe anyone turned into an alien after taking the vaccine.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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So you feel that our hate speech laws should be repealed?
I dont really wanna derail the thread, but I've always felt hate-speech laws are kinda stupid.

The USA and Netherlands have the right laws IMO. You can hate on people all you want through free speech, but if you follow it up with actions (or you entice other people to follow it up with actions), you are then guilty of a crime (usually that means assault, murder, attempted murder.....etc).

Also its smarter to give scum groups like Nazi's or KKK a platform, because then LE can identify those hate groups and keep an eye on them through surveillance in case they plan acts of terrorism. Hate speech laws tend to push these groups underground, and thats even worse because they are then much harder to keep track off.

Just my $ 0.02
 

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Children as young as 6 months old now in COVID-19 vaccine trials - ABC News (go.com)


Children as young as 6 months old now in COVID-19 vaccine trials
The next stage of trials will involve placebo and treatment groups.
ByJason Kuang,Imtiyaz Delawala, andAllie Yang
27 April 2021, 18:46
• 10 min read


This is from ABC news a mainstream media outlet

other mainstream media are reporting on them

Moderna Children’s COVID-19 Vaccine Trials to Begin as Adult Vaccination Rates Fall – NBC Connecticut
 

shack

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The USA and Netherlands have the right laws IMO. You can hate on people all you want through free speech, but if you follow it up with actions
So after people have been hurt. Even when there have been clear signals that the hate speechers wish to do them harm.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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So after people have been hurt. Even when there have been clear signals that the hate speechers wish to do them harm
Thats the price you pay for having true freedom of speech.
Besides, if a hate-speecher wants to physical harm, he/she will find a way to do it eventually.

The longest sentence in Canada for hate speech is 12 months: https://globalnews.ca/news/5810045/jail-promoting-hate-strong-message/
(which means he'll only serve 8 to 9 months on good behaviour).

What makes you think James Sears can't pick up a weapon and go on a shooting massacre after he gets out prison??
 
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shack

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Thats the price you pay for having true freedom of speech.
Besides, if a hate-speecher wants to physical harm, he/she will find a way to do it eventually.
Sort of like uttering threats. That is illegal.

You didn't answer if you felt that hate speech laws should be repealed.
 

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Remember what I said about a slippery slope?? Here's the next step in censorship of free speech:

Just exercising my right of free speech so here is a thought - why don't you and Shack start a separate thread on free speech and stop hijacking this thread?
 
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Children as young as 6 months old now in COVID-19 vaccine trials - ABC News (go.com)


Children as young as 6 months old now in COVID-19 vaccine trials
The next stage of trials will involve placebo and treatment groups.
ByJason Kuang,Imtiyaz Delawala, andAllie Yang
27 April 2021, 18:46
• 10 min read


This is from ABC news a mainstream media outlet

other mainstream media are reporting on them

Moderna Children’s COVID-19 Vaccine Trials to Begin as Adult Vaccination Rates Fall – NBC Connecticut
Thank you for posting this it shows that I was clearly in error of the wording of my previous post in which I stated" Nope, there are no vaccine trials for children under 5, everything in this story is false."
I should have worded it this way " Nope, there were no vaccine trials for children under 5 at that time, everything in this story is false.
As referenced by the articles you posted Moderna has not yet started their studies and Pfizer did not start their trials until around April 7th when the first shots in those under 5 were administered.
https://www.kron4.com/health/corona...trial-began-at-stanford-for-2-to-5-year-olds/
The VAERS data you posted stated the date as Mar. 5th, 2021. no vaccines were being given to that age group at that time.
You may want to read this, titled "Understanding the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)"
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/patient-ed/conversations/downloads/vacsafe-vaers-color-office.pdf
2 major points to the VAERS system.
● Reports of adverse events (possible side effects) after vaccination do not mean that the reported problem was caused by a vaccine. Reports are signals that alert scientists of possible cause-andeffect relationships that need to be investigated. ● Anyone can submit a report to VAERS including health care professionals, vaccine manufacturers, vaccine recipients, and parents or family members of people who have received a vaccine
Also clinical trial information is monitored closely by the company that is conducting them and is reported internally.
One other article about VAERS and how it is being misused and exploited by anti vaxxers.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/s...to-make-false-claims-about-covid-19-vaccines/
"...over and over websites and social media posts improperly cite unverified raw data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, an alert system managed by the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration to detect possible safety issues in vaccines, as evidence that the approved COVID-19 vaccines cause deaths and serious events."
Again VAERS is raw data and is not an accurate count of deaths or side effects.
 

PeteOsborne

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Also its smarter to give scum groups like Nazi's or KKK a platform, because then LE can identify those hate groups and keep an eye on them through surveillance in case they plan acts of terrorism. Hate speech laws tend to push these groups underground, and thats even worse because they are then much harder to keep track off.

Just my $ 0.02
I think you undervalue this statement, this makes more sense than $ 0.02.
 
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Just exercising my right of free speech so here is a thought - why don't you and Shack start a separate thread on free speech and stop hijacking this thread?
You have another 80 pages in this thread to keep you occupied. Start with canada-man's studies.
 
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MSM All But Silent After Multiple People Paralyzed After Receiving Pfizer Shot

She received her first shot of the Pfizer vaccine last week at Rite Aid in Caste Village. Twelve hours later, Cecere said almost her entire body was paralyzed.


It was the scariest thing in the world to go to sleep completely fine and walking, to wake up 1:30 in the morning not able to move at all.”

Today comes the stunning and sickening report that multiple women, after receiving their first shot of the Pfizer COVID vaccine, are waking up paralyzed from the neck down, and remain in that condition, in some cases for days.


And even after regaining feeling and movement from neck to wait, one woman is still unable to walk weeks later. But don’t pay any attention to all that stuff, just turn your brain off and run right out and get your COVID jab today!

Go kid your grandma, I know better than that, and so do you!

“So they poured out for the men to eat. And it came to pass, as they were eating of the pottage, that they cried out, and said, O thou man of God, there is death in the pot. And they could not eat thereof.” 2 Kings 4:40 (KJB)

What was Pfizer’s reaction upon hearing this horrific news of what their shot did to this woman?

A near-immediate press release denying all responsibility completely devoid of even one ounce of compassion or concern for Rachael Cecere.

Her family said they have heard nothing from any representative on any level over at Pfizer. And why should they care? Our government has given them complete protection from lawsuits, letting you know that ‘herd immunity’ has already been achieved by Big Pharma.


All of them are now immune from lawsuits and prosecution.

Bethel Park Mother Left Paralyzed After Getting First Dose Of Pfizer Vaccine, Doctors Say Nervous System Played A Part
FROM WPXI 11 NEWS: There have been some negative side effects reported worldwide from the Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccines, but a Bethel Park woman told Channel 11 she has been affected by something that hadn’t been seen at all yet: paralysis.

Doctors at Allegheny General Hospital ran a bunch of tests but then Rachael Cecere, 33, from Bethel Park was moved to the Cleveland Clinic a few days ago. She spoke exclusively with Channel 11 from her hospital bed at the clinic. She received her first shot of the Pfizer vaccine last week at Rite Aid in Caste Village. Twelve hours later, Cecere said almost her entire body was paralyzed.

“It was the scariest thing in the world to go to sleep completely fine (and walking), to wake up 1:30 in the morning and not be able to move at all,” the woman said. “I’m literally counting on my daughter to hand me my phone to call to get help.”

Paramedics came and rushed her to Jefferson Hospital. In the coming days, she was moved to Allegheny General Hospital in the Northside and then the Cleveland Clinic — as doctors ran a multitude of tests to figure out how and why this happened. An MRI and spinal tap were clear, and her blood work all came back negative, ruling out any rare diseases or disorders.

“There is just nothing they can find wrong with me. No underlying conditions, I have nothing in my history and they are basically telling me, ‘You’re healthy and we can’t figure out why this is going on,’” the woman told Channel 11.

She has been able to regain most of the feeling and strength back to her arms, but her legs are still a point of concern for doctors.

“The Cleveland Clinic doctors believe the nervous system had a reaction to the shot which caused stress in my nervous system and caused the paralysis from my neck down,” Cecere explained. “Which is now just lingering in my hips, down.”

She has also been told that she is healthy, with no underlying conditions.

“So, they were able to rule out any inflammation in the spine. They were able to rule out this is not a Guillain Barre Syndrome that some people do get as a reaction to vaccines flu vaccines for example,” Cecere detailed.

Dr. Dave Weber, an infectious disease doctor with UPMC, said he has not heard of anything like this happening anywhere in the world with the Pfizer vaccine.

“I’m sure there is more than one explanation, and it would be premature for me to judge if it’s one of the side effects of the vaccine or not,” Weber said. “I think it definitely needs to be looked into and be reported.”

Pfizer’s director of global media relations issued the following statement regarding this woman’s mysterious paralysis:

“We take adverse events that are potentially associated with our COVID-19 vaccine, BNT162b2, very seriously. We closely monitor all such events and collect relevant information to share with global regulatory authorities. At this time, our ongoing review has not identified any safety signals with paralysis and the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine. To date, more than 2001 million people around the world have been vaccinated with our vaccine. It is important to note that serious adverse events that are unrelated to the vaccine are unfortunately likely to occur at a similar rate as they would in the general population.”

Cecere’s family stated that her case was reported to Pfizer, but that they haven’t been contacted by the company yet. – Continue reading

Multiple People Left Paralyzed After Receiving Pfizer Vaccine
There have been some negative side effects reported worldwide from the Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccines, but a Bethel Park woman told Channel 11 she has been affected by something that hadn’t been seen at all yet: paralysis.

 
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